Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

Drumpot

When you think about it on a very simple level, how the f**k is this even a debate? He was on TV for years saying he could only lose a democraticly run election if he is cheated. He never accepted the result. People close to him were concerned he wasn’t going to leave quietly or peacefully. And it’s actually hard to not qualify what happened as a coup attempt last week given what we know.

Seems like people can’t grasp the severity of what happened. It’s crazy. He’s not any shred of evidence and he’s causing riots. I suppose when you look at how America ignores its culture of systematic racism it shouldn’t surprise me. But I think what happened last week is far bigger and potentially far more damaging long term to USA then most have factored in.

Timberrrrrrrr

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Sure Hannity isn't a reporter though even his employer (Fox) admitted in court that he is an entertainer. Pity so many Americans take his shìt spitting seriously though.

He's about one step up from an online conspiracy theorist, and that's being generous to him.

everlast75

Jaded Walker wrote: »

It's awful.stuff but Pelosi doesn't help things either. She's the wrong person to have speaking out. The Dems really need somebody else leading Congress.

https://twitter.com/RepWillBailey/status/1348774981560369154?s=19

100% right

namloc1980

everlast75 wrote: »

We are probably due a caravan travelling up from the South soon too

Before the 2018 election the Republicans were screaming about the caravans - day after the election we heard no more until, funnily enough Trump actually mentioned the caravans in his speech last Wednesday:

But now the caravans, they think Biden’s getting in, the caravans are forming again. They want to come in again and rip off our country. Can’t let it happen.

tigger123

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rossgarber/status/1348980124696391680?s=19

How many (estimate) would be required from the Republican side to actually achieve impeachment?

Leroy42

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RepWillBailey/status/1348774981560369154?s=19

Ouch, that is some burn from Pelosi.

VinLieger

tigger123 wrote: »

How many (estimate) would be required from the Republican side to actually achieve impeachment?

They have the votes in the house to Impeach which is a simple majority, however it needs 2/3rds majority in the senate to convict.

astrofool

tigger123 wrote: »

How many (estimate) would be required from the Republican side to actually achieve impeachment?

16 isn't it? (66 total needed).

MeMen2_MoRi_

Apologies if this has been posted already I've been skipping past pages!

An op-ed from Fiona Hill, she was a witness in trump's first impeachment hearings.. She walks you through the steps that led to last Wednesday.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/01/11/capitol-riot-self-coup-trump-fiona-hill-457549

Penn

astrofool wrote: »

16 isn't it? (66 total needed).

And considering most GOP senators aren't arguing that Trump is innocent but rather that its pointless, will only cause further divide etc., making them have to actually vote on it will force them to either back Trump or dump him.

If they back him even though he's clearly guilty, its going to be used against them in every future argument or election campaign. If they vote against him, they risk losing the Trump die-hards in their constituencies.

Quin_Dub

Penn wrote: »

And considering most GOP senators aren't arguing that Trump is innocent but rather that its pointless, will only cause further divide etc., making them have to actually vote on it will force them to either back Trump or dump him.

If they back him even though he's clearly guilty, its going to be used against them in every future argument or election campaign. If they vote against him, they risk losing the Trump die-hards in their constituencies.

Yeah.. The GOP Senators are clearly lining up the "Now is not the time" and the "Sure isn't he leaving next week anyway" defences for not voting for impeachment.

They will say that censure is the better option blah blah blah.

Spineless Amoral Cowards one and all.

FreudianSlippers

Dempo1 wrote: »

No sure if posted previously but you've got to watch Morning Joe on MSNBC, not your typical us network show and it's fair to say it's presenters seething over what's happened, also fair to say there's history between the Shows hosts and trump. It's a riveting watch

https://youtu.be/AREpAuOXC60

They used to be friends, both Mika (his wife) and himself were really pally with Trump and they have a lot of bad blood now.

Penn

Sheldon Adelson, one of the GOP's largest donors, has died.

Overheal

Drumpot wrote: »

When you think about it on a very simple level, how the f**k is this even a debate? He was on TV for years saying he could only lose a democraticly run election if he is cheated. He never accepted the result. People close to him were concerned he wasn’t going to leave quietly or peacefully. And it’s actually hard to not qualify what happened as a coup attempt last week given what we know.

Seems like people can’t grasp the severity of what happened. It’s crazy. He’s not any shred of evidence and he’s causing riots. I suppose when you look at how America ignores its culture of systematic racism it shouldn’t surprise me. But I think what happened last week is far bigger and potentially far more damaging long term to USA then most have factored in.

This should rightfully launch Bill Maher into a bigger spotlight. He just has a talk show on HBO, but he has, the entire presidency, been predicting that Trump would never concede and would never go willingly and will have to be dragged out kicking and screaming. Just about every week for the past 2 years, "what happens if Trump doesn't leave?"

randd1

Overheal wrote: »

This should rightfully launch Bill Maher into a bigger spotlight. He just has a talk show on HBO, but he has, the entire presidency, been predicting that Trump would never concede and would never go willingly and will have to be dragged out kicking and screaming. Just about every week for the past 2 years, "what happens if Trump doesn't leave?"

Well, he was right wasn't he?

I like Maher I have to say, he doesn't pull his punches when he's going after repeated mistakes by republicans and regularly shows them up for the hypocrites they are, and he's not shy about having a go at the democrats for their crap either, and is likely have someone on the show from the right as from the left. Regularly has a pop at American excess too.

Billy Mays

Maher used to have a show on ABC years ago but they kicked him to the kerb after he said the 9/11 terrorists weren't cowards as they died for their cause

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Billy Mays wrote: »

Maher used to have a show on ABC years ago but they kicked him to the kerb after he said the 9/11 terrorists weren't cowards as they died for their cause

Wasn’t it that he said nobody who flies a plane into a building is a coward?

I get what he was getting at but at the time he said, it would have been very tone-deaf.

Overheal

Billy Mays wrote: »

Maher used to have a show on ABC years ago but they kicked him to the kerb after he said the 9/11 terrorists weren't cowards as they died for their cause

He's a very critical thinker, and I don't think anyone watches the show who isn't intellectually confronted by some of his views.

For that scandal I think he was right to point out that to them they were all heroes, died heroes, and were immortalized as recruitment tools. There were not enough voices in the GWB/early post-9/11 era that pushed back on this idea that 'terrorists hate us for our freedom' when it runs far deeper and off to the side than that. Maher didn't back down from using empathy as a tool to really think about why they did it.

Billy Mays

Yeah something along those lines

Think he also said America were bigger cowards cos they launch missiles from 500 miles away

Leroy42

Billy Mays wrote: »

Maher used to have a show on ABC years ago but they kicked him to the kerb after he said the 9/11 terrorists weren't cowards as they died for their cause

And therein lies the absolute insanity and hypocrisy of the current attempts to downplay the events of last week.

Americans were deeply unhappy with remarks such as Mahers after the 9/11 attacks, yet many republicans think that the defence that 'these people were fighting for what they believed in' in relation to MAGA supporters is somehow different.

Overheal

flazio wrote: »

If any Capitol employee, be they politicians or staff dies from Covid related illness in the next few weeks, it should be added to the 5 deaths so far from the storming.

Unfortunately there is deniability; Pelosi had asked another Democratic representative, who was in quarantine after testing positive, to come to the chamber for the electoral count procession. She was clear to travel but these whackadoodles will still bicker like hell about it.

https://twitter.com/RepGwenMoore/status/1345781291749404673?s=20

hotmail.com

So it turns out an impeachment won't stop Trump from running again nor will he lose his pension and other benefits.

So this is an unnecessary drama with just a few days left before he leaves.

Overheal

Billy Mays wrote: »

Yeah something along those lines

Think he also said America were bigger cowards cos they launch missiles from 500 miles away

Being too honest about it. from that perspective.



And honesty about THAT ^ is why Chelsea Manning is still in prison.

Overheal

hotmail.com wrote: »

So it turns out an impeachment won't stop Trump from running again nor will he lose his pension and other benefits.

So this is an unnecessary drama with just a few days left before he leaves.

Stop regurgitating incorrect tweets etc. you saw.

Impeachment, upon conviction, removes the defendant from office and lifetime bans them from doing so. Strip him of his post-presidential honors, his presidential library, office & staff, pension, and travel & security budget.

The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two-thirds of the Members present. Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States; but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

hotmail.com

hotmail.com wrote: »

So it turns out an impeachment won't stop Trump from running again nor will he lose his pension and other benefits.

So this is an unnecessary drama with just a few days left before he leaves.

Do you ever stop talking utter drivel?

hotmail.com

Overheal wrote: »

Stop regurgitating incorrect tweets etc. you saw.

Impeachment, upon conviction, removes the defendant from office and lifetime bans them from doing so. Strip him of his post-presidential honors, his presidential library, office & staff, pension, and travel & security budget.

The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two-thirds of the Members present. Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States; but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

Well the conviction seems highly unlikely.

Gregor Samsa

hotmail.com wrote: »

So it turns out an impeachment won't stop Trump from running again nor will he lose his pension and other benefits.

So this is an unnecessary drama with just a few days left before he leaves.

As explained before, Impeachment itself is just being sent forward for trial in the Senate. If the Senate then convict him, according to the Article I, Section 3, Clause 7 of the US Constitution:

Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

So he would be automatically removed from office AND bared from holding any further public office. The Constitution expressly states that these are the limits of the punishments of the Impeachment process, but it then says that it's further possible to the tried for the same actions in a court of Law, which may have other punishments (Prison, fines, etc).

Christy42

hotmail.com wrote: »

Well the conviction seems highly unlikely.

This reads like my point was wrong but I am going to stick with it anyway. Conviction may or may not happen. It will be a handy guide to see which Republicans are willing to accept a President inciting a nazi coup against his own government.

However it is on the Democrats to at least attempt to do the right thing which is to impeach him.

Overheal

Christy42 wrote: »

This reads like my point was wrong but I am going to stick with it anyway. Conviction may or may not happen. It will be a handy guide to see which Republicans are willing to accept a President inciting a nazi coup against his own government.

However it is on the Democrats to at least attempt to do the right thing which is to impeach him.

There are already 218 cosponsors on the bill - more than half the House has signed on, before the bill was published/introduced to the floor. Passage of articles of impeachment is guaranteed.

basillarkin

hotmail.com wrote: »

Well the conviction seems highly unlikely.

Correct, no way 16 GOP senators vote to impeach him. Will be lucky to get 8. Loads there for a criminal conviction after.