Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

briany

briany wrote: »

Trump couldn't pardon those people even if he cared about them and wanted to do it because he's spent the last week and a half trying to distance himself from the Capitol attack, so pardoning his foot soldiers would undo too much of that.

Yes, if he pardons them then he all but ensures that the senate finds against him. If he does not then there is a risk that the right wing groups turn against him

He must be raging inside

Cody montana

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

USA has far left loopers, and far right nutjobs.

Both are fcking deluded and live in their own version of reality.

And the far right nutters stormed the Capitol last week.

fash

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes, if he pardons them then he all but ensures that the senate finds against him. If he does not then there is a risk that the right wing groups turn against him

He must be raging inside

Nah, he really doesn't give a s**t about them - and aside from those people who are jailed, the millions of others will happily believe they are antifa plants who should be ignored.

Mitch Connor

Cody montana wrote: »

And the far right nutters stormed the Capitol last week.

and the far left ones are demanding medical insurance not bnkrupt people and that a fair wage be paid for work.

Two sides of the same coin!

briany

It will be 'interesting' to see what happens in the next few days because to all the Trump trolls, QAnon followers, soldiers of the culture wars and just dyed-in-the-wool Republicans, it must feel like it's all slipping from their grasp. This swamp monster composed of paranoia, narcissism, misinformation, and directionless anger, does it dip its head back below the waterline and nurse its wounds, or does it reel and try a second, more desperate attack? I guess we'll find out.

namloc1980

Mitch Connor wrote: »

and the far left ones are demanding medical insurance not bnkrupt people and that a fair wage be paid for work.

Two sides of the same coin!

I heard AOC was advocating for some paid maternity leave recently. Absolutely scandalous extremist stuff.

Harry Palmr

briany wrote: »

It will be 'interesting' to see what happens in the next few days because to all the Trump trolls, QAnon followers, soldiers of the culture wars and just dyed-in-the-wool Republicans, it must feel like it's all slipping from their grasp. This swamp monster composed of paranoia, narcissism, misinformation, and directionless anger, does it dip its head back below the waterline and nurse its wounds, or does it reel and try a second, more desperate attack? I guess we'll find out.

I'm wondering what Trump might do in his final few days, can he actually do anything? The military have already made their position known by not giving him the traditional official send off but could he make a grab for the wheel and provoke something that might have consequences.

jill_valentine

briany wrote: »

It will be 'interesting' to see what happens in the next few days because to all the Trump trolls, QAnon followers, soldiers of the culture wars and just dyed-in-the-wool Republicans, it must feel like it's all slipping from their grasp. This swamp monster composed of paranoia, narcissism, misinformation, and directionless anger, does it dip its head back below the waterline and nurse its wounds, or does it reel and try a second, more desperate attack? I guess we'll find out.

A lot of the full on Q loons talk about the sense of "community" they have with it, and there are some very sad statements from many about how they've been cut off or cut themselves off from everything else. I don't know that there is anywhere else for some of them to go. (Which reminds me I really do need to get When Prophecy Fails for once and for all)

Apologies for the atomically nerdy comparison, but it might find some ears here - it makes me think of the traitors in Warhammer 40k, after their leader is killed he's reframed as too weak and useless to have deserved his followers, unlike his second in command, now successor.

I think the overall coalition of the sh*tty will fracture a little around the edges, but the main body will cohere around somebody else. Somebody involved in this incarnation, but with his **** a bit more together.

They all seem to love Michael Flynn, wouldn't be shocked if they just start treating him as their new Trump and carry on mostly as before. Whether he'll get the same kid gloves Trump got early on is hard to say, his less tactless demeanour could make him far more palatable to bothsidesist press, but also less of a headline factory.

BorneTobyWilde

Cody montana wrote: »

And the far right nutters stormed the Capitol last week.

Mentally ill ones did, they are totally out there. All those clueless folk who walked in and walked out hardly should be thrown in jail. But those nutjobs, they need serious help, should be sectioned

rossie1977

No far left in the US. In fact pretty much non existent in western world full stop these days.

duploelabs

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Mentally ill ones did, they are totally out there. All those clueless folk who walked in and walked out hardly should be thrown in jail. But those nutjobs, they need serious help, should be sectioned

There were coordinated terrorists in with those other folk you mislabled

Lucifer

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Murder, looting, and arson, bail them out!!!!


To a broken window in the capitol building. JAIL THEM FOR LIFE

What is your take on this?

https://twitter.com/CuomoPrimeTime/status/1350269931930218496?s=20

BorneTobyWilde

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Mentally ill ones did, they are totally out there. All those clueless folk who walked in and walked out hardly should be thrown in jail. But those nutjobs, they need serious help, should be sectioned

Well, the FBI had a lot of those people on their radar already. It's almost as if we've previously been warned that far right domestic terror was the greatest threat to the US.... Pronouncing them mentally ill doesn't change the fact that the audience Trump played to are an active danger and he's actively avoided any pursuit of them. Multiple links detailing the issue below. The left simply don't pose a substantial threat, that's the reality.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/27/us-far-right-violence-terrorist-threat-analysis

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-08-05/trump-officials-have-redirected-resources-from-countering-far-right-racism-fueled-domestic-terrorism

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/united-states/2020-12-15/when-far-right-penetrates-law-enforcement

everlast75

https://twitter.com/jonathanvswan/status/1350247097942089731?s=19

Unbelievable

rossie1977

rossie1977 wrote: »

In fact pretty much non existent in western world full stop these days.

That's because most western world countries have some or all of the following: socialised healthcare, social welfare, social housing, progressive taxation, worker's rights, minimum wage, unions, etc.

The non communist left achieved most of their objectives in the 20th century.

ohnonotgmail

everlast75

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I also like the other name he was given online...

Qbacca

jill_valentine

https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1350517778407706628

MeMen2_MoRi_

Crosses fingers it's her..

https://twitter.com/NVTaraStrong/status/1350301375159169026?s=19

Her political career over before it starts.

Tony EH

threeball wrote: »

That was Dick Cheneys war. He pushed hard for the invasion knowing the benefits to his previous employer and donors. Bush was indebted to him for coming on the ticket in the first place and so went along with it. Without Cheney the Iraq invasion never happens.

It's a Neo Con war for sure, but that doesn't let anyone off the hook. The Iraq war was on the shelf waiting to happen, and 9/11 gave the "Nutsies" the excuse they needed. All they had to do was engineer a propaganda campaign lie to get the public onside, which they never managed to do, it must be said.

They didn't care about that in the end and launched their oil war anyway, resulting in an untold 100's thousands of dead and chaos within and without the region for years to come.

Not only are the responsible for that, they led world into the worse financial disaster it had seen since 1929.

I know that people hate Trump and quite rightly so. But that shouldn't make folk take their eye off of what happened under G. Bush's time in office, which had far worse consequences and for a far longer time.

duploelabs

Tony EH wrote: »

It's a Neo Con war for sure, but that doesn't let anyone off the hook. The Iraq war was on the shelf waiting to happen, and 9/11 gave the "Nutsies" the excuse they needed. All they had to do was engineer a propaganda campaign lie to get the public onside, which they never managed to do, it must be said.

They didn't care about that in the end and launched their oil war anyway, resulting in an untold 100's thousands of dead and chaos within and without the region for years to come.

Not only are the responsible for that, they led world into the worse financial disaster it had seen since 1929.

I know that people hate Trump and quite rightly so. But that shouldn't make folk take their eye off of what happened under G. Bush's time in office, which had far worse consequences and for a far longer time.

As opposed to the hundreds of thousands dead and massive amounts made homeless, in America due to Trump's ineptitude.

As I said before, sure Bush was terrible but let's wait to have the dust settle to see the full effects of trumps presidency

duploelabs

duploelabs wrote: »

As opposed to the hundreds of thousands dead and massive amounts made homeless, in America due to Trump's ineptitude.

As I said before, sure Bush was terrible but let's wait to have the dust settle to see the full effects of trumps presidency

I do think there's a fair argument that Bush era **** ups are responsible for ending up with Trump. But also a ridiculous irony in the fact that they voted for the party responsible for economic disadvantage etc.

Billy Mays

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes, if he pardons them then he all but ensures that the senate finds against him. If he does not then there is a risk that the right wing groups turn against him

He must be raging inside

He can't pardon them because they haven't been convicted of anything

You'd think these dipsh!t constitution-loving patriots would know this but hey-ho

Billy Mays

The fella that calls himself Baked Alaska has been arrested aswell

You love to see it

Tony EH

duploelabs wrote: »

As opposed to the hundreds of thousands dead and massive amounts made homeless, in America due to Trump's ineptitude.

As I said before, sure Bush was terrible but let's wait to have the dust settle to see the full effects of trumps presidency

Yes, as opposed to that.

Trump's fallout will be largely American and fairly contained. Bush's involved the entire world and lasted well beyond his time in office.

While Trump deserves his impeachment. Bush and his co-conspirators got away scot free for everything they did, when they should have, at least, been in the dock for conspiracy to wage an aggressive war and crimes against humanity.

Leroy42

Billy Mays wrote: »

He can't pardon them because they haven't been convicted of anything

You'd think these dipsh!t constitution-loving patriots would know this but hey-ho

He can pardon them. Nixon received a pardon without a conviction

namloc1980

Billy Mays wrote: »

He can't pardon them because they haven't been convicted of anything

You'd think these dipsh!t constitution-loving patriots would know this but hey-ho

Presidents can issue preemptive pardons.

briany

jill_valentine wrote: »

A lot of the full on Q loons talk about the sense of "community" they have with it, and there are some very sad statements from many about how they've been cut off or cut themselves off from everything else. I don't know that there is anywhere else for some of them to go. (Which reminds me I really do need to get When Prophecy Fails for once and for all)

As someone who has recently watched The Social Dilemma, and now feels qualified to comment, to a PhD level, on the destructive power of social media platforms to shape one's objective reality and worldview, thus leading to scary levels of political polarisation....

Joking, but the film did remind me of how easy it is to fall down these rabbit holes. It does seem like when you get to the point of believing an unverified source about a massive and deeply embedded cabal of satan-worshipping child molesters, that you're either on the precipice of uncovering the biggest scandal of our young century, or you're just way out on the edge of political discourse.... except that you're not on the edge because the very number of people believing such a theory must mean the Overton window has shifted, regardless of the theory's veracity. The problem remains how you talk those people down. Ultimately, it's almost less about what is objectively true and more about what people commonly hold to be true, because you cannot have a stable society where vast groups of people are living in parallel realities. In this situation, conflict is pretty much inevitable, as we're seeing.

Leroy42

Tony EH wrote: »

Yes, as opposed to that.

Trump's fallout will be largely American and fairly contained. Bush's involved the entire world and lasted well beyond his time in office.

While Trump deserves his impeachment. Bush and his co-conspirators got away scot free for everything they did, when they should have, at least, been in the dock for conspiracy to wage an aggressive war and crimes against humanity.

I wouldn't agree. Trump has caused significant damage to previous relationships. Nato is now on a very different path. Mexico and Canada will feel very badly treated. He blew away any idea of a close relationship with the EU.

Both China and Russia will feel emboldened by the reduced Western alliance..

We won't know the long term effects for, well, a long time

HalloweenJack

Billy Mays wrote: »

He can't pardon them because they haven't been convicted of anything

You'd think these dipsh!t constitution-loving patriots would know this but hey-ho

I think this is a sign of how misinformation and a alck of critical thinking take hold. If they don't know the ins and outs of pardons then they probably believe that the VP has the power to disregard the votes of the electoral college and name Trump the president or any other BS statement that is written in legalese and claims to quite some amendment or piece of legislation.

I watched a snippet of the interview posted here with the Qanon Shaman and his openeing remarks, which were supposedly a description of his enemies, could easily have described the people who are a part of his movement. The lack of self-awareness is astounding.