Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

everlast75

https://twitter.com/RollingStone/status/1337877408234565632?s=19

Frankenstein's monster....

duploelabs

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RollingStone/status/1337877408234565632?s=19

Frankenstein's monster....

From that same article

Also in attendance were members of the hate group Proud Boys, which the Southern Poverty Law Center describes as “anti-Muslim and misogynistic.” And Enrique Tarrio, the group’s leader, even posted on Parler a photo of the White House, claiming that he was invited there. The White House, however, claims that Tarrio only attended a public tour. As White House spokesman Judd Deere told The Daily Beast, “He was on a public WH Christmas tour. He did not have a meeting with the President nor did the WH invite him.

everlast75

https://twitter.com/AndrewSolender/status/1337786978130137089?s=19

I love to see it....

Professor Moriarty

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RollingStone/status/1337877408234565632?s=19

Frankenstein's monster....

This is great. Rats, barrel, ship, sinking.

Overheal

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RollingStone/status/1337877408234565632?s=19

Frankenstein's monster....

Nah.

Well sort of. Because it looks and sounds an feels an *awful lot* like the Tea Party movement when it came about under almost identical circumstances: blaming anyone else and their mother for losing, “gotcha” questions from the media etc. and forsaking establishment Republicans for ‘not doing enough.’

They’ll be back next election and they will be Republican. Both parties are massive machines too big to fail, with corporate headquarters’ and everything. They learned back then it’s one thing to ‘start your own party’ it’s another to create another entity as highly evolved as either major party and it’s infrastructure, war chests, connections, you name it. The whip works because the party basically owns you in that regard.

Tony EH

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RollingStone/status/1337877408234565632?s=19

"Destroy the GOP"

Probably the best thing they've ever said though. :pac:


There'll be a lot of Republican voters who'll be turning their backs on Trump and his loons if they keep it up, which will only be a good thing.

I wonder if the propaganda mouthpiece of the Republican Party (AKA Fox News) will comment on this.

Wanderer78

Ah shur trump could drag the arse outta this, keep going back to court until the next election cycle, then re-run his campaign, should keep his ego intact

VinLieger

Now this is how you Grift

https://twitter.com/analieseeicher/status/1337529213700739074


https://www.businessinsider.com/wisconsin-counties-stiffed-3-million-for-conducting-election-recounts-2020-12?r=US&IR=T

Field east

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

The only '' fraud '' that happened was 5 ballots going into a house, and 5 coming back out as votes when history shows only the mom ever votes.
But in her own home the mom can fill in 5 ballots, and then get her husband who could not give a flying fck about Trump of Biden to sign his Ballot, and get 3 kids who are in basement playing Forenite to sign their ballots too.

Boom 5 votes, validated with a signature, and MUST be counted. All above board and correct. But in reality 4 people in that house would never have got up and stood in line in the wind and rain to vote for a man who doesn't know what day it is, or who he is even running against.

I assume a republican leaning mom would NOT do such a thing?

everlast75

Field east wrote: »

I assume a republican leaning mom would NOT do such a thing?

It's pure b*llox.

Biden won by over 7m votes.

There's no point in debunking these nonsense conspiracy theories here. There is more than adequate proof elsewhere online and if his supporters aren't going to believe it when they see it there, they are not going to be convinced here.

They don't want to hear your opinion. They want to hear theirs coming out of your mouth.

PropJoe10

Field east wrote: »

I assume a republican leaning mom would NOT do such a thing?

Nope. Only those dastardly Democrats would resort to such tactics, don't you know!

As I mentioned in the previous thread, I think, Trump and his followers just can't accept that a lot of people went out and voted Republican, but against Trump. America seems to like a lot of Republican policies, but does not like Trump. That's why he lost - because he's such a disgusting and unlikeable individual.

Tony EH

everlast75 wrote: »

It's pure b*llox.

Biden won by over 7m votes.

There's no point in debunking these nonsense conspiracy theories here. There is more than adequate proof elsewhere online and if his supporters aren't going to believe it when they see it there, they are not going to be convinced here.

They don't want to hear your opinion. They want to hear theirs coming out of your mouth.

Cultists, impenetrable to any kind of logical reasoning.

Leroy42

PropJoe10 wrote: »

Nope. Only those dastardly Democrats would resort to such tactics, don't you know!

As I mentioned in the previous thread, I think, Trump and his followers just can't accept that a lot of people went out and voted Republican, but against Trump. America seems to like a lot of Republican policies, but does not like Trump. That's why he lost - because he's such a disgusting and unlikeable individual.

Yeah, it one of the reasons his claim of voters fraud makes zero sense. Why did they not fix the Senate and house elections at the same time? In fact, they were expected to do better in them so an even less risky move that would give them massive power.

What is driving Trump mad is that clearly this was a rejection of him personally, it wasn't a rejection of the GOP. The GOP will actually be quite happy with the overall result, it sets them up very well for 2022 .

And thats the killer. This was a clear rejection of Trump himself. The loss is his and his alone. He could, and should, have won easily. Had he faced up the pandemic he would have won. Had he been honest and called for national unity, he would have won. Had he acted in the countries interest, rather than his own, he would have won. But he was so insecure that he had to hold his rallies to tell him how great he was. Biden knew he had support and opted to keep people safe.

So all this crying about fraud is, as usual, simply a projection of what Trump would have liked to have done himself it is a way to avoid and deflect from the truth that Trump threw away a second term. That it was there for him, but he managed to screw it up.

But its much easier to blame a deep state liberal elite conspiracy than to face reality. The fact that millions are willing to stand up for his simply the adulation and support he craved all along.

ohnonotgmail

At 30 seconds in the Leader recreates the scene from the Simpsons where the leader flies out of the barn.

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1337809319883132930

duploelabs

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

At 30 seconds in the Leader recreates the scene from the Simpsons where the leader flies out of the barn.

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1337809319883132930

Needs a overdub of mouth comb noises as the helicopter flies by

Cheerful Spring2

Deleted User wrote: »

Ireland does mail in voting for the Seanad. Nobody has established fraud. That's the reality and it amounts to a conspiracy theory to claim there was.

I loathe to acknowledge the Republican argument, but preventing a court trial is hardly the way to go about it convincing the other side there was no citizen voter fraud? This only further intrenches them with the belief, the democrats don’t want to test the waters- the validity of each vote for Biden.

The squandered millions of dollars on the muller investigation and yet the don’t want to prove here once and for all the mail voting in was not meddled with in anyway. Shouldn't people be confident in it before they continue to use the dominion voting machines again with future elections

It would be better for all concerned for the state of the country to convincedly defeat Trump team in a court of law. Last thing you want is civil unrest over this.

Like i said before Trump team evidence shown online so far is very weak. It shouldn't take long for the procedure to be complete here. Blocking moves are just adding fuel to the fire.

ohnonotgmail

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I loathe to acknowledge the Republican argument, but preventing a court trial is hardly the way to go about it convincing the other side there was no citizen voter fraud? This only further intrenches them with the belief, the democrats don’t want to test the waters- the validity of each vote for Biden.

The squandered millions of dollars on the muller investigation and yet the don’t want to prove here once and for all the mail voting in was not meddled with in anyway. Shouldn't people be confident in it before they continue to use the dominion voting machines again with future elections

It would be better for all concerned for the state of the country to convincedly defeat Trump team in a court of law. Last thing you want is civil unrest over this.

Like i said before Trump team evidence shown online so far is very weak. It shouldn't take long for the procedure to be complete here. Blocking moves are just adding fuel to the fire.

do you understand WHY the supreme court refused to let them file?

Field east

PropJoe10 wrote: »

Nope. Only those dastardly Democrats would resort to such tactics, don't you know!

As I mentioned in the previous thread, I think, Trump and his followers just can't accept that a lot of people went out and voted Republican, but against Trump. America seems to like a lot of Republican policies, but does not like Trump. That's why he lost - because he's such a disgusting and unlikeable individual.

Am following the thread with great interest and to try and get a handle as to where reality lies . What I find of great interest in the mountain that Biden had to climb if he had to get elected when you consider the following:-
(1) the vast majority of presidents get elected for a second term

(2) ‘ Crooked Hilary ‘ got significant traction in the previous election and ‘Sleepy Joe’ re Trumps team was hoping to have the same effect. Compared to Trumps energy one could argue that Biden was a bit ‘sluggish/ behind the curve’.

(3) Biden did little or no canvassing because of Covid and Trump did more canvassing- mainly through his rallies - than most out he presidents / presidential candidates.

(4) Biden’s age was against him as it would be in any other country

(5) A coloured lady who’s parents were from another country.

(6) communicated directly, through Twitter, with the American public much more than Biden did and with his various messages over the last four years

(7) Biden, because of his age , not being an impressive orator like, for example Obama, lacking the charisma of a D. Trump or a B. Clinton was a fairly weak candidate put up by the Democratic Party.

AND YET HE LOST. The mind boggles as to why he did not win. Of course the reasons why he lost require a very indept analysis - which ,I fear , is not going to be provided by this thread

eagle eye

Field east wrote:

AND YET HE LOST. The mind boggles as to why he did not win. Of course the reasons why he lost require a very indept analysis - which ,I fear , is not going to be provided by this thread

It's really simple, Trump is a horrible human being, he is a liar, he is racist.
He beat himself.

Triangle

Field east wrote: »

(7) Biden, because of his age , not being an impressive orator like, for example Obama, lacking the charisma of a D. Trump or a B. Clinton was a fairly weak candidate put up by the Democratic Party

D trump was devisive and uncharismatic.
He lost not due to Biden, but because of the anti trump vote.

He's also not a spring chicken, there's only a few years between him and biden

Cheerful Spring2

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

do you understand WHY the supreme court refused to let them file?

It was registered lawsuit by the state of Texas, was it not? Interesting the lawsuit was from a state. The Supreme court declared Texas had no right to get itself entangled in other states election/decision results? Probably valid point made by the judges and they blocked the lawsuit move here. That still doesn’t mean the Supreme court can not hear evidence from different states about alleged voter fraud?

ohnonotgmail

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

It was registered lawsuit by the state of Texas, was it not? Interesting the lawsuit was from a state. The Supreme court declared Texas had no right to get itself entangled in other states election/decision results? Probably valid point made by the judges and they blocked the lawsuit move here. That still doesn’t mean the Supreme court can not hear evidence from different states about alleged voter fraud?

you're right, Texas has no business getting entangled in another states internal affairs. Presidential elections are entirely a matter for the states. there is no probably about it, the supreme court was correct in its decision. the supreme court rules on points of constitutionality. that is what it does. it doesn't decide facts. that is what lower courts do. lower courts have already decided that Trump and his associates have presented no evidence that requires the results to be invalidated. In fact they have presented little evidence at all.

everlast75

I listened to a podcast recently about Jonestown and the massacre that took place. It is where the phrase "drank the kool aid" codes from, meaning people are "all in", contrary to apparent facts and despite the harm to their own health.

About 950 people died at the end of the sorry affair.

I wondered at the end of the pod about how influential Jim Jones was, and that the damage he could do was limited by what was available to him at that time. He could only really target people who could attend his church.

Perhaps if he was around a couple of decades later, he could have done a lot more damage with the reach and assistance of social media.

And that thought brought me along to Trump.

Specifically, the manner in which he is able to convince folk of untruths, be it rather mundane issues such as his business "success", or the ridiculous, such as his tan and hair being anything other than a joke, or moving into more political areas, for example that Obama wasn't American, and moving into his presidency lying about a deep state and so forth.

People may say the comparison to jim jones is hyperbolic.

However, we are now at a stage where this person is actively convincing his followers that facts aren't facts, truth isn't truth, that a pandemic which is infecting a million people a week and causing the deaths of 3000 people a day is either fake, or overblown.

His political allies have and still are hosting events where no one wears a mask, despite a vast percentage of his cabinet have contracted the virus.

He is not responsible for every death, but there can be no arguing that his stance and rhetoric has caused thousands and thousands of deaths, will continue to cause more and, like Jones, he doesn't care one jot that his followers, his devotees are dying.

Carfacemandog

valoren wrote: »

The Calexit proposition got a similar boost after Trump got elected. California still in the union. The same thing here with Texas i.e. posturing but then the inevitable backing down.

Which high-profile elected politicians backed calexit though?

Christy42

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I loathe to acknowledge the Republican argument, but preventing a court trial is hardly the way to go about it convincing the other side there was no citizen voter fraud? This only further intrenches them with the belief, the democrats don’t want to test the waters- the validity of each vote for Biden.

The squandered millions of dollars on the muller investigation and yet the don’t want to prove here once and for all the mail voting in was not meddled with in anyway. Shouldn't people be confident in it before they continue to use the dominion voting machines again with future elections

It would be better for all concerned for the state of the country to convincedly defeat Trump team in a court of law. Last thing you want is civil unrest over this.

Like i said before Trump team evidence shown online so far is very weak. It shouldn't take long for the procedure to be complete here. Blocking moves are just adding fuel to the fire.

It has been heard. Repeatedly in lower courts and they don't care that it was shown to be weak. The Trump campaign had been repeatedly defeated in a court of law and we are still close to civil unrest over this. There is only so much appeasement that can be done over these things.

We can't just have court cases because people's feelings have been hurt over this election.

Cheerful Spring2

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you're right, Texas has no business getting entangled in another states internal affairs. Presidential elections are entirely a matter for the states. there is no probably about it, the supreme court was correct in its decision. the supreme court rules on points of constitutionality. that is what it does. it doesn't decide facts. that is what lower courts do. lower courts have already decided that Trump and his associates have presented no evidence that requires the results to be invalidated. In fact they have presented little evidence at all.

Cases brought forward by Trump team have got turned down, and denied, this all worked out outside public witness though! Trump's team also claiming the judges are democratic leaning and denying his right in court?

In that case a public/audience show trial required where people can see with unmistakable transparency Trump evidence is very poor and his misleading his followers about the seriousness of it. If you don’t do that, Trump and his supporters can endure with this lie for the next 4 years!

Biden and Harris should enter office with a clean bill of health and there be no suspicions and uncertainties here about the victory. I don’t see why not a team of impartial court investigators can’t audit a few election results in states that got Biden the win here? You don’t need a full audit here of every vote and signature and ballot, and voting machine in the entire country. Right now it’s a mess with both sides fighting over the election.

salmocab

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Cases brought forward by Trump team have got turned down, and denied, this all worked out outside public witness though! Trump's team also claiming the judges are democratic leaning and denying his right in court?

In that case a public/audience show trial required where people can see with unmistakable transparency Trump evidence is very poor and his misleading his followers about the seriousness of it. If you don’t do that, Trump and his supporters can endure with this lie for the next 4 years!

Biden and Harris should enter office with a clean bill of health and there be no suspicions and uncertainties here about the victory. I don’t see why not a team of impartial court investigators can’t audit a few election results in states that got Biden the win here? You don’t need a full audit here of every vote and signature and ballot, and voting machine in the entire country. Right now it’s a mess with both sides fighting over the election.

Giving into nonsense legitimises nonsense. Courts can’t be wasting time with frivolous rubbish to appease the stupid.

Billy Mays

Only one side fighting over the election

Quin_Dub

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

It was registered lawsuit by the state of Texas, was it not? Interesting the lawsuit was from a state. The Supreme court declared Texas had no right to get itself entangled in other states election/decision results? Probably valid point made by the judges and they blocked the lawsuit move here. That still doesn’t mean the Supreme court can not hear evidence from different states about alleged voter fraud?

But - They were NOT alleging fraud -Other than Sydney Powell not a SINGLE court case has alleged Fraud , not one.

The Texas claim was that the 4 states made changes to their Election rules via Executive action (either the Governor or the State Secretary) and not via Legislation in the State house.

They claimed that this was unconstitutional as control of Elections is supposed to be within the sole jurisdiction of the State legislatures. There was some blather in there saying that the changes made Fraud easier , but they did not present any evidence that fraud occured.

The Supreme court basically said to Texas - You have no right nor authority to decide or complain about how another State runs it's elections. Each State can decide their own rules - That's the rule.

If people in PA etc. had a problem with the rules as set down , then they have to sue in PA - Which they did and they lost.

End of Story.

And again , just to re-iterate - Other than Sydney Powell (who even Giuliani thinks is too nuts for them) , not a single one of the 50+ Court cases that Trump and his cohorts have brought before the courts have made any allegations of Fraud , not once.

They have held Press Conferences aplenty claiming all kinds of shenanigans but they are not brave( or Stupid) enough to actually say those words in a court of law.

eagle eye

Cheerful Spring2 wrote:

In that case a public/audience show trial required where people can see with unmistakable transparency Trump evidence is very poor and his misleading his followers about the seriousness of it. If you don’t do that, Trump and his supporters can endure with this lie for the next 4 years!

No, he'd love this and it'd cause more division. As soon as it's going against him he'd get up ranting and be rightly warned to watch it or he'll be held in contempt. He then goes on TV and social media saying they are threatening to imprison him and denying his right to free speech and are denying him his rights under the first amendment.