Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

everlast75

I, for some time, have been sick of people making apologies for the rhetoric spewing from Trump.

Back when he said the press were the enemy of the people, there were pipe bombs being prepared by nutcases who hang on his every word.

Apologists on here said "He can't be responsible for their actions".

It happened multiple times.

And now, we have a holes like Trump, Powell and others, continuing this dangerous approach, leading to this latest example..


https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1338330655554465792?s=20

namloc1980

I'm sure the Trumpists will be along soon with their excuses.

Sparko

everlast75 wrote: »

I, for some time, have been sick of people making apologies for the rhetoric spewing from Trump.

Back when he said the press were the enemy of the people, there were pipe bombs being prepared by nutcases who hang on his every word.

Apologists on here said "He can't be responsible for their actions".

It happened multiple times.

And now, we have a holes like Trump, Powell and others, continuing this dangerous approach, leading to this latest example..


https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1338330655554465792?s=20

Patriots! Liberate Michigan!

He definitely won't call them out as domestic terrorists.

Eoin

Plot twist (not really): when they are given their day in court, it seems they are all talk and no trousers. But at this stage, pesky facts aren't going to change any trumpers' opinions.

https://twitter.com/guypbenson/status/1338260055238569990

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/12/a-stunning-passage-from-the-latest-court-rejection-of-team-trump/

ohnonotgmail

"They're winning these things on little technicalities, like a thing called standing"

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1338116423164579841

everlast75

Tough sh1t, Trump followers.

Today is D Day

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1338461233964437509?s=19

namloc1980

everlast75 wrote: »

Tough sh1t, Trump followers.

Today is D Day

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1338461233964437509?s=19

They'll try more crap when they count the votes in Congress on the 6th January but it's nearly there thankfully.

rossie1977

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

We had years of lengthy arguments, senate/court hearings, tv news discussions about Russia gate, tampering with elections by foreign actors and Ukraine. Now the other side not interested in holding a trial where red states, Trump, and republicans dispute the election result. That’s amusing to me. If you want to show Trump allegations are fruitless you shred the arguments inside a court where everyone can see it taking place.

We had years of 'her emails' and Benghazi before that so not sure your point.

The Russian investigation was started by Trumps own handpicked deputy AG Rod Rosenstein remember and lots of people were convicted and Trump would have too only a sitting President is prohibited from facing federal indictment by justice department.

Anyways the whole Trump election fraud stuff is a farce. They have nothing, they know they have nothing just trying to delay inevitable and an attempt to paint Biden as having stolen election and dramatically reduce his approval rating right off the bat. Its pretty clear what their goal is here.

I would much rather the courts investigate the senate elections in places like Kentucky and South Carolina. Evidence there that everything isn't as it seems!!

everlast75

rossie1977 wrote: »

We had years of 'her emails' and Benghazi before that so not sure your point.

The Russian investigation was started by Trumps own handpicked deputy AG Rod Rosenstein remember and lots of people were convicted and Trump would have too only a sitting President is prohibited from facing federal indictment by justice department.

Anyways the whole Trump election fraud stuff is a farce. They have nothing, they know they have nothing just trying to delay inevitable and an attempt to paint Biden as having stolen election and dramatically reduce his approval rating right off the bat. Its pretty clear what their goal is here.

I would much rather the courts investigate the senate elections in places like Kentucky and South Carolina. Evidence there that everything isn't as it seems!!

Key point missed by the Trump brigade.

They also leave out the fact that Trump et al did not cooperate with Mueller. Trump even asked McGahn to fire him.

everlast75

Apparently Trump supporters are immune to embarrassment

https://twitter.com/travisakers/status/1338484357389017090?s=19

eagle eye

everlast75 wrote:

Apparently Trump supporters are immune to embarrassment

Generally the less intelligent don't realise it.

Smee_Again

eagle eye wrote: »

Generally the less intelligent don't realise it.

Ain't that the truth.

valoren

What will become the narrative is that, yes, fraud happened, that it was pervasive and co-ordinated by the Democrats at the local level but there wasn't enough time for the evidence of that fraud to be collected and collated to bring a proper case to court with such compelling evidence. Time ran out for Patriots only trying to protect their democracy and come January an illegitimate President is holding office and there will be murmurings of getting a special counsel set up to muddy the waters in the next 18 months.

namloc1980

everlast75 wrote: »

Apparently Trump supporters are immune to embarrassment

https://twitter.com/travisakers/status/1338484357389017090?s=19

They are openly rebelling against the United States. Long jailtime is needed here.

ohnonotgmail

live updates on the electoral college voting here https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/electoral-college-vote-2020-what-happens-when-electors-meet-monday/E35D2MSUBREPTB7BJ4XARKOS54/

MoodeRator

Trump currently up 11-3, will there be calls to stop it now?

namloc1980

MoodeRator wrote: »

Trump currently up 11-3, will there be calls to stop it now?

STOP THE COUNT!!

Quin_Dub

valoren wrote: »

What will become the narrative is that, yes, fraud happened, that it was pervasive and co-ordinated by the Democrats at the local level but there wasn't enough time for the evidence of that fraud to be collected and collated to bring a proper case to court with such compelling evidence. Time ran out for Patriots only trying to protect their democracy and come January an illegitimate President is holding office and there will be murmurings of getting a special counsel set up to muddy the waters in the next 18 months.

If the GOP retain control of the Senate we are in for 4 years of "Hunter Hearings" and "Election Fraud" hearings.

Also - Every single GOP controlled State-house will bring the hammer down on voting rights across the country over the next 2 years.

eagle eye

Quin_Dub wrote:

Also - Every single GOP controlled State-house will bring the hammer down on voting rights across the country over the next 2 years.

They can try what they like, I think what happened in Texas will turn the State blue if the Dems are calm and smart about it.

ohnonotgmail

Quin_Dub wrote: »

If the GOP retain control of the Senate we are in for 4 years of "Hunter Hearings" and "Election Fraud" hearings.

Also - Every single GOP controlled State-house will bring the hammer down on voting rights across the country over the next 2 years.

Isn't that what they do anyway?

Overheal

I see stupidity trending online as many Trumpers think they’ve cleverly figured out a gaping loophole in American Elections: ‘it’s so simple guys, one Senator and one congressman object, and then it goes to state delegations, one vote per state.’

Except that’s not how it works at all: the state delegates only hold a contingent election if no candidate reaches 270. State delegations do not vote as such for determining whether to object to a states returns. Both chambers must have a majority vote to do so. Democrats in the House would have to agree by majority to nullify the election of 4 states to launch a contingent election by dragging Biden under the threshold.

Stephen Miller has people thinking they’re being very clever too by sending alternate slates of electors. Problem is, none of those alternate slates have the legal standing of the safe harbor certified results, and all states completed their criteria for that. Their slates are locked in and their votes are happening right now.

If Pence shows up on January 6 and he has eg. Georgia’s safe harbor result and the post-facto Stephen Miller result from the state, federal law stipulates that the safe harbor result is the correct result.

I’m afraid people are so swept up in their delusion here that in a couple weeks they’ll be looking for Pence’s head on a pike as though he ever really had any ability to overthrow an election.

Could you imagine if at any time any US election could just be decided arbitrarily by 26 state delegations, 1 Representative and 1 Senator? Or that an incumbent Vice President had a final say in who would be the next President and Vice President? Why have elections at all in that state!

drogon.

So question now is, will Trump concede once the electoral college votes or he will continue this till infinity ?

I know at one point he did say that will be his cutoff point, when he concedes. But I don't think so !

namloc1980

Those morons marching on the Georgia State Capitol in a clear attempt at intimidation. Very fine people

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namloc1980

drogon. wrote: »

So question now is, will Trump concede once the electoral college votes or he will continue this till infinity ?

I know at one point he did say that will be his cutoff point, when he concedes. But I don't think so !

No chance he'll concede. He'll claim the electors are fraudulent etc. His assault on the rule of law will continue unabated.

Quin_Dub

drogon. wrote: »

So question now is, will Trump concede once the electoral college votes or he will continue this till infinity ?

I know at one point he did say that will be his cutoff point, when he concedes. But I don't think so !

No , Trump will never "concede" , he will never say "Congratulations Joe Biden".

He will also never refer to him as "President Biden" , because he is a petulant child.

His last technical throw of the dice is on January 6th , when in theory some of his zealots can object to the reading in of the Electoral college results.

That however , is utterly doomed to failure as well, although they will drag it out enormously.

The process will be like this - As they announce the results of the Electoral college votes from PA for example at least 1 House member and 1 Senator need to object to the result.

Both Houses then retire to their respective chambers and debate the veracity of the objection for up to 2 hours. For the objection to be upheld BOTH houses have to vote to accept the objection - Given the Democrat control of the House , any objections are therefore DOA . And it's not beyond belief that it could fail in the Senate as well , I can't see Romney for sure and possibly a few others like Murkowski voting to accept the objections.

They then all troop back in together and the EC result gets ratified.

One thing that isn't clear to me is if the House/Senate have to vote discreetly for each objection or whether it's a one and done thing.

If it's each one separately , then they'll tear the arse out of it -

Object to Arizona - Everybody out , Debate for 2 hours , Vote , Lose the vote, Come back in and confirm Arizona
Object to Georgia - Everybody out , Debate for 2 hours , Vote , Lose the vote, Come back in and approve Georgia

etc.

Either way - January 6th is the end of any actual concrete challenges , but he'll continue to whinge until his dying day and never accept that he lost.

Quin_Dub

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

live updates on the electoral college voting here https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/electoral-college-vote-2020-what-happens-when-electors-meet-monday/E35D2MSUBREPTB7BJ4XARKOS54/

Georgia Electoral College just voted..

That's the first of the "contentious" ones done.

Inquitus

namloc1980

Inquitus wrote: »

COUNT THE VOTES!!

Quin_Dub

Inquitus wrote: »

No Faithless Electors yet.. All going according the the results so far.

Christy42

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Zero shops looted and zero businesses burned to the ground.

Different type of protest

Just a few hate crimes

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1251050.

Plus the bomb threats found credible to shut off electors. As you say, different type of protest.