You're Upper Class When

Mad_maxx

the purple tin wrote: »

He's nouveau riche. The upper class hate people like him. Probably because it brings back memories of when they were wealthy.

The upper class dont go in for the kind of material possession you listed

Roman abramovich isn't " upper class " , Jacob Rees Mogg is ,despite being a pauper compared to the Chelsea owner

It's about more than bank balance

the purple tin

You are an expert in the history of the local area. You've maybe wrote a book or set up a site about it.

micah537

partyguinness wrote: »

As someone who has lived in England for the past 10 years I know a little about about this. I commute (not live) through an extremely affluent suburb- old money from the 19th century industrialists. I see 2020 Bentleys, Rolls Royce SUVs, Aston Martins on a daily basis. Porsches of every model, BMWs and Mercs are a dim a dozen. Jesus I drive a 2020 BMW myself and that is nothing to write home about.

1. Any self respecting 'upper class' will not be seen dead in a Porsche or Ferrari. Jesus Christ no. That is for footballers and vulgar middle aged 'new money' types or young Asians trying to impress their friends and neighbours,

2. Audi R6- are you having a laugh? Leased out by Asians trying to impress their friends. Guaranteed they still live at home with their mother and work in a warehouse.

3. The 'upper class' are asset rich but cash poor. They have no interest in showing off hence cars and outwardly displays of money are of no relevance.

4. Range Rover Evoque- expecially one that is 7-8 years old. Very much the aspring working class/lower middle class types. Maxed out on credit cards. Trying too hard. Builder with a hair dresser wife.

5. Any self respecting upper class will not drive. They have someone else to drive for them.

I never mentioned what upper class drove. I disagreed that Audi was middle class, the cars I mentioned are more middle class than working class here in Ireland.

the purple tin

You give your kids strange nicknames.

Feisar

You are English
The same massive tract of land has been in the family for generations
Your family has been going to the same fee paying school for generations
You live in "the" big house

Xtrail14

When you wipe your hole back to front.

Some Yoke

When you criticize ordinary people for their privilege from a position of your own much greater but conveniently overlooked privilege

partyguinness

...you marry your first cousin.

You throw away your iPhone 11 the moment the iPhone 12 comes out.

Now that you have your macbook M1, you're flogging off that macbook with Intel i9 CPU.

Now you have your PlayStation 5 (no, Apple don't make consoles) you're selling off that PS 4.

Feisar

partyguinness wrote: »

...you marry your first cousin.

Got to keep the wealth in the family.

Wibbs

Deleted User wrote: »

You throw away your iPhone 11 the moment the iPhone 12 comes out.

Now that you have your macbook M1, you're flogging off that macbook with Intel i9 CPU.

Now you have your PlayStation 5 (no, Apple don't make consoles) you're selling off that PS 4.

That list is what aspirational middle class types do with the new Beemer on PCP to show off to the suburban neighbours and very much what the generationally wealthy "upper class" don't do. They tend not to have a consumerist lifestyle and have no need to be aspirational, because their wealth and background means they're already on top. They're more likely to buy a phone or laptop when their old one breaks, not because a new one came out, if they even notice a new one is out.

partyguinness

The 'upper class' do not need feel the need to buy expensive **** to validate their success. Conspicuous consumerism plays on insecurities. New car, new phone, holidays, city breaks, new kitchen etc: "If you do not have this crap you are a failure"

The ‘upper class’ are not insecure. Quite frankly they do not know any different.

Leg End Reject

Your handmade, solid wood furniture has been handed down to the generations and you don't get giddy at the thoughts of spending money because your family has always been privileged.

A lot of people are confusing the "new" self-appointed middle classes that emerged in alarming numbers during the Celtic tiger with the upper classes. Call to the home of someone with old money and try finding a jet ski, decking or a 50 inch TV. They'd sneer at such vulgarity.

Surreptitious

When you can eat an apple through a tennis racket. Hurrah!

partyguinness

Leg End Reject wrote: »

Your handmade, solid wood furniture has been handed down to the generations and you don't get giddy at the thoughts of spending money because your family has always been privileged.

A lot of people are confusing the "new" self-appointed middle classes that emerged in alarming numbers during the Celtic tiger with the upper classes. Call to the home of someone with old money and try finding a jet ski, decking or a 50 inch TV. They'd sneer at such vulgarity.

I tend to use the term "Celtic Tiger Millionaires" i.e. not really well off just mortgaged and maxed out to the hilt to distinguish those who are genuinely very well off.

Leg End Reject

partyguinness wrote: »

I tend to use the term "Celtic Tiger Millionaires" i.e. not really well off just mortgaged and maxed out to the hilt to distinguish those who are genuinely very well off.

All fur coat and no knickers is my favourite.

Surreptitious

I had a few friends who were incredibly wealthy. They would have had a separate room just for the piano. One of them was like, I am staying in this wing for the time being.

monkeynuz

partyguinness wrote: »

I tend to use the term "Celtic Tiger Millionaires" i.e. not really well off just mortgaged and maxed out to the hilt to distinguish those who are genuinely very well off.

Well off and posh are two different things

partyguinness

A client at work treated himself to a £100k watch and a £100k Porsche for himself and wife (as in bought 2) for their 50th. Cash. Typically Asian.

Another lad spent £250k on Koi Carp. When I was being told this I had a Fr Dougal look on my face...WTF is Koi Carp I was sitting there thinking. Long way from Koi Carp I was raised.

bertiebomber

micah537 wrote: »

You are upper class when you own a yacht and/or private jet and have a garage of hypercars with a house in excess of 5 or 10 million.

Unfortunately in Ireland people seem to think they are upper class with just a 100k salary.

You are confusing class here with rappers from detroit !

For Forks Sake

the purple tin wrote: »

You are an expert in the history of the local area. You've maybe wrote a book or set up a site about it.

Usually with your ancestors at the centre of that history, for better or worse

I'd guess that everyone with over 20 million euro is upper class. 10 million plus is merely upper middle class. The classiest people in the world are all worth over 500 million. Also, all 32 of your great great great grandparents need to have been considered by their contemporaries to have been upper class, otherwise you are just contemptible common scum with no dignity.

PopZiggy

You've forgotten about your Ansbacher account that the Revenue missed

Ish66

PopZiggy wrote: »

You've forgotten about your Ansbacher account that the Revenue missed

Told you...:D

silliussoddius

partyguinness wrote: »

I tend to use the term "Celtic Tiger Millionaires" i.e. not really well off just mortgaged and maxed out to the hilt to distinguish those who are genuinely very well off.

The people who think borrowing a million makes you a millionaire.

PopZiggy

Using the term new money

Paddygreen

What would
Winston say cousin ****s

OldRio

Posters thinking money can buy class. Not a chance.

Sky King

"The upper class don't give a fk what other people think so they don't buy the latest snazzy items but also the upper class wouldn't be caught dead in a 2021 3 series BMW or watching a 50" TV because it's far too vulgar"

This thread is incoherent nonsense. It's is a blend of reverse snobbery at the tiny number of wealthy "west brit" types who live, minding their own business, along the Sandymount to Killiney belt, mixed with residual Celtic tiger hang-ups and a sprinkling of UK style social classification which is totally irrelevant in this country.

partyguinness

Sky King wrote: »

"The upper class don't give a fk what other people think so they don't buy the latest snazzy items but also the upper class wouldn't be caught dead in a 2021 3 series BMW or watching a 50" TV because it's far too vulgar"

This thread is incoherent nonsense.

Of course it is. Just read the OP.

You have a railway running around your estate.

smellyoldboot

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

In Ireland, I don't think you can. Even if you tried.

Your born into a certain class. The same educational institutes, professions, clubs and social gatherings are attended and controlled by the same people.

The same restaurants, even pubs and shops are used by these people.

And if you tried , you would be totally alienated and an outsider from both "classes"

So don't fool yourself - you are only upper class when you always were and know you are entitled to be.

You probably can't move that much, maybe working class to upper middle class is doable over a generation or two. Upper class is definitely old money "connected" territory in this part of the world. Not impossible though either, see the likes of JP McManus, definitely went from maybe middle class to definite upper class.

Whether he feels like it though is another thing. By education and income I've definitely moved towards being solidly middle class in the last few years. And yet I often feel like an imposter, neither fully at home with my middle class colleagues or working class roots but straddling both. It's weird.

Paddygreen

Nearly over vwvwv

partyguinness

One thing I have always been thankful for growing up in rural Ireland in hindsight is that we were all the same growing up- same backgrounds. There was no 'rich' or 'poor' part of the village. Our mothers stayed at homes and our fathers were either in trades or farming background. We were all the same. No hang ups or keeping up with the Joneses.

When I moved into the 'city' at 18 to university I looked on with bemusement at the hang ups and chips on the shoulders certain lads had because they resented the private rugby fee school lads in the year. Basically some lads (working class backgrounds) not from the fee paying schools had a right chip on their shoulders. Of course on the other hand you had the cliques with the fee paying lads and ladies- they had their own insecurities.

It was all new to me and I was damn glad I didnt give a flying fcuk abut the Munster Cup or whatever. It meant nothing to me. I'll take being a bogger any day than living with huge social hang ups that comes with urban living.

Sky King

But I thought boggers were obsessed with road frontage and dairy herd size?

partyguinness

Sky King wrote: »

But I thought boggers were obsessed with road frontage and dairy herd size?

Some are no doubt. Personally I am not from a farming background so it holds very little appeal to me.

shesty

partyguinness wrote: »

One thing I have always been thankful for growing up in rural Ireland in hindsight is that we were all the same growing up- same backgrounds. There was no 'rich' or 'poor' part of the village. Our mothers stayed at homes and our fathers were either in trades or farming background. We were all the same. No hang ups or keeping up with the Joneses.

When I moved into the 'city' at 18 to university I looked on with bemusement at the hang ups and chips on the shoulders certain lads had because they resented the private rugby fee school lads in the year. Basically some lads (working class backgrounds) not from the fee paying schools had a right chip on their shoulders. Of course on the other hand you had the cliques with the fee paying lads and ladies- they had their own insecurities.

It was all new to me and I was damn glad I didnt give a flying fcuk abut the Munster Cup or whatever. It meant nothing to me. I'll take being a bogger any day than living with huge social hang ups that comes with urban living.

Those "working class" people must have been living in the areas of fee-paying schools to even be aware of them.

Generally the chips are on the shoulders of fee-paying students in the sense that they view themselves as better.Weirdly.

Worse...most people who are "urban living" as you say, are originally from the country. Some of the worst snobs I know (lovely people but with massive hang ups on where they live) originated in the country or a poorer part of Dublin, but now live in D4.The thought of crossing the Liffey actually horrifies them, they only cross the M50 bridge to go to the airport.

I find it quite amusing by the way -yes there is a whole other part of Dublin that exists outside Foxrock and Blackrock.They are always so surprised, with "oh this is actually quite nice" reactions!!!

OldRio

OldRio wrote: »

Posters thinking money can buy class. Not a chance.

But what if they have 600 million euro? Surely by that point a person crosses the threshold from lacking class and dignity to finally possessing it for the first time in their lives. At 600 million nobody should have to be made feel bad by other peoples judgments of them. THEN they can finally be happy! Think of all the Hugo Boss t-shirts and Canada Goose jackets they could buy!

bertiebomber

Canada goose jackets should not be sold in Harrods or BT's I was recently in BT's and the floor with Canada goose had quite a few cream crackers in there never saw that before. b Bad hair cuts shouting at each other vile they spoil everything with the d rug money.

Sky King

Nothing says I'm a lower-mid tier drug dealer like a Canada goose jacket.

Question: What kind of person spends €175 on what is apparently a regular beanie hat?

https://www.brownthomas.com/brands/canada-goose/logo-hat/141147621.html?cgid=canada-goose#start=1

mariaalice

partyguinness wrote: »

One thing I have always been thankful for growing up in rural Ireland in hindsight is that we were all the same growing up- same backgrounds. There was no 'rich' or 'poor' part of the village. Our mothers stayed at homes and our fathers were either in trades or farming background. We were all the same. No hang ups or keeping up with the Joneses.

When I moved into the 'city' at 18 to university I looked on with bemusement at the hang ups and chips on the shoulders certain lads had because they resented the private rugby fee school lads in the year. Basically some lads (working class backgrounds) not from the fee paying schools had a right chip on their shoulders. Of course on the other hand you had the cliques with the fee paying lads and ladies- they had their own insecurities.

It was all new to me and I was damn glad I didnt give a flying fcuk abut the Munster Cup or whatever. It meant nothing to me. I'll take being a bogger any day than living with huge social hang ups that comes with urban living.

A journalist who grew up in a small village in the west of Ireland wrote a brilliant article on that subject and her bewilderment at the petty snobbery of Dublin, which she could never get a handle on because where she grew up everyone mixed with everyone else.

partyguinness

mariaalice wrote: »

A journalist who grew up in a small village in the west of Ireland wrote a brilliant article on that subject and her bewilderment at the petty snobbery of Dublin, which she could never get a handle on because where she grew up everyone mixed with everyone else.

I grew up in the middle of a wood with a good acre of land around the house. No cars or busy roads. In fact cannot see another house.

From where I stood in the City it all looked the same. Either living in some drab non descript estate or some slightly less drab estate with a bit more garden. I felt sorry for both sides. Hilariously they would both call me a culche etc as if that is supposed to be an insult. I'll take that any day.

IK09

Class has little to do with bank balances or assets, it is more to do with the way one comports themselves.

The plebian-Irish seem positively fixated on shuffling each other into social classes.

The differentiation can similarly be categorized into people who have amassed wealth over generations towards the creation of a stronger lineage...and the more vulgar category of the "Rich".

Class is permeant. Riches are not.

IK09

...now tell me you didnt swap to a David Attenborough voice in your head when reading that.

D3V!L

Stovepipe wrote: »

All of your shoes are hand made in Lobbs. When you ask a man if he shoots, it's not about holding up a shop with a sawn-off, rather it's about one's Purdeys. Your tweeds are ancient and smell of wet dog. You own proper dogs, not rug ornaments. You served in a Guards Regiment in the British Army and then went to work in a firm in the City, despite not actually needing an income. You only drive Range Rovers. You have a "small place" in Scotland (a castle on 500 acres,with shooting rights and salmon fishing). Your wife is a delightful snob from Surrey,who has never worked a day in her life, and both of you are happily cheating on each other,she with a stable hand and you with an au pair. You live in a slightly run down cottage in Ireland (only the twelve rooms,ye know)and refer to the UK as "the mainland". Your cottage has a boot room, a scullery and a pantry....you know the type.

Sounds delightful

2lazytogetup

you are upperclass when you are more concerned with buying quality than whether its cheap or a bargain.

If you need to ask how much it is, you cant afford it.

my image is posh mothers and daughters shopping in those boutiques in powerscourt shopping centres. prices arent displayed and there is usually an attractive sales assistant at their beck and call.

upper class never mix with lower classes. tehy wouldnt be seen at anywhere cheap. always the best in closed bubbles.

Mrsmum

Being rich is a totally different thing from being upper class. An upper class person could look very down at heel but still gain entry anywhere because they just exude from every pore the certainity that they are a person of quality.

Surreptitious

It's people born into money that don't even have to work. Completely different to the Joe soaps struggling to make ends meet. It gives them a confidence that they can go anywhere and do anything.

BattleCorp

Sky King wrote: »

Question: What kind of person spends €175 on what is apparently a regular beanie hat?

https://www.brownthomas.com/brands/canada-goose/logo-hat/141147621.html?cgid=canada-goose#start=1

I'll answer that question. A fool.

partyguinness

Through my work I have known and still do know plenty of self made millionaires. Zero pretentions.

It's the petty social climbers that you have to avoid.