Formula 1 2021 - General Discussion Thread (Read 1st post rules)

Jordan 199

AMKC wrote: »

Would love to see Toyota come back but it will probably never happen.
Peugeot maybe now that they getting into Le Mans again is it?

I don't see Peugeot ever returning to F1. Their disasterous relationship with Prost put paid to that.

ELM327

AMKC wrote: »

Who are the four manufacturers? I can think of 3 Renault, Mercedes and Ferrari. I have seen rumours that Porsche might join F1 but who knows how true that is. Would love to see Toyota come back but it will probably never happen.
Peugeot maybe now that they getting into Le Mans again is it?

Very unlikely to see a new OEM getting (back) into F1 these days without a reg change.


Look what happened to Honda and Renault

El_Duderino 09

ELM327 wrote: »

Very unlikely to see a new OEM getting (back) into F1 these days without a reg change.


Look what happened to Honda and Renault

Oh definitely. We're looking at the engine 2025 change to see if if anyone else will join. It would be madness to join such a highly developed formula in the meantime.

Missed Apex podcast reported rumours of Audi thinking about joining (again) in 2025. It'll be al about how they change the rules for the new 2025 formula. They first have to agree to change it from 2026 to 2025. Absolutely nothing is guaranteed at the moment, but i imagine they will all want to cut costs in the next few years so they might opt for simplified engines

ELM327

If they went back to simplified cheaper v8 engines without all the electrical nonsense (leave that to formula e) there would be a lot more suppliers interested. The likes of cosworth etc may even come back.

El_Duderino 09

ELM327 wrote: »

If they went back to simplified cheaper v8 engines without all the electrical nonsense (leave that to formula e) there would be a lot more suppliers interested. The likes of cosworth etc may even come back.

Yeah, maybe it's time to let FE take over as the leader of future technology. These are the questions they will have to grapple with in the next formula change

duploelabs

ELM327 wrote: »

If they went back to simplified cheaper v8 engines without all the electrical nonsense (leave that to formula e) there would be a lot more suppliers interested. The likes of cosworth etc may even come back.

FIA have commuted to being carbon neutral in the near future so that won't happen

PopePalpatine

duploelabs wrote: »

FIA have commuted to being carbon neutral in the near future so that won't happen

That doesn't necessarily rule out ditching the hybrid tech. I doubt Liberty will need to ramp up their tree-planting plans (or whatever they're doing to go carbon neutral) to make up for the extra emissions that'll get spewed out. Even then they could probably neutralise those extra emissions by moving the Canadian GP to before the Americas triple-header of the USA, Mexico and Brazil, or the Abu Dhabi GP next to Bahrain's one.

ELM327

duploelabs wrote: »

FIA have commuted to being carbon neutral in the near future so that won't happen

100% biofuel (like cars in brazil run) is carbon neutral.

Harika

AMKC wrote: »

Who are the four manufacturers? I can think of 3 Renault, Mercedes and Ferrari. I have seen rumours that Porsche might join F1 but who knows how true that is. Would love to see Toyota come back but it will probably never happen.
Peugeot maybe now that they getting into Le Mans again is it?

Sorry to disappoint, the fourth for now is red bull....
And I can't see any manufacturers coming into F1 as long as F1 deviates more and more from the market.
Jaguar announcing today that they will only sell electric cars from 2025 shocked me.
The direction is really clear where the market is going, spending hundreds of millions of Euro into a ICU makes no sense. That's why I don't think there is an option to lure anyone else in.
Either F1 goes the route of cheap standardised combustion engines, supported by cutting edge hybrid technology or paints a clear way into full electric.

barryribs

Surely the easiest solution is sure for the FIA to standardise the hybrid elements of the system? It would make it much more enticing to future engine manufacturers that they wouldn't have to spend a couple of hundred million and end up like Honda's fiasco.

This way the FIA can keep the facade of it being environmentally responsible while they fly to tons of equipment to third world countries for races.

quokula

duploelabs wrote: »

FIA have commuted to being carbon neutral in the near future so that won't happen

The emissions of F1 engines are completely dwarfed by all the travelling around the world, the crowds at the track, the operation of factories etc. Switching to simpler, cheaper V8s which are much lighter to transport would not in any way blow a hole in any attempt by the FIA to go carbon neutral.

It would lead to better racing, more financial sustainability, much lower barriers to entry for new manufacturers and independent engine suppliers, but these are all reasons why current manufacturers are so dead set against it.

The current engines are extremely specialised and have zero relationship to road technology as it is but even if they had, hybrids are only slowing down uptake of BEVs which are what is really needed for the environment.

The charade that the hybrid Formula is better for the environment or contributes to manufacturer's green credentials is nothing more than marketing spiel.

ricimaki

McLaren stream is live
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSlJGWM4T7s

Jordan 199

Lando is sporting a nice pair of Puma trainers. I love their trainers.

ricimaki

So, the new McLaren looks.... the same as the old one....


Edit: Actually, on second look, the rear looks a bit tighter

recyclebin

No Mercedes logo on car or any merchandise as far as I can tell.

flazio

recyclebin wrote: »

No Mercedes logo on car or any merchandise as far as I can tell.

Force India/Racing Point never carried Merc branding either. Aston Martin are very unlikely to start either. It's only Williams who ever acknowledged the connection with Mercedes Benz

Harika

https://mobile.twitter.com/tgruener/status/1361402780632707072

To spot the difference

recyclebin

Nose of car a lot more like the Mercedes. Diffuser and rear floor won't look like the photos come race time.

recyclebin

flazio wrote: »

Force India/Racing Point never carried Merc branding either. Aston Martin are very unlikely to start either. It's only Williams who ever acknowledged the connection with Mercedes Benz

McLaren did have Renault on the car and merchandise last year. I thought I was going to get away with dusting off my old McLaren Mercedes gear this year :P

flazio

Would explain your username, that's for sure.:P

Anesthetize

Was hoping for a classic Gulf livery on the McLaren

AMKC

That's boring and more ugly. I think last years car looked better.

AMKC

Jordan 199 wrote: »

Lando is sporting a nice pair of Puma trainers. I love their trainers.

Me too. Much better than overrated Nike trainers.

AMKC

Harika wrote: »

Sorry to disappoint, the fourth for now is red bull....
And I can't see any manufacturers coming into F1 as long as F1 deviates more and more from the market.
Jaguar announcing today that they will only sell electric cars from 2025 shocked me.

Actually they announced that they will only produce electric cars from 2025 and only sell electric cars by 2030. So in the mean time any ICE cars they have produced can still be sold untill there life cycle ends.

Jordan 199

robinwing

Norris introduced by Pinkham immediately launches into how with his experience of 5 years a McLaren employee and his knowledge gained he will have to take on the responsibility , how he got on well with Carlos Sainz and how they worked well together. Riccardo comes in teeth flashing like a great white. His only mission is to destroy Norris , undermine his confidence , outqualify him and take over the team . Will he do a Hulkenberg on Norris ?

TCP/IP

robinwing wrote: »

Norris introduced by Pinkham immediately launches into how with his experience of 5 years a McLaren employee and his knowledge gained he will have to take on the responsibility , how he got on well with Carlos Sainz and how they worked well together. Riccardo comes in teeth flashing like a great white. His only mission is to destroy Norris , undermine his confidence , outqualify him and take over the team . Will he do a Hulkenberg on Norris ?

Yes

Jordan 199

Alpine launch on the 2nd of March.

AMKC

Aston Martin Cognizant launch on the 3rd of March.

El_Duderino 09

There was speculation here about Max and clauses on his contract which could mean he could leave before the end of his contract.

Horner said “There is an element of performance related to Max's contract.”

"I'm not going to go into what that is. It doesn't relate to the power unit in any way, it's just a binary performance at a certain measurement in time.”.

I heard his last contract had something to do with engine performance e.g. if more than 50% of the gap to Mercedes was caused by the Honda engine then he could leave. But Horner suggests that it’s more straightforward than that the is time. E.g. If he isn’t 3rd in the championship at half way through the season, the he can trigger the clause.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/155066/verstappen-has-performance-clause-in-red-bull-deal