Is anyone paying tax?

ednwireland

up to 37.5k you dont have to register for vat (75k for goods) maybe they want cash becuase banks charge you for cashing cheques, easier to deal in cash with the pain in the hoop the banks have become.

paid for chimney lining, rebuild chimney and new drive via an electronic bank payment - one guy wanted cash and got it - his choice.

ELM327

GarIT wrote: »

I do have a problem with that too as I have alread said. I'd love to solve it by moving to a cashless society.

Same.
I've also already expressed my contempt on thread for not paying tax to contractors etc.

Idbatterim

ElJeffe wrote: »

You've some neck. Every second thread on here you are giving out about dole spongers, welfare cheats etc.. and yet you are fine with tax evasion.

No I am being consistent. If you think you owe them a living, you pay more tax. I and many thers dont get free houses, medical cards, Christmas bonus and I'm not exactly flush myself. The financial waste here is appalling, it's not the tax take side that's the problem, its spending ..

partyguinness

Antares35 wrote: »

I worked in the PS for a couple of years. What always amazed me was when someone went on mat leave, her replacement would be brought in then when she came back, the replacement would be kept and a job "found" for him/ her. Amazing!

I have a few buddies like that with the Council. One took a year out and travelled.

When he came back there was actually no job/space in the department he had left. He said "Eff that" he was 'encouraged' to just walk into the department on a Monday morning, take seat and desk and just sit there. Do not move and tough it out. Worked a treat.

As it happened a gang of them from various departments came back from travelling around the same time. What did the Council do? Literally made up a 'new' section/department and shoved them all in there.

Idbatterim

Mickey_James wrote: »

I say fair play to them.

I would be the same. I'm fed up with the systems in this country.

I pay PAYE for a decade and house prices are a joke yet there's people getting free houses they don't deserve and they've never worked a day in their lives.

I was watching supergarden this year, the estate was a social housing development. One of the people was crippled in a wheelchair, fair enough, wouldn't mind her!

Then there was a young, health stay at home mother of 2 kids. Not working! And then I was on facebook and I saw her profile and she was on 2 week tour of Ireland for her staycation!

Meanwhile I wouldn't afford that. And that's where my tax is going? **** off.

She gets a free house for life, while I might get the luxury of one day getting into debt up to my tits for 30 years for the privelidge of a 2nd hand matchbox!

Dont come around here spouting facts! These people are OWED a living by you and I. They should also be shopping in m and s and have premium German metal parked out front...

Idbatterim

ElJeffe wrote: »

Where did i deny that. We all as tax payers pay for everything. Roads, schools, houses, health care etc...

Your beef should be with the government if you don't like the system. The voting booth is your friend.

Right, with an option on the spectrum of left, to the far left? I'm aware when you watch rte and have probably never left the country, you may believe fg are centre or centre right, but lol...

Give them an education and link welfare to education level and or previous contributions... give a hand up, not endless yand outs but when all you care about is short term re-election, you can see why they enjoy the welfare for life gravy train...

Previously filled up the car tank for ninety pound when euro pound were near parity, cost me few euro filling her up north, but I'd give it to her majesty revenue, before I would to the comedy act here...

Dublin hasn't even got a transport system health is a farce, infrastructure a disgrace. Where is the fifty percent marginal rate of tax over a pittance going? Two books and the ace is still decades behind the continent. HsE , insane welfare, free housing etc. We have zero military spend, relatively small elderly population...

ednwireland

ednwireland wrote: »

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paid for chimney lining, rebuild chimney and new drive via an electronic bank payment - one guy wanted cash and got it - his choice.

Electronic bank payment isn't a cash transaction.

I think we're a lot less tolerant of the black economy then we were previously.

Before there was a bit of a nod and a wink, and a "good on you" if you were getting cash in the hand.
Not so now

dxhound2005

The Defaulter List is smaller this year, probably due to the Covid. But still some impressive results by the Revenue.

https://www.revenue.ie/en/corporate/press-office/list-of-defaulters/2020/defaulterslist-part2-march2020.pdf

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/1208/1183158-dublin-fuel-retailer-tops-revenue-defaulters-list/

partyguinness

I am driven mad by the raft of 'Poverty Porn' programmes on English TV.

"Single mother of 6 Becky (25) is I]insert whatever affliction of choice[/I lives in a 2 bed semi d in Manchester..."

Now, Becky did not fcuking wake up yesterday morning with 6 kids suddenly hanging off her. It is not a medical condition.

Becky dropped her knickers and took several cream pies....how well she was able to manage that but she can't spell her own name...:mad:

That is what my tax is paying for.

Idbatterim

partyguinness wrote: »

I am driven mad by the raft of 'Poverty Porn' programmes on English TV.

"Single mother of 6 Becky (25) is I]insert whatever affliction of choice[/I lives in a 2 bed semi d in Manchester..."

Now, Becky did not fcuking wake up yesterday morning with 6 kids suddenly hanging off her. It is not a medical condition.

Becky dropped her knickers and took several cream pies....how well she was able to manage that but she can't spell her own name...:mad:

That is what my tax is paying for.

No comparison between UK and here... YET, they will make endless programmes on it there. Wouldn't touch it with a bargepole here, laughable!

ELM327

partyguinness wrote: »

I am driven mad by the raft of 'Poverty Porn' programmes on English TV.

"Single mother of 6 Becky (25) is I]insert whatever affliction of choice[/I lives in a 2 bed semi d in Manchester..."

Now, Becky did not fcuking wake up yesterday morning with 6 kids suddenly hanging off her. It is not a medical condition.

Becky dropped her knickers and took several cream pies....how well she was able to manage that but she can't spell her own name...:mad:

That is what my tax is paying for.

What gets me is the ones that continue to produce children even though they cant afford them. EG your Becky character had 4 kids 2 years ago and now has 6.

neris

partyguinness wrote: »

I am driven mad by the raft of 'Poverty Porn' programmes on English TV.

"Single mother of 6 Becky (25) is I]insert whatever affliction of choice[/I lives in a 2 bed semi d in Manchester..."

Now, Becky did not fcuking wake up yesterday morning with 6 kids suddenly hanging off her. It is not a medical condition.

Becky dropped her knickers and took several cream pies....how well she was able to manage that but she can't spell her own name...:mad:

That is what my tax is paying for.

they can spell their names very well when they have to fill in the forms for more mickey money.

Mickey_James

partyguinness wrote: »

I am driven mad by the raft of 'Poverty Porn' programmes on English TV.

"Single mother of 6 Becky (25) is I]insert whatever affliction of choice[/I lives in a 2 bed semi d in Manchester..."

Now, Becky did not fcuking wake up yesterday morning with 6 kids suddenly hanging off her. It is not a medical condition.

Becky dropped her knickers and took several cream pies....how well she was able to manage that but she can't spell her own name...:mad:

That is what my tax is paying for.

Yeah.

It's not the sensible ones having babies.

Just a quick scan in my head of people around having kids in their mid 20s its all people like Becky. The sensible ones are working and can only have kids in their early or mid 30s

I'd love to see the fathers held responsible for shooting their loads

partyguinness

Another thing (slightly digressing)

Public sector workers who use the word "entitled":

"Oh but sure I am entitled to it [some annual payment/pay rise]"

Yeah but that is not the same as deserving it or earning it. Basically you get a pay rise every year just for still existing. What about a review and pay increases linked to performance?

or the

"Sure I have a few sick days coming to me"

Really? Are they not for sick days days? Oh I see. Hangovers are classed as sick days.

partyguinness

partyguinness wrote: »

I am driven mad by the raft of 'Poverty Porn' programmes on English TV.

"Single mother of 6 Becky (25) is I]insert whatever affliction of choice[/I lives in a 2 bed semi d in Manchester..."

Now, Becky did not fcuking wake up yesterday morning with 6 kids suddenly hanging off her. It is not a medical condition.

Becky dropped her knickers and took several cream pies....how well she was able to manage that but she can't spell her own name...:mad:

That is what my tax is paying for.

Take it up with the guy(s) who delivered the cream pies?

As usual, its easy to throw blame and shame at someone who is actually raising the kids, not the ones who disappear and take no share of their responsibility for them.

For every child being raised by a single mother, there is a single father who should take equal financial responsibility. In the case of "Becky" probably more then one.

partyguinness

partyguinness wrote: »

Another thing (slightly digressing)

Public sector workers who use the word "entitled":

"Oh but sure I am entitled to it [some annual payment/pay rise]"

Yeah but that is not the same as deserving it or earning it. Basically you get a pay rise every year just for still existing. What about a review and pay increases linked to performance?

or the

"Sure I have a few sick days coming to me"

Really? Are they not for sick days days? Oh I see. Hangovers are classed as sick days.

OMG get with the times.

Your information is at least twenty years out of date.

blingrhino

painter in yesterday, just finished an hour ago , just the €500 cash !
2 large rooms and took 2 months to get him.
price included paint and he had a helper yesterday.

partyguinness

Deleted User wrote: »

Take it up with the guy(s) who delivered the cream pies?

As usual, its easy to throw blame and shame at someone who is actually raising the kids, not the ones who disappear and take no share of their responsibility for them.

For every child being raised by a single mother, there is a single father who should take equal financial responsibility. In the case of "Becky" probably more then one.

Take what up? Why did becky allow herself to get knocked up by several different men and now can barely survive?

Sure I get that it takes two to tango and yes there are feckless fathers but at the end of the day Becky is the one left holding the baby both literally and figuratively.

Mickey_James

partyguinness wrote: »

Another thing (slightly digressing)

Public sector workers who use the word "entitled":

"Oh but sure I am entitled to it [some annual payment/pay rise]"

Yeah but that is not the same as deserving it or earning it. Basically you get a pay rise every year just for still existing. What about a review and pay increases linked to performance?

or the

"Sure I have a few sick days coming to me"

Really? Are they not for sick days days? Oh I see. Hangovers are classed as sick days.

Exactly.

A good one that really grinds my gears is the "pay restoration" talk.

No, you are not working for a reduced salary for the last decade, that's what it's worth.

No, any increase is not restoring pay, it's a pay increase.

What on earth made people think that 2008 was some kind of benchmark that signified the correct amount people should be paid. We were living way past our means back then, salaries gone mad, public sector spending gone mad!

partyguinness

Deleted User wrote: »

OMG get with the times.

Your information is at least twenty years out of date.

I have just checked. My public sector buddies who I am referring to are still very much alive and well and still in the public sector and the conversations did not take place 20 years ago....slightly strange statement.

ElJeffe

Idbatterim wrote: »

No I am being consistent. If you think you owe them a living, you pay more tax. I and many thers dont get free houses, medical cards, Christmas bonus and I'm not exactly flush myself. The financial waste here is appalling, it's not the tax take side that's the problem, its spending ..

No you are a tax evader. You've admitted that. All the rest is whataboutery.

Mickey_James

Deleted User wrote: »

Take it up with the guy(s) who delivered the cream pies?

As usual, its easy to throw blame and shame at someone who is actually raising the kids, not the ones who disappear and take no share of their responsibility for them.

For every child being raised by a single mother, there is a single father who should take equal financial responsibility. In the case of "Becky" probably more then one.

If a fella can't decide to abort the baby then he shouldn't be burdened with raising a kid he doesn't want.

partyguinness

partyguinness wrote: »

Take what up? Why did becky allow herself to get knocked up by several different men and now can barely survive?

Sure I get that it takes two to tango and yes there are feckless fathers but at the end of the day Becky is the one left holding the baby both literally and figuratively.

Ah yes, because its always the woman's fault, for getting herself pregnant, isn't it?

Men have no responsibility for contraception or where they put their dicks.

This attitude from people like you is exactly why guys think its okay to walk away and leave women like Becky "holding the baby".

Yet its the woman you attempt to shame. Clown.

facehugger99

I generally offer to pay cash but then I surreptitiously report the trader to Revenue.

I feel this avoids the moral-hazard of facilitating tax-evasion but still allows me to avail of the cheaper 'cash-price'.

partyguinness

partyguinness wrote: »

Another thing (slightly digressing)

Public sector workers who use the word "entitled":

"Oh but sure I am entitled to it [some annual payment/pay rise]"

Yeah but that is not the same as deserving it or earning it. Basically you get a pay rise every year just for still existing. What about a review and pay increases linked to performance?

or the

"Sure I have a few sick days coming to me"

Really? Are they not for sick days days? Oh I see. Hangovers are classed as sick days.

Increments aren't 'pay rises', and they can be held over in cases of poor/ unsatisfactory performance even PS worker undergoes as sgred with the unions
(in theory) but PS are as a matter of fact, otherwise 'entitled' to if as part of their salary scale rate remuneration (unless the country is broke)

6 days uncertified ("sickies") in a 18/24 month rolling period is "allowed". Theres no sick days allowance.

System isn't great, needs more improvement, but you're incorrect on your claims.

Mickey_James

Mickey_James wrote: »

If a fella can't decide to abort the baby then he shouldn't be burdened with raising a kid he doesn't want.

Every fella knows when they lie down with a woman that pregnancy is a possible outcome.

So save me the "no right to abort" bull****.

If a fella isn't prepared to face the possible consequences of making a woman pregnant when he has sex with her, then he should get himself the snip, or have a **** instead.

That's a risk HE decides to take, when he makes the choice to insert his penis in a woman.

Mickey_James

Mickey_James wrote: »

If a fella can't decide to abort the baby then he shouldn't be burdened with raising a kid he doesn't want.

Theres a fascinating thread in that post!

SEPT 23 1989

large amounts of cash is a complete waste of time if you are running something resembling a legit business

everything has to add up lifestyle wise if revenue arrive at your door

Mickey_James

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah yes, because its always the woman's fault, for getting herself pregnant, isn't it?

Men have no responsibility for contraception or where they put their dicks.

This attitude from people like you is exactly why guys think its okay to walk away and leave women like Becky "holding the baby".

Yet its the woman you attempt to shame. Clown.

Get an abortion if she doesn't want the baby

facehugger99

facehugger99 wrote: »

I generally offer to pay cash but then I surreptitiously report the trader to Revenue.

I feel this avoids the moral-hazard of facilitating tax-evasion but still allows me to avail of the cheaper 'cash-price'.

I sleep easy with that approach too.
But i wait a few weeks before reporting, so as no to draw suspicions on me.

Mickey_James

Mickey_James wrote: »

What on earth made people think that 2008 was some kind of benchmark that signified the correct amount people should be paid. We were living way past our means back then, salaries gone mad, public sector spending gone mad!

Eh, the benchmarking process that went on before it.

partyguinness

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah yes, because its always the woman's fault, for getting herself pregnant, isn't it?

Men have no responsibility for contraception or where they put their dicks.

This attitude from people like you is exactly why guys think its okay to walk away and leave women like Becky "holding the baby".

Yet its the woman you attempt to shame. Clown.

Women are the gate keepers. If a women allows herself to get into a situation (assuming she voluntarily and willingly went to bed with these guys) where she has multiple kids with multiple fathers and is now living hand to mouth off the state then shame on her. Yes.

Moralise all you want about feckless fathers or spread out the blame but at the end of the day it is Becky that is left in the ****. She ought to know better but she probably does not.

partyguinness

For the record I would love to see feckless fathers hunted to the end of the earth and their earnings docked for childcare. The system should be made as easy as possible without the need to go to Court.

Mickey_James

Mickey_James wrote: »

Get an abortion if she doesn't want the baby

So tell a woman to go through a medical procedure rather then wrap it up? What a prince.

Wear a condom, or use your fist, if you don't want to risk getting someone pregnant, instead of expecting her to pay for your fun.

I wonder how many of those on boards who like to throw shame at single mothers, have kids they aren't paying for.

partyguinness

partyguinness wrote: »

Women are the gate keepers.

Gate keepers? What an absolute, cowardly cop out.

No matter how much you would like to divest men of all responsibility for getting women pregnant, it takes two to tango.

If some guy has sex with a woman who already has five kids, he knows there is a possibility of a sixth.

Stop making excuses.

partyguinness

Deleted User wrote: »

Wear a condom, or use your fist, if you don't want to risk getting someone pregnant, instead of expecting her to pay for your fun.

Hold on now tiger..this has taken an unexpected turn. Keep you fetish and kinks off this sacred and learned thread. I suppose after 5-6 kids she could handle a fist.

I think guys would be paying Becky for that type of action.

sbsquarepants

Deleted User wrote: »

Wear a condom, or use your fist, if you don't want to risk getting someone pregnant, instead of expecting her to pay for your fun.

Good advice in theory, but in reality it's Becky who's going to end up pregnant, not whichever random drunk she's entertaining.

Becky really needs to look the fúck out for herself and not be so reliant on the paternal instincts of randomers!

It's certainly not right for blokes to be knocking women up and then doing a runner, but it's not right for someone to come into your house and steal your telly either, it still happens.

With that in mind it's definitely sound advice that you lock your door at night, rather than rely on the neighbourhood junkies to do the decent thing, do you not think?

partyguinness

Deleted User wrote: »

Gate keepers? What an absolute, cowardly cop out.

No matter how much you would like to divest men of all responsibility for getting women pregnant, it takes two to tango.

If some guy has sex with a woman who already has five kids, he knows there is a possibility of a sixth.

Stop making excuses.

The women has allowed herself to get pregnant (I already said it takes two to tango etc etc). But a woman knows full well that she risks pregnancy- the guy does not get pregnant.

Blaming the guys is fine and dandy (and feckless father should be hunted down and made pay) but as I keep saying that is of little use to Becky 9 months later is it?

You really are not living in the real world. You are trying to equalise out a situation that is not equal. Whether you like it or not the position is not equal.

Mickey_James

Deleted User wrote: »

So tell a woman to go through a medical procedure rather then wrap it up? What a prince.

Wear a condom, or use your fist, if you don't want to risk getting someone pregnant, instead of expecting her to pay for your fun.

I wonder how many of those on boards who like to throw shame at single mothers, have kids they aren't paying for.

Their body, their choice.

Women have 3 chances
- say no to spreading their legs
- use contraception
- abortion

no excuses

Allinall

Mickey_James wrote: »

Their body, their choice.

Women have 3 chances
- say no to spreading their legs
- use contraception
- abortion

no excuses

How many chances do fellows have?

ELM327

Mickey_James wrote: »

Their body, their choice.

Women have 3 chances
- say no to spreading their legs
- use contraception
- abortion

no excuses

Their body their choice.

Like it or not, women are the deciding factor here. Take the pill. Men don't get pregnant, women do.

And in the event of "one night stands" which most of these "beckys" seem to have multiples of, it's the woman that's left holding the baby and the taxpayer footing the bill.

ELM327

Allinall wrote: »

How many chances do fellows have?

To get pregnant and be left holding the baby? Zero.

Allinall

ELM327 wrote: »

To get pregnant and be left holding the baby? Zero.

That wasn't the question, as you well know.

weldoninhio

ElJeffe wrote: »

Social housing isn't free. You pay a percentage of your income to the relevant council for rent.

If your income is free (for you) money from the social, then using that free money means the social housing literally costs you nothing, therefore free.

ELM327

Allinall wrote: »

That wasn't the question, as you well know.

Well why don't you ask a second question so.

partyguinness

partyguinness wrote: »

The women has allowed herself to get pregnant (I already said it takes two to tango etc etc). But a woman knows full well that she risks pregnancy- the guy does not get pregnant.

Blaming the guys is fine and dandy (and feckless father should be hunted down and made pay) but as I keep saying that is of little use to Becky 9 months later is it?

You really are not living in the real world. You are trying to equalise out a situation that is not equal. Whether you like it or not the position is not equal.

Do you actually hear yourself? "The guy does not get pregnant" so its simply not a factor for him?

I seriously hope to god you do not have sons and if you do, you are not teaching them this ****e.

And I seriously hope to god you do not have daughters who you would place all the blame (and shame them for it) on their shoulders if they fell pregnant.

partyguinness

partyguinness wrote: »

I have just checked. My public sector buddies who I am referring to are still very much alive and well and still in the public sector and the conversations did not take place 20 years ago....slightly strange statement.

I call pure bollocks on that.

They probably work in a little imaginary office in your mind where PMDS doesn't exist, and increments don't end..... and oh wait, everyone probably takes a half day on Fridays too.

Because the myths you are spouting about the public sector were out of date 20 years ago.

partyguinness

ELM327 wrote: »

Their body their choice.

Like it or not, women are the deciding factor here. Take the pill. Men don't get pregnant, women do.

And in the event of "one night stands" which most of these "beckys" seem to have multiples of, it's the woman that's left holding the baby and the taxpayer footing the bill.

Well that's it. Blame the man and woman equally for the pregnancy. Fine. But it's the woman that gets pregnant not the man. I know its not very feminist or lib but the woman has to exercise more control and has to have a higher standard of care over her own body as she will be left in the ****- not the man.


It is just the hard cold reality- women get pregnant and men do not.