Is anyone paying tax?

wally1990

Claw Hammer wrote: »

Taxi drivers in Dublin used to walk into a tax office in central Dublin and ask "what is the amount you can earn without paying tax?". When told, they would pull out a blank form 11 and write in a figure a fiver less and put in on the counter and say "see you next year".

Had a taxi driver back in the Feb, nice guy and we were chit chatting and I asked was he on Freenow/Mytaxi given they have a lot of the market now and its useful both ways (consumer and taxi driver )

His immediate response was ''hell no, this is a cash game, tell um nothing ''(referring to Revenue)

Declaring very little obviously just to get by.

Dual wheels

KiKi III wrote: »

The greatest trick the right ever pulled was convincing poor people that a different type of poor person is the reason you are poor.

Any of ye see that court case last week where it was found Coca Cola paid 1.4% tax here between 2007-09?

If they - and all the other multinationals - paid anything close to the already low 12.5% headline rate of corporation tax it would seriously boost our coiffures.

Nope if they had to pay higher tax they wouldn’t be here

rdwight

screamer wrote: »

Cash work is not just about tax avoidance. You’d be shocked to know the number of people who get in trades to do something and think it’s fine to haggle with them over the price at the end cause they spent too much on something during the work, or worse, never pay them. It’s nigh on impossible to get paid, the trades people have no recourse and can’t enter the property and remove work. Cheques take time to clear, and people won’t pay upfront, it’s a catch 22.

Doubt this. But anyway, bank transfers can be as quick as handing over cash nowadays.

I always tell tradesmen when they quote for job that I prefer to pay VAT. I tell them it allows me sit in the pub giving out about the state of things without feeling like a hypocrite.

Last plumber I said this to said it wasn't worth his while doing the job if it was going through books. I paid cash.

Stihl waters

rdwight wrote: »

Last plumber I said this to said it wasn't worth his while doing the job if it was going through books. I paid cash.

Did you haggle on the price

I Am The Law

Culture.

Antares35

Antares35 wrote: »

Yes, they can and do, which is what I said. I didn't say it was routine. The courts option is there for anyone who needs to avail of it. Your mental gymnastics do not change that. Enforcement in the event of default is covered by my point about the courts. Do you want me to list every which mechanism by which relief can be availed of? Get off outta that if you need legal advice this isn't the place

I don't need legal advice, or misleading information.

Your original post was misleading and would give anyone reading the impression that "means testing and garnishing of wages at source" was routine in the making of maintenance orders. It's absolutey not. If only it were.

I've been through the Attachment of Earnings process, successfully won an Attachment of Earnings Order, and have first hand experience of exactly what's involved, thanks.

Antares35

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I don't need legal advice, especially not misleading advice, like the type you're giving.

I've been through the process, successfully won an Attachment of Earnings Order, and know whats involved, thanks.

And presumably you used the courts. Thank you for proving my point. Can we move on now please. Yawn.

BTW Nice edit, unfortunately I'm not responsible for you deciding to read in some meaning into my post that simply wasn't there.

Handbags at dawn

tdf7187

This thread makes a welcome change from the usual boards.ie "unemployed people are scum" from the extreme right wing.

Antares35

Antares35 wrote: »

And presumably you used the courts. Thank you for proving my point. Can we move on now please. Yawn.

BTW Nice edit, unfortunately I'm not responsible for you deciding to read in some meaning into my post that simply wasn't there.

I only edited for clarification purposes, which, as far I am aware, is allowed.

Antares35

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I only edited for clarification purposes, which, as far I am aware, is allowed.

You edited it to tell me that my original post said something which it, quite simply, did not. Look I think you're kind of arguing with yourself at this point. We all know that courts can and do make garnishee and attachment of earnings orders. We also know this is not a first instance remedy. I'm sorry if you think my post suggested it is.

Really think we should leave it there now

Antares35

Antares35 wrote: »

You edited it to tell me that my original post said something which it, quite simply, did not. Look I think you're kind of arguing with yourself at this point. We all know that courts can and do make garnishee and attachment of earnings orders. We also know this is not a first instance remedy. I'm sorry if you think my post suggested it is.

Really think we should leave it there now

I clarified my post so it was not misleading to anyone reading.

Antares35 wrote: »

We all know that courts can and do make garnishee and attachment of earnings orders. We also know this is not a first instance remedy. I'm sorry if you think my post suggested it is.

Clearly it is not true to say that "we all know" the details in relation to the making of maintenance and/or attachment orders, and I'd go as far as to say its a bit presumptuous to assume that.

Misleading information in relation to single parents and/or family law is a particular bugbear of mine, so i will correct misleading information where I see it.

So now, I'll leave it there. Go ahead, and have the last word if you really feel you need to.

AndrewJRenko

Dual wheels wrote: »

Nope if they had to pay higher tax they wouldn’t be here

In less than two weeks, Ireland will be the only EU country that gives west coast US companies a two hour overlap within the normal working day.

dxhound2005

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

In less than two weeks, Ireland will be the only EU country that gives west coast US companies a two hour overlap within the normal working day.

Portugal is on the same clock as us?

Antares35

Dual wheels wrote: »

Nope if they had to pay higher tax they wouldn’t be here

I often wondered, what if it increased a bit so we benefitted from that but was till kept low enough that it was an incentive to them?

rdwight

rdwight wrote: »

Last plumber I said this to said it wasn't worth his while doing the job if it was going through books. I paid cash.

Stihl waters wrote: »

Did you haggle on the price

The price he quoted was the cash price. There was no through-the-books price because he wasn't going to do job if not cash.

Apart from this small job I organised a couple of bigger jobs in the last couple of years with different "respectable" trades firms (had web presence, van with name and landline, members of trade guilds etc). In both cases I was given a one quote and then quoted a siginificantly lower price for cash.

dowhatyoulove

Me -worked 39 hours this week - got paid €400 and tax man took €150.. don’t even know if it’s worth me working 😭😭😭😭

Antares35

dowhatyoulove wrote: »

Me -worked 39 hours this week - got paid €400 and tax man took €150.. don’t even know if it’s worth me working 😭😭😭😭

That sounds like an awful lot. Are you sure you're on the right tax credits?

dowhatyoulove

Antares35 wrote: »

That sounds like an awful lot. Are you sure you're on the right tax credits?

I am - hubby is a high earner so this is my money - he pays a lot on tax, like a lot.. Jesus the life we’d live if we didn’t have to pay so much in tax

Antares35

dowhatyoulove wrote: »

I am - hubby is a high earner so this is my money - he pays a lot on tax, like a lot.. Jesus the life we’d live if we didn’t have to pay so much in tax

Yeah but then we wouldn't have that one free dental clean a year to look forward to that we could otherwise never afford

mulbot

dowhatyoulove wrote: »

I am - hubby is a high earner so this is my money - he pays a lot on tax, like a lot.. Jesus the life we’d live if we didn’t have to pay so much in tax

Is he PAYE or self employed

KiKi III

mulbot wrote: »

Is he PAYE or self employed

Do you have his PPS number handy? And what’s your own maiden name, just out of interest?

mulbot

KiKi III wrote: »

Do you have his PPS number handy? And what’s your own maiden name, just out of interest?

What

Jinglejangle69

Stihl waters wrote: »

The vat is included in original price, when I give people the price the majority off them ask for a cash price, I then say it is a cash price and tell them vat is plus, if they agree to original price without asking for cash price I just let it roll and write my invoice, either way I'm covered, they think they're getting a deal and everyone is happy

Ah right so them just pay the VAT?

I get it.

sbsquarepants

dowhatyoulove wrote: »

Me -worked 39 hours this week - got paid €400 and tax man took €150.. don’t even know if it’s worth me working ��������

Doesn't sound right (or did you just spell taxi man wrong:D)


I guessed you're single and under 65 and put your details into deloittes tax calculator. You should have come out with €379 after tax.

arctictree

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Doesn't sound right (or did you just spell taxi man wrong:D)


I guessed you're single and under 65 and put your details into deloittes tax calculator. You should have come out with €379 after tax.

Her husband probably uses all her tax credits and cut off points. So anything she earns is on the full higher rate....

Vestiapx

dowhatyoulove wrote: »

I am - hubby is a high earner so this is my money - he pays a lot on tax, like a lot.. Jesus the life we’d live if we didn’t have to pay so much in tax

Country would be a bleak and desolate place without tax.

Vestiapx

arctictree wrote: »

Her husband probably uses all her tax credits and cut off points. So anything she earns is on the full higher rate....

She has her own prsi credit but he has her personal credit and her cut off.

ELM327

Vestiapx wrote: »

Country would be a bleak and desolate place without tax.

I disagree, it would be a greater place with less tax and more optimization.
We could easily shave millions off the HSE bill and billions off the DSP bill. But of course because of unions and populist politicians it will never happen.

ELM327

ELM327 wrote: »

I disagree, it would be a greater place with less tax and more optimization.
We could easily shave millions off the HSE bill and billions off the DSP bill. But of course because of unions and populist politicians it will never happen.

Ah that didnt take long did it? Private medicine, works great for the people in the US where doctors are wealthy.

Throw in education as well while you are at it.

And as for those unions, lets start with the largest unions that like to take industrial action, both are private sector though so that might not work out for ya

Niner leprauchan

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Ah that didnt take long did it? Private medicine, works great for the people in the US where doctors are wealthy.

Throw in education as well while you are at it.

And as for those unions, lets start with the largest unions that like to take industrial action, both are private sector though so that might not work out for ya

Yes, glad you agree with his point. Private healthcare is fantastic and I know for a fact you would use it if you have it rather than wait for a HSE appointment.

You're right unions should have no place in a democratic society. There are laws and procedures in place to ensure workers are not treated unfairly or put in danger.

AndrewJRenko

dowhatyoulove wrote: »

I am - hubby is a high earner so this is my money - he pays a lot on tax, like a lot.. Jesus the life we’d live if we didn’t have to pay so much in tax

The life indeed - no schools, no publicly funded healthcare (the ones that pick up the tab when the private healthcare institutions have stopped cherrypicking the manageable cases), no parks, no roads, no controls on the products on the shelf.

salonfire wrote: »

You're right unions should have no place in a democratic society. There are laws and procedures in place to ensure workers are not treated unfairly or put in danger.

Can we assume that you don't enjoy any of the benefits that have been hard fought and hard earned by trade unions over the years - none of the extra public holidays or paid annual leave, none of the employment safety benefits, none of the unfair dismissal benefits?

Hellotonever

Pataman wrote: »

You are right, sure who needs hospitals, transport, community health, street lighting etc

Did you hear about the children's hospital thats about to cost 3.4 billion euros?

Im actually surprised that people here are still willing to pay tax after such obvious corruption by the government. Actually really surprised people aren't storming Leinster house and stringing politicians up on gallows

AndrewJRenko

Hellotonever wrote: »

Did you hear about the children's hospital thats about to cost 3.4 billion euros?

Im actually surprised that people here are still willing to pay tax after such obvious corruption by the government.

What corruption is involved in the NCH please?

end of the road

salonfire wrote: »

Yes, glad you agree with his point. Private healthcare is fantastic and I know for a fact you would use it if you have it rather than wait for a HSE appointment.

You're right unions should have no place in a democratic society. There are laws and procedures in place to ensure workers are not treated unfairly or put in danger.

private health care in ireland is decent yes, however, it only deals with the optional stuff, or the bits it wants, with the necessary and the bits they don't want sent to the HSE to deal with.
there is a massive difference between it and a privatized health care system which would be a basket case.
laws and procedures need enforcement, unions do this at no cost to the tax payer and the members who choose to be the union pay the costs associated with the activity.
some employers do break those laws and procedures, hence the need for unions.
oh and by the way, every single procedure and law and protection you have, you got because of trade unions, if it wasn't for them, you would have jot all.

AndrewJRenko

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Can we assume that you don't enjoy any of the benefits that have been hard fought and hard earned by trade unions over the years - none of the extra public holidays or paid annual leave, none of the employment safety benefits, none of the unfair dismissal benefits?

We have advanced safety, standards and quality in food, transport, medical, the environment, justice, etc all without the input of unions. But you would think we'd still be sending children down t'mines 7 days a week with the same labour standards of the last century only for unions ? Because I don't.

And to answer your question: no. I have negotiated a substantial salary increase this year - meaning I am earning well above the minimum wage and I secured an increase in Annual Leave, leaving me 50% more AL than the minimum; without having to involve a union. I'm more than confident I could have negotiated weekends off as well as extra safety precautions if it came to that.

end of the road

end of the road wrote: »

private health care in ireland is decent yes, however, it only deals with the optional stuff, or the bits it wants, with the necessary and the bits they don't want sent to the HSE to deal with.

That's a great idea!

Reduce the size of the HSE - leaving it with the bits Private Healthcare will not provide - thereby reducing the cost of the HSE and the amount of work it has to manage. Maybe then it might resemble a functioning entity proving emergency and basic care whilst the rest of us could receive actual healthcare rather than waiting on some list somewhere.

Or if your ideology is so important to you; for example, you continue to go blind on an HSE waiting list for cataracts while I will actually get treatment privately. Thanks for letting me skip ahead of you!!

Hellotonever

Hellotonever wrote: »

Did you hear about the children's hospital thats about to cost 3.4 billion euros?

Im actually surprised that people here are still willing to pay tax after such obvious corruption by the government. Actually really surprised people aren't storming Leinster house and stringing politicians up on gallows

Wait till you hear what was proposed this week that will cost another two Children's Hospitals, with overruns, within next 10 years. You'll pass out with rage!

Spending in public sector pay is going to cost an extra billion per year.

I wouldn't worry about a couple of billion on a Hospital that will last the next 100 years. To pay the larges of the public sector will cost us the equivalent of the Hospital every three/four years forever.

end of the road

salonfire wrote: »

We have advanced safety, standards and quality in food, transport, medical, the environment, justice, etc all without the input of unions. But you would think we'd still be sending children down t'mines 7 days a week with the same labour standards of the last century only for unions ? Because I don't.

And to answer your question: no. I have negotiated a substantial salary increase this year - meaning I am earning well above the minimum wage and I secured an increase in Annual Leave, leaving me 50% more AL than the minimum; without having to involve a union. I'm more than confident I could have negotiated weekends off as well as extra safety precautions if it came to that.

unions will have had input into standards and safety in transport. quite a lot of it in fact.
you were able to negotiate what you were indirectly because of unions, because there are unions and unionised work places, other employers who may be non-unionised would like to keep their staff so may be willing to work with their employees so that they won't move elsewhere.

salonfire wrote: »

That's a great idea!

Reduce the size of the HSE - leaving it with the bits Private Healthcare will not provide - thereby reducing the cost of the HSE and the amount of work it has to manage. Maybe then it might resemble a functioning entity proving emergency and basic care whilst the rest of us could receive actual healthcare rather than waiting on some list somewhere.

Or if you're ideology is so important to you; for example, you continue to go blind on an HSE waiting list for cataracts while I will actually get treatment privately. Thanks for letting me skip ahead of you!!

the bits private health care don't want are the majority, so the HSE would still be left with the majority of issues hence no reduced bill or reduced
anything.
there is a reason most countries have a public health system in the public sector, because even with disfunction and mismanagement it still works out cheaper as a whole.

end of the road

salonfire wrote: »

Wait till you hear what was proposed this week that will cost another two Children's Hospitals, with overruns, within next 10 years. You'll pass out with rage!

Spending in public sector pay is going to cost an extra billion per year.

I wouldn't worry about a couple of billion on a Hospital that will last the next 100 years. To pay the larges of the public sector will cost us the equivalent of the Hospital every three/four years forever.

a billion is quite small given the vast amount of work that the public sector is involved in, and the amount of staff needed to insure the work is done.
and even then parts of it are understaffed.

Hellotonever

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

What corruption is involved in the NCH please?

3.4 billion eu for a hospital is a scam. No two ways about it. And no, being 'legal' doesnt mean its not a scam. Land scams are the most prolific and legal ways of scamming.

end of the road

end of the road wrote: »

a billion is quite small given the vast amount of work that the public sector is involved in, and the amount of staff needed to insure the work is done.
and even then parts of it are understaffed.

Oh, ok. So you agree the outrage of a billion at the Children's Hospital is neither here nor there.

end of the road

salonfire wrote: »

Oh, ok. So you agree the outrage of a billion at the Children's Hospital is neither here nor there.

no, i don't agree or disagree that the genuine concern about a billion over the children's hospital is neither here nor there because i don't know whether it is or isn't.

dxhound2005

Hellotonever wrote: »

3.4 billion eu for a hospital is a scam. No two ways about it. And no, being 'legal' doesnt mean its not a scam. Land scams are the most prolific and legal ways of scamming.

Where did you get the €3.4 billion figure from?

Hellotonever

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Where did you get the €3.4 billion figure from?

it was on RTE news - it will cost an extra 1.4 billion on top of what it already cost now.

Its a scam. Follow the paper trail. Someone somewhere owns a shell company that holds stock in BAM or someone goes golfing with an executive. Its such blatant corruption.

ExMachina1000

salonfire wrote: »

Wait till you hear what was proposed this week that will cost another two Children's Hospitals, with overruns, within next 10 years. You'll pass out with rage!

Spending in public sector pay is going to cost an extra billion per year.

I wouldn't worry about a couple of billion on a Hospital that will last the next 100 years. To pay the larges of the public sector will cost us the equivalent of the Hospital every three/four years forever.

And that right there is the reason I will continue to work for cash and also pay others in cash wherever possible .

Keyzer

Allinall wrote: »

Knowingly facilitating tax evasion is as bad as tax evasion itself.

Nonsense... If the government actually spent tax revenues properly instead of pissing most of it away then I'd agree with you.

They don't, so I disagree 100%.

end of the road

end of the road wrote: »

no, i don't agree or disagree that the genuine concern about a billion over the children's hospital is neither here nor there because i don't know whether it is or isn't.

But you said a billion is a small amount so who cares about a couple of billion on a Hospital that will last for next 100 years.

To put it in context with increases in PS pay with nothing in return, the Hospital is peanuts.

ExMachina1000

Keyzer wrote: »

Nonsense... If the government actually spent tax revenues properly instead of pissing most of it away then I'd agree with you.

They don't, so I disagree 100%.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/children-in-need-of-mri-under-general-anaesthesia-waiting-4-7-years-1.4425901

What are they doing with the tens of billions a year?

Children waiting up to 7 Years for an mri scan under anaesthetic in crumblin hospital
A new mri machine costs 1 million euro. A pittance.

dowhatyoulove

Vestiapx wrote: »

She has her own prsi credit but he has her personal credit and her cut off.

Correct gotta love the tax man