Pornhub

km991148

and thats it - there should be absolutely nothing wrong with porn amongst consenting adults. All porn, extreme fantasy stuff, all of it should be able to be acted out as long as no one gets hurt.

But as always, people being the sumbags that they are, where there is a market, there is exploitation. And this is a big unregulated market.

GreeBo

I think it's very wrong that some payment providers can basically shutdown a legal business. Could an electrical company do the same? How about a hosting company? Where is the line exactly?

PopZiggy

Gruffalux wrote: »

Classy place to hang out. It's owners have all made hundreds of millions from the cesspit of a site.

Did you know 30% of pornhub users are ladies? Also, the porn industry is the one industry totally blowing away the gender pay gap, in fact, actresses are paid multiples more than men in the industry and have far more casting opportunities. I wouldn't be so critical of the website.

Gruffalux

PopZiggy wrote: »

Did you know 30% of pornhub users are ladies? Also, the porn industry is the one industry totally blowing away the gender pay gap, in fact, actresses are paid multiples more than men in the industry and have far more casting opportunities. I wouldn't be so critical of the website.

I don't care about all the wonderful things on Pornhub.
I don't care if ladies watch or if ladies get equal pay for porn.
Don't give one crap.
I only care that for years now Pornhub - and boy, does Pornhub seem popular around here - has been hosting many rape videos, and underage abuse videos. It has been a welll known fact. I knew about it for ages and I don't know about a lot of stuff.
Victims have regularly begged the website to take down the videos that show them being raped and abused. And it is only when credit card companies withdraw their privileges that Pornhub decides to take measures that will purge actual real rape content on their incredibly lucrative and popular platform.
Fcuk 'em, I say. And I will criticise them all the way to the moon.

Gruffalux

GreeBo wrote: »

I think it's very wrong that some payment providers can basically shutdown a legal business. Could an electrical company do the same? How about a hosting company? Where is the line exactly?

Hosting rape videos is not a legal business.
And they did not shut down the business as some form of pseudo regulation enforcers. The credit card companies just basically said (finally) we don't want to facilitate a platform that hosts rape videos.

PopZiggy

Gruffalux wrote: »

I don't care about all the wonderful things on Pornhub.
I don't care if ladies watch or if ladies get equal pay for porn.
Don't give one crap.

Frankly, it's sickening, that considering women have worked so hard for equal pay, and in the one industry where their pay is far outstripping their male counterparts, and by multiples in fact, you are lambasting it.

Fck em indeed.

Gruffalux

https://twitter.com/LailaMickelwait/status/1339365673697349635?s=20

PopZiggy

Just wondering, who made the NY Times the police, judge and jury?

GreeBo

GreeBo wrote: »

I think it's very wrong that some payment providers can basically shutdown a legal business. Could an electrical company do the same? How about a hosting company? Where is the line exactly?

If they were facilitating the viewing of a single child or adult rape, they should face criminal charges. They were negligent in not knowing or not caring
Thankfully someone brought them to heel.

cdeb

PopZiggy wrote: »

Frankly, it's sickening, that considering women have worked so hard for equal pay, and in the one industry where their pay is far outstripping their male counterparts, and by multiples in fact, you are lambasting it.

Fck em indeed.

I'm not sure what your point is here?

This is a site which has been hosting exploitative videos, including underage porn and rape.

What has the rate of pay of the (non-amateur) people involved got to do with anything?

I can't imagine those in the dodgy stuff were paid anything. And if they were, it hardly justifies it

46 Long

Gruffalux wrote: »

A comparison. I often hear it said that if you smoke weed, take drugs (which I don't) you are complicit in a savage industry that causes death and poverty and violence etc. But it is not said much that if you get your sexual release watching content on a website that hosted up to 2 days ago a huge amount of rape videos and abuse of underage and unconscious or even kidnapped people, you are not at all complicit. I wonder why Pornhub has gotten such a free pass for so many years?

Of course most users of the platform are not complicit in rape/underage videos. Are all YouTube users guilty of supporting terrorism because someone somewhere has uploaded an ISIS beheading video ? Are all Facebook users complicit in racist memes uploaded there?

PopZiggy

46 Long wrote: »

Of course most users of the platform are not complicit in rape/underage videos. Are all YouTube users guilty of supporting terrorism because someone somewhere has uploaded an ISIS beheading video ? Are all Facebook users complicit in racist memes uploaded there?

Yes. And I assume those sick child porn b@stards also share images via Gmail or other platforms, does that make all gmail users culpable?

Gruffalux

46 Long wrote: »

Of course most users of the platform are not complicit in rape/underage videos. Are all YouTube users guilty of supporting terrorism because someone somewhere has uploaded an ISIS beheading video ? Are all Facebook users complicit in racist memes uploaded there?

That is a good point, I grant you.
It just makes me feel cross when people are so casual about sex abuse. But I was also cross when I heard about beheading videos on Youtube.


Just posting the NYT article that prompted the credit card companies to respond -
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/04/opinion/sunday/pornhub-rape-trafficking.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

PopZiggy

PopZiggy wrote: »

Yes. And I assume those sick child porn b@stards also share images via Gmail or other platforms, does that make all gmail users culpable?

No, but would you bring your, ahem, 'business' elsewhere, if your favourite ****.com knowingly hosted child rape?

I'd have nothing to do with them.

PopZiggy

Gruffalux wrote: »

That is a good point, I grant you.
It just makes me feel cross when people are so casual about sex abuse. But I was also cross when I heard about beheading videos on Youtube.


Just posting the NYT article that prompted the credit card companies to respond -
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/04/opinion/sunday/pornhub-rape-trafficking.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

People aren't casual, it's just that due to a tiny proportion of videos the vast majority of content has been removed.

I will admit I have seen what looks like younger women on the site in the thumbnail sections and I steer well clear. It gives me a bit of comfort now to know there are stricter measures to ensure there is no underage stuff, but it just seems like cracking a nut with a sledgehammer.

I'd actually urge you to join 32% of the female colleagues and have a browse, just remember to turn on incognito mode.

McGinniesta

3 million videos should be enough to sort your mickey out for a couple of months.

Gruffalux

PopZiggy wrote: »

People aren't casual, it's just that due to a tiny proportion of videos the vast majority of content has been removed.

I will admit I have seen what looks like younger women on the site and I steer well clear. It gives me a bit of comfort now to know there are stricter measures to ensure there is underage stuff, but it just seems like cracking a nut with a sledgehammer.

I'd actually urge you to join 32% of the female colleagues and have a browse, just remember to turn on incognito mode.

I am sorry if the vast majority of content being removed inconveniences you. It is just to try and weed out the raping and the sex trafficking. I trust the remaining 20% of content is satisfactory for you. If you watch only one minute in quick succession of each of the 3 million remaining videos it will take you 6 years non stop viewing with no sleep or pee breaks. Best of luck, though I urge you to have fortifying snacks available.
Hopefully fresh faces will also be along soon from verified and fully consenting adult providers and participants and that should help keep the following years a happy time.

PopZiggy

Gruffalux wrote: »

Hopefully fresh faces will also be along soon from verified and fully consenting adult providers and participants and that should help keep the following years a happy time.

Looking forward to it Gruff

Wibbs

Gruffalux wrote: »

If you watch only one minute in quick succession of each of the 3 million remaining videos it will take you 6 years non stop viewing with no sleep or pee breaks. Best of luck, though I urge you to have fortifying snacks available.

Kraftwerk

GreeBo wrote: »

I think it's very wrong that some payment providers can basically shutdown a legal business. Could an electrical company do the same? How about a hosting company? Where is the line exactly?

What's wrong about it? There's many ways to sell your goods and services. Individual payment providers are under no obligation to provide you with a service. And definitely not under any obligation to provide a service when they feel doing do is at odds with their own values and branding and potential detrimental to their business. What legitimate business outside of porn sites want to be associated with disgusting, despicable content?

And of course a hosting company could also drop you like a hot snot if you're found with child porn on your site. Some hosting companies won't even allow porn full stop. They just don't want to be associated with it or deal with the legal hassle of notices of illegal or disputed content.

The problem is most of them and most sites like Pornhub don't care about that content and turn a blind eye to it which is exactly what Pornhub have done and the reason they've nuked 80% of their content. They have no idea what's legitimate and what's not, they've been allowing everything. They were making money and couldn't give a **** what's uploaded. They're only doing something about it now because they're finding it hard to do business and the bottom line is impacted.

Personally I think its great that PayPal, visa etc arent allowing their services to be be used by companies profiting from rape porn and exploitation etc. But maybe I'm old fashioned..

Gruffalux

Gruffalux wrote: »

I only care that for years now Pornhub... has been hosting many rape videos, and underage abuse videos. It has been a welll known fact. I knew about it for ages and I don't know about a lot of stuff.

So is Facebook. And Reddit. And Twitter. And pretty much every online media platform that allows users to upload their own content. Even on boards it's happened that some people would spam the site with blowjob videos or the likes when it's night time and mods are less likely to be active.



PornHub themselves aren't the devil here, in my opinion. They host a lot of good porn, but when you have user-created content then you get some bad porn in there, too.

I've never uploaded to PornHub before, but it seems that the step they've taken here is one in the right direction. By needing to verify yourself, you are responsible for your content and can, assuming you upload some rape or such, be found and punished accordingly.

I presume verification of your account was always just an optional thing (hence so many videos still being available even after they've deleted all the unverified stuff).

I feel you're away off on a rant about PornHub itself, rather than the bad users who used the platform for reasons that they shouldn't have done (much like Faecbook, Twitter and such).

Gruffalux

Kraftwerk wrote: »

What's wrong about it? There's many ways to sell your goods and services. Individual payment providers are under no obligation to provide you with a service. And definitely not under any obligation to provide a service when they feel doing do is at odds with their own values and branding and potential detrimental to their business. What legitimate business outside of porn sites want to be associated with disgusting, despicable content?

And of course a hosting company could also drop you like a hot snot if you're found with child porn on your site. Some hosting companies won't even allow porn full stop. They just don't want to be associated with it or deal with the legal hassle of notices of illegal or disputed content.

The problem is most of them and most sites like Pornhub don't care about that content and turn a blind eye to it which is exactly what Pornhub have done and the reason they've nuked 80% of their content. They have no idea what's legitimate and what's not, they've been allowing everything. They were making money and couldn't give a **** what's uploaded. They're only doing something about it now because they're finding it hard to do business and the bottom line is impacted.

Personally I think its great that PayPal, visa etc arent allowing their services to be be used by companies profiting from rape porn and exploitation etc. But maybe I'm old fashioned..

This part in the article caught my attention

Mindgeek’s moderators are charged with filtering out videos of children, but its business model profits from sex videos starring young people.

“The goal for a content moderator is to let as much content as possible go through,” a former Mindgeek employee told me. He said he believed that the top executives weren’t evil but were focused above all on maximizing revenue.

While Pornhub would not tell me how many moderators it employs, I interviewed one who said that there are about 80 worldwide who work on Mindgeek sites (by comparison, Facebook told me it has 15,000 moderators). With 1.36 million new hours of video uploaded a year to Pornhub, that means that each moderator would have to review hundreds of hours of content each week.

The moderators fast forward through videos, but it’s often difficult to assess whether a person is 14 or 18, or whether torture is real or fake. Most of the underage content involves teenagers, the moderator I spoke with said, but some comes from spy cams in toilets or changing rooms and shows children only 8 to 12.

“The job in itself is soul-destroying,” the moderator said.
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I don't know if it could possibly be true they only had 80 moderators for the 10th most visited site in the world - a site based on user content. Boards probably has more! That seems like absolute dereliction of duty.

Gruffalux

Deleted User wrote: »

So is Facebook. And Reddit. And Twitter. And pretty much every online media platform that allows users to upload their own content. Even on boards it's happened that some people would spam the site with blowjob videos or the likes when it's night time and mods are less likely to be active.

Well I have ranted before about MAPs and NoMaps on Twitter but I can't rant about everything. There has to be time left over for... other things.

bur

"Paid prostitution is rape"

Is it?

joseywhales

People pay for porn? There is a sea of free porn!

suicide_circus

bur wrote: »

"Paid prostitution is rape"

Is it?

Penetration is Violation

Gruffalux

suicide_circus wrote: »

Penetration is Violation

Put down the Dworkin book, SC, and back away slowly.

Robert ninja

This is just payment processors using their power. I have no doubt there's some stock market play here. They don't care about the underage content on the site. If they did they would've stopped doing business with Instagram and Facebook long ago as the most dangerous places for kids in regards to grooming, illegal porn sharing and abuse.

Valresnick

Ok so can we have verification processes for the other larger user generated platforms too ? Look at Twitter, some absolutely horrible stuff uploaded. Pornhub was low hanging fruit. It’s good that illegal content was removed but let’s face it social media sites host far worse and zero is being done to regulate them.

Gruffalux

Valresnick wrote: »

Ok so can we have verification processes for the other larger user generated platforms too ? Look at Twitter, some absolutely horrible stuff uploaded. Pornhub was low hanging fruit. It’s good that illegal content was removed but let’s face it social media sites host far worse and zero is being done to regulate them.

That would be good. Wouldn't it. Has to start somewhere.
There seems to be a hate speech law being pushed here in Ireland re social media. It would be more useful and real to have a concerted drive against illegal content on social media - but I don't hear about that.
Make the platforms liable for what they host. Liable to be sued. I hear Pornhub is being sued.
It could be a big job creation area too. Moderators, lots of them. We are always told tech reduces jobs. Well here is an area where tech could increase jobs.