COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 2 [Mod Warning - Post #1]

Irish Stones

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Might need to have a word with your PM so.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-vaccine-idUSKBN29415B

"We are not considering (making it mandatory), we rule it out," Conte told reporters at his year-end news conference

I know you may not care the less, but in a today's interview, the Minister for Health announced the timeline for the vaccine in this country, and his interview ended with the words "by the end of August we'll have finished the roll out on voluntary basis"... letting people understand that after that date the rest of the public that haven't taken the vaccine voluntarily will be obliged to take it.
I believe that other countries could have the same plans if their citizens aren't persuaded enough.

Beasty

Irish Stones wrote: »

letting people understand that after that date the rest of the public that haven't taken the vaccine voluntarily will be obliged to take it.

Take it to Conspiracy Theories

JacksonHeightsOwn

nommm wrote: »

https://twitter.com/megtirrell/status/1346868201951555588?s=21

Janssen on track for EUA in the US by the end of January. Should mean that we get it in February. Maybe we’ll get some interim results next week? They seem be released on Mondays to coincide with the markets.

Am I right in thinking that novavax phase 3 trial is only starting and it only has 3000 volunteers? Surely that's wrong, if they're planning on releasing their results soon, then presumably they've been running phase 3 trials for quite some time, right?

Sky King

Irish Stones wrote: »

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I believe that other countries could have the same plans if their citizens aren't persuaded enough.

I'm probably wasting my time here but anyway: politicians have consistently said vaccines won't be mandatory. Consistently.

When they talk about 'voluntary' vaccination they mean anyone who wants it outside of a priority group.

ACitizenErased

Not sure if anyone mentioned it now but unfortunately we now meet the perfect criteria for a Phase 3 trial. Massive disease.

chrisbonnie

chrisbonnie wrote: »

Am I right in thinking that novavax phase 3 trial is only starting and it only has 3000 volunteers? Surely that's wrong, if they're planning on releasing their results soon, then presumably they've been running phase 3 trials for quite some time, right?

That is in the US. The UK trial has been running since September

franciscanpunk

Irish Stones wrote: »

I know you may not care the less, but in a today's interview, the Minister for Health announced the timeline for the vaccine in this country, and his interview ended with the words "by the end of August we'll have finished the roll out on voluntary basis"... letting people understand that after that date the rest of the public that haven't taken the vaccine voluntarily will be obliged to take it.
I believe that other countries could have the same plans if their citizens aren't persuaded enough.

There is no way any reasonable person would take up that meaning, it simply means anyone who wants one by August will have one.

Here is the thing though, people dont seem to see how far away that is. Allowing for it to take affect we are talking 9 minths fro. now. The crises started here only a little over 9 months ago, barely half way there.

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MerlinSouthDub

chrisbonnie wrote: »

Am I right in thinking that novavax phase 3 trial is only starting and it only has 3000 volunteers? Surely that's wrong, if they're planning on releasing their results soon, then presumably they've been running phase 3 trials for quite some time, right?

The 3000 refers to the US Novavax trial. There is also a UK trial which was fully enrolled with 15000 people in November.

ShineOn7

Post from a regular, sensible regular on Reddit Ireland

The vaccine will be rolled out to only 2.7% of the population by March. By end of April this might be up to 7%, depending on just how fast the various vaccines come in.

If we are really lucky we might hit 30% by the end of the year.

We need 70% for herd immunity.

We need Oxford

opinionated3

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Post from a regular, sensible regular on Reddit Ireland



We need Oxford

Is that because of a vaccine shortage/delays in delivery or is it due to incompetence/lack of urgency on the part of the HSE. Vaccine is being distributed 24/7 in Israel now, program to be completely finished end of February. Where are we going wrong?

ACitizenErased

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Post from a regular, sensible regular on Reddit Ireland



We need Oxford

I don't agree with that poster tbh.
MacCraith has made it clear that anyone who wants a vaccine will have it by August.

Azatadine

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I don't agree with that poster tbh.
MacCraith has made it clear that anyone who wants a vaccine will have it by August.

The poster was probably Jerry McConkey Ryan Staines Killeen

CIARAN_BOYLE

opinionated3 wrote: »

Is that because of a vaccine shortage/delays in delivery or is it due to incompetence/lack of urgency on the part of the HSE. Vaccine is being distributed 24/7 in Israel now, program to be completely finished end of February. Where are we going wrong?

Procurement.

Israel got a lot more vaccine than we did and ordering early.

Small country out bidding every one else rather than a small country in a big coalition ordering late and paying the asking price.

landofthetree

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Procurement.

Israel got a lot more vaccine than we did and ordering early.

Small country out bidding very one else rather than a small country in a big coalition ordering late.

We saved money I was told on here and we would be screwed if we weren't in the EU.

PUP payments at 200-350 a week seems more expensive to me.

ACitizenErased

The HSE bashing on here is getting tiresome tbh

statesaver

Are they releasing the daily vaccination fixtures yet ?

If not why not ?

JacksonHeightsOwn

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

The 3000 refers to the US Novavax trial. There is also a UK trial which was fully enrolled with 15000 people in November.

Thanks for that,

Any idea how many the EU have actually ordered?

CIARAN_BOYLE

landofthetree wrote: »

We saved money I was told on here and we would be screwed if we weren't in the EU.

PUP payments at 200-350 a week seems more expensive to me.

Did you know last March that Pfizer would be the lead vaccine?

If you didn't know then you are in the same shoes as the rest of us. The EU made a diversified gamble on a number of options.

If they could go in today and say give us 300 million doses for 40 euro each they would. Unfortunately contracts are signed by now.

If Pfizer did more than a single special deal (like Israel) every country would be out bidding each other. We would have less than we do I'd say.

MerlinSouthDub

chrisbonnie wrote: »

Thanks for that,

Any idea how many the EU have actually ordered?

As far as I can tell, they have not actually finalised a deal with the EU yet. But the latest report suggests 100 million doses plus an option for 100 million more

CIARAN_BOYLE

statesaver wrote: »

Are they releasing the daily vaccination fixtures yet ?

If not why not ?

MM said today that the HSE would be releasing weekly totals at their press briefings.

statesaver

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

MM said today that the HSE would be releasing weekly totals at their press briefings.

Excellent. It'll be nice to get some good news for once.

nommm

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Post from a regular, sensible regular on Reddit Ireland



We need Oxford

We don’t need Oxford, we just need other vaccines. Plenty more coming along alongside increased production of other highly efficacious vaccines. Don’t understand the obsession with Oxford at all.

MerlinSouthDub

nommm wrote: »

We don’t need Oxford, we just need other vaccines. Don’t understand the obsession with Oxford at all.

We do need higher volumes of some vaccine though, and soon. Any of Oxford, J & J or Novavax would do. Oxford has been approved in the UK and seems very suitable for mass distribution to those under 60, with Pfizer/Moderna reserved for those at higher risk.

Gael23

We have confirmed as many positive cases since Christmas as we have in the previous 7 months.

Sobering statistic

Van.Bosch

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Where did you see those figures?

Sorry - should have said “for example”

nommm

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

We do need higher volumes of some vaccine though, and soon. Any of Oxford, J & J or Novavax would do. Oxford has been approved in the UK and seems very suitable for mass distribution to those under 60, with Pfizer/Moderna reserved for those at higher risk.

Well yes obviously, I just find the Oxford obsession a bit strange. The other vaccines will come. Remember its less than 2 months since Pfizer came along, things will start to move very quick, very soon.

Melanchthon

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Did you know last March that Pfizer would be the lead vaccine?

If you didn't know then you are in the same shoes as the rest of us. The EU made a diversified gamble on a number of options.

If they could go in today and say give us 300 million doses for 40 euro each they would. Unfortunately contracts are signed by now.

If Pfizer did more than a single special deal (like Israel) every country would be out bidding each other. We would have less than we do I'd say.

We didn't know that then, at that stage astra zeneca looked to be in the lead, what we did know however was by October/November that the Oxford / astra zeneca trial was not likely to fullfil the requirements of the EMA, so either EMA should have lowered their trial standards due to the urgent need and at a minimum the fact it drops hospital admittance (see UK) or other orders should have been bulked up.
The issues with the trial were all over the media it wasn't secret.

nommm

https://investors.modernatx.com/news-releases/news-release-details/european-commission-authorizes-covid-19-vaccine-moderna-europe

Deliveries from Moderna to begin to Europe next week from their ‘dedicated non US supply’.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Melanchthon wrote: »

We didn't know that then, at that stage astra zeneca looked to be in the lead, what we did know however was by October/November that the Oxford / astra zeneca trial was not likely to fullfil the requirements of the EMA, so either EMA should have lowered their trial standards due to the urgent need and at a minimum the fact it drops hospital admittance (see UK) or other orders should have been bulked up.
The issues with the trial were all over the media it wasn't secret.

They were. It was too late to do it properly.

GazzaL

Has there been any confirmation that the essential frontline workers in chippers, Chinese takeaways, off licences, etc. will be prioritised for vaccinations?