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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 2 [Mod Warning - Post #1]

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    #3242
    Van.Bosch
    Registered Users Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    gally74 wrote: »
    35K was the target this week, so again v poor, to be honest shocking poor,

    This is a pandemic... and we are so far behind,

    It’s only Thursday?


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    #3243
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    We don't have the supply to do more than that.

    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1347187494153031682?s=20


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    #3244
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users Posts: 11,670 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1347187494153031682?s=20
    We've received 80k. 35k done this week. Second dose is 70k total. We can do max of 5k more than 35k this week.


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    #3245
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,264 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    gally74 wrote: »
    35K was the target this week, so again v poor, to be honest shocking poor,

    This is a pandemic... and we are so far behind,

    It still is this week and its Thursday, 35k is by Sunday. No reason that shouldn't be reached


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    #3246
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    I also expect Reid's figures are at least a day behind. That 15,000 isn't the number completed by lunchtime today.


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    #3247
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,264 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    AdamD wrote: »
    81,900 doses received.

    15,314 doses administered to date - aim is 35,000 by end of the week.

    Not overly impressed by that

    How ? 50% held back for second dose, there's about 5k more that could be done within current capacity which is what it raises to next week.


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    #3248
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    We've received 80k. 35k done this week. Second dose is 70k total. We can do max of 5k more than 35k this week.

    Sorry, yep, I agree - thought the numbers were good to show that theres an element of receive -> deliver -> administer whereas people assume it's a matter of vaccines landing from abroad directly airdropped into hospitals or nursing homes.


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    #3249
    AdamD
    Registered Users Posts: 12,626 ✭✭✭✭AdamD


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    We've received 80k. 35k done this week. Second dose is 70k total. We can do max of 5k more than 35k this week.

    We can do a max of 5k more if we're deciding to fully hold back all second doses. Which is definitely up for debate.

    Either way, we have the supply for 5k more which is 14% more that isn't being distributed. Our standards are going to need to be higher than that going forward.


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    #3250
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 17,993 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    So will they determine who is in each group going by their GPs and, otherwise, it's self elective? Presumably this could miss a few people (somehow!) particularly if, for whatever reason, some older at risk folk don't have an active GP.


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    #3251
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users Posts: 11,670 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    AdamD wrote: »
    We can do a max of 5k more if we're deciding to fully hold back all second doses. Which is definitely up for debate.

    Either way, we have the supply for 5k more which is 14% more that isn't being distributed. Our standards are going to need to be higher than that going forward.
    Maybe, just maybe, they've kept 5k back in case of logistical failure, issue with cooling, issue in specific areas, etc??

    You'd rather we kept 0 as a failsafe?


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    #3252
    gally74
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,997 ✭✭✭gally74


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    We don't have the supply to do more than that.

    not true


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    #3253
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users Posts: 11,670 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    gally74 wrote: »
    not true
    Do expand


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    #3254
    AdamD
    Registered Users Posts: 12,626 ✭✭✭✭AdamD


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Maybe, just maybe, they've kept 5k back in case of logistical failure, issue with cooling, issue in specific areas, etc??

    You'd rather we kept 0 as a failsafe?

    They've kept 45k back, so no I do not think that '5k' has been kept back for that reason.


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    #3255
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users Posts: 11,670 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    AdamD wrote: »
    They've kept 45k back, so no I do not think that '5k' has been kept back for that reason.
    For the second doses..........
    They literally said they're doing that until the Pfizer supply chain is secure.
    You're clutching now, to be fair.


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    #3256
    XsApollo
    Registered Users Posts: 2,455 ✭✭✭XsApollo


    smurfjed wrote: »
    This is a vaccine discussion, political garbage and rantings are that way >>>>

    Don’t compare Ireland to that Sh*thole totally different.


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    #3257
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 17,993 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    AdamD wrote: »
    They've kept 45k back, so no I do not think that '5k' has been kept back for that reason.
    40k for the second dose
    5k buffer for failure perhaps.
    ..45k.


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    #3258
    AdamD
    Registered Users Posts: 12,626 ✭✭✭✭AdamD


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    For the second doses..........
    They literally said they're doing that until the Pfizer supply chain is secure.
    You're clutching now, to be fair.
    I'm really not. You're speculating pretty much anything you can to defend the rollout.

    So right now you're saying;

    We have received 80k
    We're only happy to use 35k because we need 35k for second doses (in case of supply issues) and another 10k in case something else goes wrong? That is utter madness


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    #3259
    gally74
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,997 ✭✭✭gally74


    gally74 wrote: »
    not true


    Stephen Donnelly
    @DonnellyStephen
    Delighted to share that this morning we increased our vaccine target for this week from 20,000 to 35,000.

    Includes nursing home residents & staff, front line healthcare workers in hospitals & in the community. Working with the HSE to have GPs included in that

    The plan was 35K this week,


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    #3260
    Sanjuro
    Registered Users Posts: 4,236 ✭✭✭Sanjuro


    I have a four year old boy. Every so often, he'll ask for chicken nuggets and chips for dinner. I agree and start heating up the oven to cook the food. Three minutes later, he walks up to me and demands to know where his nugs and chips are. I tell him that they need to be cooked and I'll give them to him as soon as they're done. He'll often throw a fit which I generally laugh off. Reading a lot of the posts on this thread is like those conversations with my four year old.


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    #3261
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,264 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    gally74 wrote: »
    Stephen Donnelly
    @DonnellyStephen
    Delighted to share that this morning we increased our vaccine target for this week from 20,000 to 35,000.

    Includes nursing home residents & staff, front line healthcare workers in hospitals & in the community. Working with the HSE to have GPs included in that

    The plan was 35K this week,

    This week isn't over yet. This week is Monday to Sunday. Its Thursday.


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    #3262
    gally74
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,997 ✭✭✭gally74


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    This week isn't over yet. This week is Monday to Sunday. Its Thursday.

    Sunday is the start of the week,


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    #3263
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users Posts: 11,670 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    gally74 wrote: »
    Sunday is the start of the week,
    The rollout started Monday. It's Monday to Sunday.


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    #3264
    hmmm
    Registered Users Posts: 11,205 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Same information as have been discussed above, but this slide is great - well done HSE (on the transparency).

    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1347190561179107329/photo/1


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    #3265
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    gally74 wrote: »
    35K was the target this week, so again v poor, to be honest shocking poor,

    This is a pandemic... and we are so far behind,

    By week's end , it's only Thursday and it's still the target.


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    #3266
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    gally74 wrote: »
    Sunday is the start of the week,
    Most people go with Monday and that's when they started the homes.


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    #3267
    lbj666
    Registered Users Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭lbj666


    AdamD wrote: »
    Christ, you might be one of the worst people to have a discussion with on this entire forum.


    Its slow, but because the stockpile and buffering for 2nd in dose it not as slow as you think. The supply security risk might be slim, but its still there and has to be mitigated for because delays in 2nd dose mean risk going off label and theres consequence to that.

    This thread is pretty tired of people whinging about progress without looking for some plausible reasons or justifications.


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    #3268
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    lbj666 wrote: »
    Its slow, but because the stockpile and buffering for 2nd in dose it not as slow as you think. The supply security risk might be slim, but its still there and has to be mitigated for because delays in 2nd dose mean risk going off label and theres consequence to that.

    The maximum interval is 42 days, if there is that level of delay, we'll really be in the deep dooda.


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    #3269
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    gally74 wrote: »
    Sunday is the start of the week,

    Sure, that's why the weekend consists of Saturday and Sunday.


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    #3270
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    gally74 wrote: »
    Sunday is the start of the week,

    Not for most normal people and businesses. I'd say they'll go with that rather than your definition.

    Is Sunday not part of your weekend no?


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    #3271
    AdamD
    Registered Users Posts: 12,626 ✭✭✭✭AdamD


    lbj666 wrote: »


    Its slow, but because the stockpile and buffering for 2nd in dose it not as slow as you think. The supply security risk might be slim, but its still there and has to be mitigated for because delays in 2nd dose mean risk going off label and theres consequence to that.

    This thread is pretty tired of people whinging about progress without looking for some plausible reasons or justifications.

    Are we allowed to discuss the efficacy of the rollout or not?

    Holding back both second doses and additional doses for other potential issues seems like overkill to me. However that isn't even confirmed, that is speculation.

    To need 45k left over there would have to be a supply chain issue where we miss an entire delivery and mess up the use of another 5-10k. That would seem to be an overly conservative use of supplies in a public health emergency.

    There is of course the alternative that we're simply holding back the second doses and the rest won't be used yet because the vaccination plan is still scaling up.


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