COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 2 [Mod Warning - Post #1]

Duke of Url

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

We won't be getting more vaccines by the end of the week (when we will have 48k delivered)

What do you want. 24/7 vaccinations on Monday and 6 days with no vaccinations (Tuesday to Sunday).

What’s the difference between vaccinating 1000 people on a Monday or vaccinating 1000 people spread between Monday to Sunday?

I’m genuinely curious.

Cork2021

Hardyn wrote: »

https://businessam.be/farmawaakhond-oxford-vaccin-kan-volgende-maand-al-europese-goedkeuring-krijgen/

In Dutch so you'll have to translate but the Deputy Director of the EMA says that Astra Zeneca have provided additional data over the last week. Assuming there are no more issues they could begin the process in the coming days with approval in a few weeks.

In English

Unless additional questions arise, the approval of the corona vaccine from Oxford University and AstraZeneca could move quickly. This is what Noel Wathion, the number two of the European medicines agency EMA, says in an interview that appears on Business AM this weekend.

The EMA has already approved two vaccines, that of Pfizer / BioNTech and that of Moderna. Two others, those from AstraZeneca and Janssen Pharma, are in the pipeline in the short term.

Some time ago it was sounded that there was not enough data to quickly approve the injections of AstraZeneca, but it now appears to be making progress. "At the end of December and this week, we received another new set of data with answers to some questions," says Wathion. "If those answers are satisfactory, we can move on to the next phase in the coming days and if no further problems arise, we will only need a few weeks for preliminary market approval."

The process took three weeks for the Pfizer vaccine and slightly longer for the Moderna vaccine. The UK has already authorized AstraZeneca to market its vaccine in the UK.

Rolling review
The vaccine from Janssen Pharmaceutica and its American partner Johnson & Johnson is currently in the so-called rolling review, where the data from the clinical studies will be reviewed immediately after the study has ended. CEO Paul Stoffels has already told various media that the tests will be completed by the end of January, but it will then have to wait a while for approval, according to Wathion. "I don't want to put a date on it, but it will be a while before we can start the next step there."

64-year-old Belgian Noel Wathion is deputy director of the EMA. He started his professional life as a pharmacist in Hasselt and slowly rose to number two in the pharma watchdog.

stephenjmcd

Hardyn wrote: »

https://businessam.be/farmawaakhond-oxford-vaccin-kan-volgende-maand-al-europese-goedkeuring-krijgen/

In Dutch so you'll have to translate but the Deputy Director of the EMA says that Astra Zeneca have provided additional data over the last week. Assuming there are no more issues they could begin the process in the coming days with approval in a few weeks.

Excellent. Good to see they gave them data quickly that was required.

Hopefully everything goes smoothly over the next few weeks

is_that_so

Duke of Url wrote: »

What’s the difference between vaccinating 1000 people on a Monday or vaccinating 1000 people spread between Monday to Sunday?

I’m genuinely curious.

It's nursing homes for the next two weeks, so 1000 a day might be a lot more impractical as they will be well scattered. 1000 a day in a mass vaccination centre is fine but that will be a long while coming.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Duke of Url wrote: »

What’s the difference between vaccinating 1000 people on a Monday or vaccinating 1000 people spread between Monday to Sunday?

I’m genuinely curious.

Nothing really.

It's probably a lot easier logistically to spread it over the week.

MerlinSouthDub

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Excellent. Good to see they gave them data quickly that was required.

Hopefully everything goes smoothly over the next few weeks

Yes, and they have spent more time reviewing AstraZeneca than Pfizer or Moderna so you would hope they can come to a very quick decision once they have all the data.

political analyst

timsey tiger wrote: »

Cute - we can all see what you're at with your misinformation.

I wasn't "at" anything! I was just showing what I had read.

Sweet.Science

The vaccine taskforce have already hired a PR spokesperson

Couldn't make it up

ACitizenErased

Sweet.Science wrote: »

The vaccine taskforce have already hired a PR spokesperson

Couldn't make it up

That sounds very sensible tbh

Stheno

Sweet.Science wrote: »

The vaccine taskforce have already hired a PR spokesperson

Couldn't make it up

Formerly communications for Bus Eireann

Stheno

Stheno wrote: »

Formerly communications for Bus Eireann

They'll probably just make unintelligible announcements over a loudspeaker so.

JacksonHeightsOwn

Stheno wrote: »

Formerly communications for Bus Eireann

Wouldn't you just laugh your balls off if when announcing the next two vaccine approvals news spokesperson says, "just like buses, you waited for one, and then two came along"

Sweet.Science

chrisbonnie wrote: »

Wouldn't you just laugh your balls off if when announcing the next two vaccine approvals news spokesperson says, "just like buses, you waited for one, and then two came along"

Might not run as per the timetable

lbj666

chrisbonnie wrote: »

Wouldn't you just laugh your balls off if when announcing the next two vaccine approvals news spokesperson says, "just like buses, you waited for one, and then two came along"

Beat me to it, although that joke will probably be done to death by 9pm

is_that_so

Vaccinations are being carried out at 25 long-term care locations this week and will continue over the weekend.

hmmm

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Might not run as per the timetable

Works 90% of the time, 100% of the time.

Best of luck to them, it's an appointment which is urgently required. I doubt they've ever had anyone screaming at them that "buses don't exist" or "it's not a bus, it's only a taxi" or "the timetables are set by bill gates".

Sweet.Science

is_that_so wrote: »

Vaccinations are being carried out at 25 long-term care locations this week and will continue over the weekend.

If people can still get covid after vaccination in these facilities just a weaker dose it won't really affect case numbers . And if they unfortunately die it will be down as a covid death aswel

PCeeeee

Sweet.Science wrote: »

If people can still get covid after vaccination in these facilities just a weaker dose it won't really affect case numbers . And if they unfortunately die it will be down as a covid death aswel

Can but in lesser numbers with reduced severity.

JMNolan

hmmm wrote: »

Works 90% of the time, 100% of the time.

Best of luck to them, it's an appointment which is urgently required. I doubt they've ever had anyone screaming at them that "buses don't exist" or "it's not a bus, it's only a taxi" or "the timetables are set by bill gates".

There have been many a phantom bus to be fair

Sweet.Science

PCeeeee wrote: »

Can but in lesser numbers with reduced severity.

True but severity isn't taken into consideration when it comes to positive cases

The number is just presented and decisions made from it . For instance 6k a day at the moment . They don't say 5900 will be fine in 10 days

So how will these vaccines change lockdowns ?

Do we move away from case numbers being the driving force behind everything ?

Will it then just be the number hospitalised after a certain number of vaccines are done ?

astrofool

Sweet.Science wrote: »

True but severity isn't taken into consideration when it comes to positive cases

The number is just presented and decisions made from it . For instance 6k a day at the moment . They don't say 5900 will be fine in 10 days

So how will these vaccines change lockdowns ?

Do we move away from case numbers being the driving force behind everything ?

Will it then just be the number hospitalised after a certain number of vaccines are done ?

Yes, it changes how they determine when to go into lockdown. The point of lockdown is to not overwhelm the health system, when the vaccine starts reducing those needing the health system, the need to lockdown is also lessened. At some point we stop tracking case number as closely, but it won't be an overnight change, it will take many weeks/months to get there.

snowcat

Sanjuro wrote: »

I have a four year old boy. Every so often, he'll ask for chicken nuggets and chips for dinner. I agree and start heating up the oven to cook the food. Three minutes later, he walks up to me and demands to know where his nugs and chips are. I tell him that they need to be cooked and I'll give them to him as soon as they're done. He'll often throw a fit which I generally laugh off. Reading a lot of the posts on this thread is like those conversations with my four year old.

Yes but in a life and death situation you run to/order from the chipper while waiting for the oven to heat up as a back up, If he is possibly going to die from it you pull out all the stops.

hmmm

https://twitter.com/EylonALevy/status/1347256589649117185

Micky 32

Dr Paul Williams in the UK:


“Some local patients have turned down an offer this weekend of getting a Covid vaccine when they found out it was the Pfizer one. “I’ll wait for the English one”.

People at risk of death in the depths of a pandemic.

A lesson that Nationalism has consequences.“

FFS

dominatinMC

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Apologies if posted already but Moderna had some positive news today:

Moderna CEO says vaccine likely to protect for 'couple of years'

and

Bancel added his company was about to prove that its vaccine would also be effective against variants of the coronavirus seen in Britain and South Africa.

Scientists have said newly developed vaccines should be equally effective against both variants.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-moderna-vaccine/moderna-ceo-says-vaccine-likely-to-protect-for-couple-of-years-idUSKBN29C0YK?utm_source=reddit.com

Brilliant news if true.

Pity Solar2021 got banned yesterday, I'd only love to see him attempt to downplay this!

Micky 32

dominatinMC wrote: »

Brilliant news if true.

Pity Solar2021 got banned yesterday, I'd only love to see him attempt to downplay this!

He/she would find another succesful way of getting under ones skin

Dressoutlet

Sweet.Science wrote: »

If people can still get covid after vaccination in these facilities just a weaker dose it won't really affect case numbers . And if they unfortunately die it will be down as a covid death aswel

Well they won't be getting tested because they won't be sick. So there's that

dominatinMC

dominatinMC wrote: »

Brilliant news if true.

Pity Solar2021 got banned yesterday, I'd only love to see him attempt to downplay this!

“But but but Porton Down are testing it and they are going to prove we are screwed until they don’t and I move onto the next bizarre theory”

IRISHSPORTSGUY

Cork2021 wrote: »

In English

Unless additional questions arise, the approval of the corona vaccine from Oxford University and AstraZeneca could move quickly. This is what Noel Wathion, the number two of the European medicines agency EMA, says in an interview that appears on Business AM this weekend.

The EMA has already approved two vaccines, that of Pfizer / BioNTech and that of Moderna. Two others, those from AstraZeneca and Janssen Pharma, are in the pipeline in the short term.

Some time ago it was sounded that there was not enough data to quickly approve the injections of AstraZeneca, but it now appears to be making progress. "At the end of December and this week, we received another new set of data with answers to some questions," says Wathion. "If those answers are satisfactory, we can move on to the next phase in the coming days and if no further problems arise, we will only need a few weeks for preliminary market approval."

The process took three weeks for the Pfizer vaccine and slightly longer for the Moderna vaccine. The UK has already authorized AstraZeneca to market its vaccine in the UK.

Rolling review
The vaccine from Janssen Pharmaceutica and its American partner Johnson & Johnson is currently in the so-called rolling review, where the data from the clinical studies will be reviewed immediately after the study has ended. CEO Paul Stoffels has already told various media that the tests will be completed by the end of January, but it will then have to wait a while for approval, according to Wathion. "I don't want to put a date on it, but it will be a while before we can start the next step there."

64-year-old Belgian Noel Wathion is deputy director of the EMA. He started his professional life as a pharmacist in Hasselt and slowly rose to number two in the pharma watchdog.

I take it 'the next phase in the coming days' is they'll put a date on the AstraZeneca approval like they did with Pfizer and Moderna?

is_that_so

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

I take it 'the next phase in the coming days' is they'll put a date on the AstraZeneca approval like they did with Pfizer and Moderna?

Likely to be February but not clear what part of it.