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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 2 [Mod Warning - Post #1]

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    #3662
    Cork2021
    Registered Users Posts: 2,285 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Just heard on news talk there De gascun saying the vaccines won’t be as affective with the SA variant.
    Highly irresponsible from him in my opinion. Especially when Pfizer and moderna are extremely confident it’ll pose no problems!


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    #3663
    Cork2021
    Registered Users Posts: 2,285 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Just heard on news talk there De gascun saying the vaccines won’t be as affective with the SA variant.
    Highly irresponsible from him in my opinion. Especially when Pfizer and moderna are extremely confident it’ll pose no problems!


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    #3664
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    Just heard on news talk there De gascun saying the vaccines won’t be as affective with the SA variant.
    Highly irresponsible from him in my opinion. Especially when Pfizer and moderna are extremely confident it’ll pose no problems!

    He's worse than George Lee IMO. Always a negative nancy!


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    #3665
    Wesekn.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 120 ✭✭Wesekn.


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    Just heard on news talk there De gascun saying the vaccines won’t be as affective with the SA variant.
    Highly irresponsible from him in my opinion. Especially when Pfizer and moderna are extremely confident it’ll pose no problems!

    Don't they have to be to be tweaked for the SA veiraint


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    #3666
    Micky 32
    Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    Just heard on news talk there De gascun saying the vaccines won’t be as affective with the SA variant.
    Highly irresponsible from him in my opinion. Especially when Pfizer and moderna are extremely confident it’ll pose no problems!


    The worse case scenario is that they aren’t effective but as the other experts and vaccine failure hopefulls on this thread point out it would be a few more weeks before we’d know for sure. So for him to say that with a glee of certainty and fact is totally wrong.


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    #3667
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    Wesekn. wrote: »
    Don't they have to be to be tweaked for the SA veiraint

    Not the plan as far as I'm aware because they're pretty confident it'll still work.


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    #3668
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    The worse case scenario is that they aren’t effective but as the other experts and vaccine failure hopefulls on this thread point out it would be a few more weeks before we’d know for sure. So for him to say that with a glee of certainty and fact is totally wrong.

    People like him shouldn't be in the spotlight IMO. Put him back to work but he isn't a TV person, there are people in charge of that messaging.


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    #3669
    Micky 32
    Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    funnydoggy wrote: »
    He's worse than George Lee IMO. Always a negative nancy!

    I think Fergal Bowers sometimes not far behind. We have a new term. The vaccine has gone from not being a silver bullet to not being a golden bullet :rolleyes:


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    #3670
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    I think Fergal Bowers sometimes not far behind. We have a new term. The vaccine has gone from not being a silver bullet to not being a golden bullet :rolleyes:

    Oh ffs. Imagine what they'd have been like if the two current vaccines weren't over 90% effective.


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    #3671
    Cork2021
    Registered Users Posts: 2,285 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    funnydoggy wrote: »
    Oh ffs. Imagine what they'd have been like if the two current vaccines weren't over 90% effective.

    It’s been like this from the start! Obviously the situation in this country and globally isn’t good but it will get better ans we will get back to normal.
    What the likes of RTÉ, Virgin etc do is pump out the negative to keep people watching the likes of prime time, Claire Byrne the tonight show and the news bulletins. More often then not any push notifications that come from RTÉ especially are negative, the bad news sells!


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    #3672
    lucernarian
    Registered Users Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    polesheep wrote: »
    My son, a big healthy 26-year-old, was knocked about for a couple of days afterwards but he'll still be getting his booster and glad of it.

    Why in the name of jaysus are 26 year olds getting it when 66 year old nursing home nurses don't have it yet? It's ****ing infuriating.


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    #3673
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    lucernarian wrote: »
    Why in the name of jaysus are 26 year olds getting it when 66 year old nursing home nurses don't have it yet? It's ****ing infuriating.

    Calm down. He works in a US hospital.


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    #3674
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    polesheep wrote: »
    Calm down. He works in a US hospital.

    Lot of reactionary comments lately eh


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    #3675
    lucernarian
    Registered Users Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    polesheep wrote: »
    That question hasn't arisen, so why worry about it?
    What an incredible comment.

    "Scientists have expressed concern that vaccines being rolled out may not be able to protect against the new variants, particularly the one that emerged in South Africa.

    Simon Clarke, an associate professor in cellular microbiology at the University of Reading, said this week that while both variants had some new features in common, the one found in South Africa “has a number additional mutations” that included more extensive alterations to the spike protein."


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    #3676
    lucernarian
    Registered Users Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    funnydoggy wrote: »
    Lot of reactionary comments lately eh
    Point is still the same, with non medical staff in St. Vincent's already having received their first dose.


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    #3677
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    lucernarian wrote: »
    Point is still the same, with non medical staff in St. Vincent's already having received their first dose.

    Non medical staff such as caterers for example? They see tonnes of patients every day.


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    #3678
    lbj666
    Registered Users Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭lbj666


    lucernarian wrote: »
    Why in the name of jaysus are 26 year olds getting it when 66 year old nursing home nurses don't have it yet? It's ****ing infuriating.

    Priorities most vulnerable can't trump practicalities in every single circumstance.

    Nursings homes is an entirely different rollout granted it should be at full speed now it's not , yes thats frustrating.

    But to say a 26 yo in nurses shouldn't be jabbed in meantime while the facility is set up and the hospitals are tearing through it and also the possibility that said nurse could be out for 2 weeks during a hospital crisis if not. Please spare us


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    #3679
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users Posts: 7,763 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    Just heard on news talk there De gascun saying the vaccines won’t be as affective with the SA variant.
    Highly irresponsible from him in my opinion. Especially when Pfizer and moderna are extremely confident it’ll pose no problems!


    Making the most of his time in the spotlight imo. He knows well that once this is all over nobody will give a shiny ****e about what he has to say. The media are at fault aswell for facilitating these clowns


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    #3680
    lucernarian
    Registered Users Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    funnydoggy wrote: »
    Non medical staff such as caterers for example? They see tonnes of patients every day.
    Non medical staff who are also over 65 and in frontline roles serving *exclusively* very vulnerable patients, rather than a cohort of patients as casual contacts?


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    #3681
    lucernarian
    Registered Users Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    lbj666 wrote: »
    Priorities most vulnerable can't trump practicalities in every single circumstance.

    Nursings homes is an entirely different rollout granted it should be at full speed now it's not , yes thats frustrating.

    But to say a 26 yo in nurses shouldn't be jabbed in meantime while the facility is set up and the hospitals are tearing through it and also the possibility that said nurse could be out for 2 weeks during a hospital crisis if not. Please spare us

    You're damn right it's frustrating, every day that passes while that 66 year old nurse isn't vaccinated is beyond the pale when you see the HSE's rollout and what's been prioritised so far on Twitter.


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    #3682
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    lucernarian wrote: »
    Non medical staff who are also over 65 and in frontline roles serving *exclusively* very vulnerable patients, rather than a cohort of patients as casual contacts?

    That's fair enough, I'll give you that one but there must be a rational explanation behind it.


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    #3683
    CrabRevolution
    Registered Users Posts: 2,854 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    funnydoggy wrote: »
    Non medical staff such as caterers for example? They see tonnes of patients every day.
    A lot of people seem to think that health care systems just run off doctors and nurses alone, and everything else just takes care of itself.

    Even if they do admit there's more to it than that, they'll just assume it's an army of clerical staff who spend their time doing nothing in an office away from the patients.


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    #3684
    pidgeoneyes
    Registered Users Posts: 136 ✭✭pidgeoneyes


    Midlands Regional Hospital (Mullingar) are vaccinating staff in alphabetical order. My mother, not a nurse, is getting her first dose today.
    Very glad she's getting it to be honest.


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    #3685
    lucernarian
    Registered Users Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    CrabRevolution wrote: »
    A lot of people seem to think that health care systems just run off doctors and nurses alone, and everything else just takes care of itself.

    Even if they do admit there's more to it than that, they'll just assume it's an army of clerical staff who spend their time doing nothing in an office away from the patients.
    I'd say the 66 year old cleaners, fitters, electricians and kitchen staff in a nursing home 5 days a week should equally all have been vaccinated by now too


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    #3686
    lucernarian
    Registered Users Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    pidgeoneyes wrote: »
    Midlands Regional Hospital (Mullingar) are vaccinating staff in alphabetical order. My mother, not a nurse, is getting her first dose today.
    Very glad she's getting it to be honest.

    Alphabetical order, Jesus wept. I hope and frankly pray there's a reason they're not using +60 years old as a separate criteria.


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    #3687
    Stark
    Registered Users Posts: 20,987 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    CrabRevolution wrote: »
    A lot of people seem to think that health care systems just run off doctors and nurses alone, and everything else just takes care of itself.

    Even if they do admit there's more to it than that, they'll just assume it's an army of clerical staff who spend their time doing nothing in an office away from the patients.

    Even if they're not at risk of getting infected on the job, getting infected in the community is going to leave the health service short staffed which we really can't afford right now.


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    #3688
    lbj666
    Registered Users Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭lbj666


    lucernarian wrote: »
    You're damn right it's frustrating, every day that passes while that 66 year old nurse isn't vaccinated is beyond the pale when you see the HSE's rollout and what's been prioritised so far on Twitter.

    You've got to remember aswell the hospital rollout have far more scope to get done very fast and overtake nursing home rollout anyway. Given everyone is under the same roof. Nursing homes was always going to be more measured.
    There was no point them waiting while the nursing home rollout finally kicks into gear, just out of perceived fairness.

    The whole rollout would end up constant tripping over itself if they got that granular about who ends up getting jabbed before someone else.


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    #3689
    Sky King
    Registered Users Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Sky King


    lucernarian wrote: »
    Alphabetical order, Jesus wept. I hope and frankly pray there's a reason they're not using +60 years old as a separate criteria.

    You're right. When vaccinating people in the same category they should make them play rock paper scissors to decide. FFS .


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    #3690
    Chris_5339762
    Registered Users Posts: 5,902 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    STILL waiting on mine here, despite our frontline colleagues having been done a week ago and some of my direct colleagues having been called a few days ago. If its alphabetical order and not clinical necessity I'll be complaining bitterly.


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    #3691
    Micky 32
    Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    It’s been like this from the start! Obviously the situation in this country and globally isn’t good but it will get better ans we will get back to normal.
    What the likes of RTÉ, Virgin etc do is pump out the negative to keep people watching the likes of prime time, Claire Byrne the tonight show and the news bulletins. More often then not any push notifications that come from RTÉ especially are negative, the bad news sells!


    Sure we now have RTE with a big headline on it’s app about a doctor from Co Mayo calling for curfews :rolleyes:


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