COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 2 [Mod Warning - Post #1]

Melanchthon

CrabRevolution wrote: »

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Catering staff and porters will spend more time in close contact with numerous patients on a given day than many doctors.

I get the porter's thing but catering staff surely they are fairly segregated from patients? Thankfully haven't spent much time in hospitals!

More general question, is it just the news reporting or does their seem to be a bias towards Cork, haven't heard any good news stories out of Donegal which had terrible numbers and a bit hospital

irishgeo

Melanchthon wrote: »

I get the porter's thing but catering staff surely they are fairly segregated from patients? Thankfully haven't spent much time in hospitals!

Who do you think puts breakfast lunch and dinner on every patient bed table. it's not nurses it's the catering staff.

lbj666

Melanchthon wrote: »

I get the porter's thing but catering staff surely they are fairly segregated from patients? Thankfully haven't spent much time in hospitals!

More general question, is it just the news reporting or does their seem to be a bias towards Cork, haven't heard any good news stories out of Donegal which had terrible numbers and a bit hospital

Twitter says Letterkenny got going last Wednesday.

Cork2021

https://twitter.com/fergalbowers/status/1348268990834110471?s=21

CIARAN_BOYLE

Melanchthon wrote: »

I get the porter's thing but catering staff surely they are fairly segregated from patients? Thankfully haven't spent much time in hospitals!

More general question, is it just the news reporting or does their seem to be a bias towards Cork, haven't heard any good news stories out of Donegal which had terrible numbers and a bit hospital

My father's experience when he was in hospital about 15 months ago.

He had unknown virus and staff had to put on ppe to go near him so I would assume its similar for coronavirus patients

He would see a nurse every hour for blood test, temperature check and other testing. 24 contacts a day
He would see a team of general doctors in the morning at rounds (4 contacts)
He would see a cardiologist a respiratory specialist and a dermatologist at some point during the day (3 contacts). This level of doctor contact was because he had some unknown ailment and probably would not be common.
He would see a porter whenever he was moved for tests or scans. This happened nearly every day as they couldn't figure out what was wrong with him.
The physio visited every second day as muscle weakness was seen as a contributing factor to his problems
Catering staff would bring his breakfast and lunch and a dinner menu. They would take away breakfast lunch and take his order for dinner. They would bring his dinner and take it away. They would check in periodically to see if he needed water or tea. (probably 10 visits a day).

stargazer 68

GetWithIt wrote: »

I’ve heard anecdotally, and see some reports now, of non-frontline staff in various hospitals getting vaccinated ahead of those caring directly for Covid patients.

Is there a good reason for this?

Maybe they didn't want it. Or they didnt make an appointment to get it. We have rolled out our vaccinations for staff and if medical/nursing staff dont sign up for an appointment then they dont get one!

Bursanc

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0110/1188724-covid19-ireland/

Looking past the negative headline, Paul Reid says they will exceed their target of over 35,000 vaccines this week, and that the HSE are anticipating the arrival of 1 million vaccines per month

Locotastic

irishgeo wrote: »

Who do you think puts breakfast lunch and dinner on every patient bed table. it's not nurses it's the catering staff.

This is so true, catering staff and porters are moving throughout the hospital all day long. Many contacts with patients during the day and in my experience much more contact than medical staff.

They should absolutely be high priority, and they do so much more than provide meals or transport patients. Such wonderful caring people, always seem to be cheerful even when very busy and they help to brighten up the day when people need it most.

Water2021

irishgeo wrote: »

the amount of people who think a hospital can be run with just nurses and doctors present is staggering.

Annoys me so much that Nurse and Doctor muck

My wife is a nurse and she knows herself that HCA's do all the work and are the ones taking care of people's nanny's when they are sick

They are so under appreciated and never mentioned in the media

These Florence Nightingale nurses dont exist anymore, nurses are like doctors now, my wife does more paper work and sorting medicine than she spends time with patients

Donald Trump

Melanchthon wrote: »

I get the porter's thing but catering staff surely they are fairly segregated from patients? Thankfully haven't spent much time in hospitals!

More general question, is it just the news reporting or does their seem to be a bias towards Cork, haven't heard any good news stories out of Donegal which had terrible numbers and a bit hospital

Someone is collecting those plates and cutlery and putting them into dishwashers. I wouldn't fancy doing it - even covered in PPE

JacksonHeightsOwn

mr_edge_to_you wrote: »

My wife is a nurse and has heard numerous instances of admin staff being vaccinated. The reality is there is a supply issue so frontline healthcare "providers" should be prioritised. Sure aren't admin/desk based people supposed to be WFH anyway? So they shouldn't be at risk of contracting the virus.

Perhaps after administering the required amount to people they had some "left over" bottles and just wanted to use them up as opposed to let them go to waste. Makes sense if you ask me.

CrabRevolution

Bursanc wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0110/1188724-covid19-ireland/

Looking past the negative headline, Paul Reid says they will exceed their target of over 35,000 vaccines this week, and that the HSE are anticipating the arrival of 1 million vaccines per month

I'm not usually one to join the RTÉ bashing, but the headline is flat out wrong too. Anyone reading it would interpret it to mean that Covid-19 cases in hospitals are "likely to double" from current levels (~1500) which would be pretty disastrous 3000. Yet what Reid actually said was they're likely to double compared to the last peak of 881 in April 2020. This would be short of 1800, which is still an unsustainable strain on the health service, but a world away from 3000.

I'd be interested to hear from those on this thread who were proclaiming on Wednesday that we'd already failed to hit our weekly vaccine target.

irishgeo

CrabRevolution wrote: »

I'm not usually one to join the RTÉ bashing, but the headline is flat out wrong too. Anyone reading it would interpret it to mean that Covid-19 cases in hospitals are "likely to double" from current levels (~1500) which would be pretty disastrous 3000. Yet what Reid actually said was they're likely to double compared to the last peak of 881 in April 2020. This would be short of 1800, which is still an unsustainable strain on the health service, but a world away from 3000.

I'd be interested to hear from those on this thread who were proclaiming on Wednesday that we'd already failed to hit our weekly vaccine target.

A lie is half way around the world before the truth has a chance to get it trousers on. No government agency can do any good with these people. You don't see them back after they have been proved wrong. Usually off on to the thing they can get worked up about.

WoollyRedHat

CrabRevolution wrote: »

I'm not usually one to join the RTÉ bashing, but the headline is flat out wrong too. Anyone reading it would interpret it to mean that Covid-19 cases in hospitals are "likely to double" from current levels (~1500) which would be pretty disastrous 3000. Yet what Reid actually said was they're likely to double compared to the last peak of 881 in April 2020. This would be short of 1800, which is still an unsustainable strain on the health service, but a world away from 3000.

I'd be interested to hear from those on this thread who were proclaiming on Wednesday that we'd already failed to hit our weekly vaccine target.

We're already falling behind next week's vaccine target and apparently those in charge of the vaccination program have still not explained the law of thermodynamics, what are they doing, it's scandalous.

choccymousse

CrabRevolution wrote: »

I can't say anything about any rumours, but I mentioned earlier in the thread that many people have a skewed view on what "frontline" means. As far as they're concerned hospitals consist of doctors and nurses, with other staff either nonexistent or sitting in an office away from patients.

Catering staff and porters will spend more time in close contact with numerous patients on a given day than many doctors.

This is so true , I had surgery back in November, staying in for about a week . I met the catering staff more times than my own Dr and , due to the type of surgery I had , I was slightly immobile and the catering staff went out of their way to help me with my tray etc . IMO the whole staff of a hospital should be vaccinated ASAP given the circumstances they are working in. Clerical staff have to move around a hospital where a virus is going to be more prevalent so
They deserve to be in the queue

GetWithIt

To the many questions on source
https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/doctors-fear-being-left-last-in-mish-mashed-approach-39951606.html
Most of the story is behind a paywall but the gist is available:

Doctors in some hospitals are worried they have been overlooked for Covid-19 vaccinations in hospitals, during the initial phases of the roll-out, in favour of administrative and management staff.

It comes as internal HSE data showed a hospital in Cork vaccinated six times more management and background staff than doctors in the first week of the vaccine roll-out.

Data seen by the Sunday Independent shows how many people were vaccinated in hospitals up to last Monday and highlights different approaches taken at each facility.

Chris_5339762

Certainly where I work, a list of staff is sent to the line manager who forward it to a vaccine team. Thats fine. But the doctors, SHOs etc don't have a line manager in the traditional sense, so there is no list to send, and so no vaccines.

10 days now since my line manager sent our list in (frontline-ish). Still not a peep from the vaccine team.

KrustyUCC

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

We're already falling behind next week's vaccine target and apparently those in charge of the vaccination program have still not explained the law of thermodynamics, what are they doing, it's scandalous.

Why are we falling behind next weeks target?

Cork2021

https://twitter.com/laoneill111/status/1348289309049319425?s=21

Cork2021

Good article from the Irish times!

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/will-most-of-us-be-vaccinated-by-the-summer-or-will-it-drag-on-into-autumn-1.4453583?mode=amp&fbclid=IwAR1B-y3Wkify5yyAbsVTmYYMEdK1_KtwBAg6L25uZ21I7wKxpA3Cw0Hl8eQ

CrabRevolution

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Why are we falling behind next weeks target?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that poster is being sarcastic.

Sweet.Science

Why are the vaccine numbers not on the covid hub ?

CIARAN_BOYLE

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Why are the vaccine numbers not on the covid hub ?

Because Donnelly said they would be without talking to hse.

Hse will release them weekly at the press briefing.

Sweet.Science

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Because Donnelly said they would be without talking to hse.

Hse will release them weekly at the press briefing.

Fair enough . Mondays I presume ?

Wesekn.

Presumably they can be put into the hub once released

Sweet.Science

Seems pointless . The limelight too much for some people to turn down .

jcon1913

Across so many endeavours Ireland “punches above it’s weight “ - I d be delighted if the HSE could punch above it’s weight in relation to vaccination.

I for one am frustrated at the perceived delays with getting the vaccine administered

My mother is in her 80s and I have 2 siblings in the health service- both frontline as it happens

I can see that it is not as simple as getting people to form a queue and get a quick jab

Thanks to all the very well informed posters on here

I’ll be a lot less worried about this when my immediate family members are vaccinated

And look forward to my 3 kids all in full time education getting back to a more normal life

CIARAN_BOYLE

hmmm wrote: »

Interesting. Any idea why the deaths curve would be a different shape to the ICU curve?

50% of deaths are in nursing homes. Many nursing home residents dont get sent to icu

30k vaccinations will cut the mortality but those people wouldn't get to icu.

One of the main icu treatments is ventilation which can be too harsh on older people.

Gael23

A million vaccines a month. Where is he getting that figure? https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0110/1188724-covid19-ireland/

MerlinSouthDub

Gael23 wrote: »

A million vaccines a month. Where is he getting that figure? https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0110/1188724-covid19-ireland/

I'd imagine it's based on expected supplies of the AstraZeneca and J&J vaccines, as well as the q2 Pfizer supply rampup. One would guess that he has access to fuller information than us.