COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 2 [Mod Warning - Post #1]

smurfjed

ShineOn7 wrote: »

UAE has vaccinated over 10% of their population already, but I'm not seeing them on this

They're using mostly the Chinese vaccine. Is this list above just covering Pfizer?

But their case numbers have risen dramatically in the last 2 weeks. Too many UK “Influencers” there.

JTMan

Irish Times reporting here (paywall) on issues with the vaccination of GP's.

- Anger that GP's will now have to wait up to 8 weeks to get vaccinated.
- Issues with online portal. Registrations don't work. The same online portal will eventually be used to register vaccinations among members of the public.
- Promises that bookings last Monday would occur did not materialise.

Vicxas

HSE at its finest again, they've had 8 months to prepare and still people act surprised when they make a balls of it

CIARAN_BOYLE

Sinovac 50.4% effective according to Brazillian trials.

That said they are also saying its 100% effective at preventing moderate to severe cases.

A lot of different results from different countries (91%from turkey and 65% from indonesia).

Apparently the difference is that the prevention of symptoms bar is different in different trials. In the Brazilian trial very mild symptoms counts as symptoms while in Indonesia and turkey it doesnt.

Gael23

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Sinovac 50.4% effective according to Brazillian trials.

That said they are also saying its 100% effective at preventing moderate to severe cases.

A lot of different results from different countries (91%from turkey and 65% from indonesia).

Apparently the difference is that the prevention of symptoms bar is different in different trials. In the Brazilian trial very mild symptoms counts as symptoms while in Indonesia and turkey it doesnt.

Will cause difficulties for regulators I imagine then?

is_that_so

brisan wrote: »

Care to expand
I gave my reasons surely you can give yours
Give it 2 months and see how far behind he rest of the EU we are with the roll out

55,000-60,000 done by the end of this week and all nursing homes by the end of next week is not slouching.

Here's the vaccination plan BTW. What exactly are they getting wrong?

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/bf337-covid-19-vaccination-strategy-and-implementation-plan/

JMR46

https://twitter.com/DonnellyStephen/status/1349074274234097671?s=20

Not sure anyone has posted this, another update from Donnelly on how things are progressing.

He also confirmed we reached and exceeded the planned 35,000 doses last week

is_that_so

ShineOn7 wrote: »

A thousand percent agree

But, going by some of their defenders here, there's to be no calling out of the HSE in this thread apparently

No siree

You're really not providing any evidence bar your opinion that they are a disaster. Most people are holding their fire firstly because they understand the supply constraints, it is pretty much the same everywhere at this moment. Secondly, we know that the HSE coordinate flu' jab programmes every year without much incident. If when supplies do increase and the HSE are still doing a paltry 40K a week then we can call them out.

GreeBo

ShineOn7 wrote: »

If you want to get into semantics:

Australia has a population of 25 million, but it's very, very spread out

Australia is massive, you can fit the land mass of Europe into it one and a half times. There are vast masses of land of nothingness in many parts of it, central Oz especially

Point being; In Q1 and Q2 they only need to get the main cities vaccinated where there have been spikes. The likes of Melbourne, Sydney etc

Its spread out into cities that are far apart with lots of nothing in the middle, those cities are just as high density if not more densely populated than Ireland, so not sure what point you are making here, suffice to say you are ignoring the fact that they have more people and hence more people to administer the vaccine.

Beasty

ShineOn7 wrote: »

A thousand percent agree

But, going by some of their defenders here, there's to be no calling out of the HSE in this thread apparently

No siree

Threadbanned

stephenjmcd

Donnelly on Newstalk running through what they expect.

By end of Q1 (March), first 3 priority groups will be covered, all will have had first dose. You'll have a few into the first week or two of April given the time between doses. Anyway its 1.4 million doses by end of March, 700,000 people

By end of Q2 (June) , All who are most at risk, priority groups etc will be vaccinated. After end of June they would expect to open it up to anyone else who wants it, your looking at the lowest groups here groups 13 & 14

End of Q3 (September) Anyone who wants it in general population completed

CIARAN_BOYLE

Gael23 wrote: »

Will cause difficulties for regulators I imagine then?

I would imagine so. I cant see the EU approving it but it's likely to still have a role in vaccinating the rest of the world.

Cork2021

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Donnelly on Newstalk running through what they expect.

By end of Q1 (March), first 3 priority groups will be covered, all will have had first dose. You'll have a few into the first week or two of April given the time between doses. Anyway its 1.4 million doses by end of March, 700,000 people

By end of Q2 (June) , All who are most at risk, priority groups etc will be vaccinated. After end of June they would expect to open it up to anyone else who wants it, your looking at the lowest groups here groups 13 & 14

End of Q3 (September) Anyone who wants it in general population completed

So some semblance of normality from July onwards? Possible level 2 after Easter?

Le Bruise

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Donnelly on Newstalk running through what they expect.

By end of Q1 (March), first 3 priority groups will be covered, all will have had first dose. You'll have a few into the first week or two of April given the time between doses. Anyway its 1.4 million doses by end of March, 700,000 people

By end of Q2 (June) , All who are most at risk, priority groups etc will be vaccinated. After end of June they would expect to open it up to anyone else who wants it, your looking at the lowest groups here groups 13 & 14

End of Q3 (September) Anyone who wants it in general population completed

Turned the interview on just as he was finishing up! Sounds promising for a good bit of domestic normality from mid summer, but did he say if those projections included the possible J&J vaccine (or any others in the pipeline), or is it just based on Pfizer, Astra and Moderna?

Wesekn.

Are we doing half-dose/full-dose

SteelyDanJalapeno

3 bags full

lbj666

Wesekn. wrote: »

Are we doing half-dose/full-dose

To quote someone else here

hmmm wrote: »

The data from the UK regulator showed 80% using FD/FD. Their paper suggested it was the longer length of time between doses which caused the difference in efficacy, and not the HD/FD combination. They've gone with FD/FD and a longer gap between doses.

lbj666

https://twitter.com/BarryAndrewsMEP/status/1349289783193972736


We're with you Barry and all that is an excel sheet.

seamus

Cork2021 wrote: »

So some semblance of normality from July onwards? Possible level 2 after Easter?

Yeah, possibly looking at level 2 or level 1 after Easter.

They will want to avoid the same mess that happened over Xmas, so I wouldn't expect any major lifting of restaurant or household restrictions for that weekend. But mid-April on we should start to see incremental lifting of restrictions for the last time.

is_that_so

lbj666 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BarryAndrewsMEP/status/1349289783193972736


We're with you Barry and all that is an excel sheet.

A few Danes too to teach us how to behave like Danes!

GreeBo

is_that_so wrote: »

A few Danes too to teach us how to behave like Danes!

You want to be more Danish?

You can't have your cake and eat it.

Skyfloater

lbj666 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BarryAndrewsMEP/status/1349289783193972736


We're with you Barry and all that is an excel sheet.

If we had something like this as a sticky it would save people a lot of searching through threads. Pity the Health dept won't provide it.

VG31

Preliminary data from Israel shows that the first Pfizer shot reduces infections by approximately 50%.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-data-shows-50-reduction-in-infections-14-days-after-first-vaccine-shot/

cameramonkey

JMR46 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DonnellyStephen/status/1349074274234097671?s=20

Not sure anyone has posted this, another update from Donnelly on how things are progressing.

He also confirmed we reached and exceeded the planned 35,000 doses last week

Why don't they give accurate dose numbers. It cannot be that difficult every few days to give a definitive number of people vaccinated and number of vaccines received into ireland. Instead of we did 35,000 last week or 40,000, just and accurate number saying how many on a particular date. The lack of clarity is not encouraging.

CIARAN_BOYLE

cameramonkey wrote: »

Why don't they give accurate dose numbers. It cannot be that difficult every few days to give a definitive number of people vaccinated and number of vaccines received into ireland. Instead of we did 35,000 last week or 40,000, just and accurate number saying how many on a particular date. The lack of clarity is not encouraging.

They are going to give it on the weekly hse operations press briefing.

Bubbaclaus

cameramonkey wrote: »

Why don't they give accurate dose numbers. It cannot be that difficult every few days to give a definitive number of people vaccinated and number of vaccines received into ireland. Instead of we did 35,000 last week or 40,000, just and accurate number saying how many on a particular date. The lack of clarity is not encouraging.

They are giving fully accurate numbers at the HSE briefing each Thursday. So will get them again tomorrow.

Marhay70

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

They are going to give it on the weekly hse operations press briefing.

The discrepancy may be because of obtaining 6 doses from a 5 dose vial, ie the official figure distibuted was 35,000 but the actual number obtained was 40,000.
Anyway, I see it as a positive .

hynesie08

lbj666 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BarryAndrewsMEP/status/1349289783193972736


We're with you Barry and all that is an excel sheet.

If Barry did speak Danish, he'd see that the entire second half of that graph is based on the word "expected"

So exactly the same as Ireland......

Hmmzis

Interesting read on how the 'end-game' for this might play out:

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2021/01/11/science.abe6522.full

They're basing their assumptions on other endemic CoVs and their dynamics in the population. The curious bit is that nearly nobody after the age of 15 gets an IgM boost during a CoV infection, indicating it's just recall responses in adulthood. Even antigenic drift in 229E doesn't seem to affect it by any measurable amount.

Their main hypothesis is that one has to encounter the pathogen a few times during childhood for the immune system to 'get the message'. The caveat here is that there is almost no adult on the planet who could be regarded as immunologically naïve to any of the endemic CoVs, so it's just a hypothesis with some modelling based on how the existing CoVs behave in us.

lbj666

hynesie08 wrote: »

If Barry did speak Danish, he'd see that the entire second half of that graph is based on the word "expected"

So exactly the same as Ireland......

The point is we havent even seen a graph or histogram with any numbers on it, just tweets