COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 2 [Mod Warning - Post #1]

trellheim

Cork2021 wrote: »

Good table and probably underestimated if we end up with more then 4 vaccines



https://twitter.com/smytho/status/1349769003271671815?s=21

That picture assumes approval of the vaccines which have not got authorisation yet. e.g J&J, AZ etc. EMA approval is not a done deal.

Anybody relying on those dates could get badly stung.

is_that_so

trellheim wrote: »

That picture assumes approval of the vaccines which have not got authorisation yet. e.g J&J, AZ etc. EMA approval is not a done deal.

Anybody relying on those dates could get badly stung.

It also assumes the 60-64 age group are immune!

Cork2021

trellheim wrote: »

That picture assumes approval of the vaccines which have not got authorisation yet. e.g J&J, AZ etc. EMA approval is not a done deal.

Anybody relying on those dates could get badly stung.

Do you know what? I don’t care, seeing these charts and graphs helps with morale and roll on April as a key worker I’ll have both arse cheeks raring to go!!!

Stark

It's a good graph. Would be nice if they listed assumptions as a footnote though. Eg: assuming AZ approval in January, Curevac approval in April etc.

Stark

Cork2021 wrote: »

This man just loves to be negative

https://twitter.com/astaines/status/1349655106128654338?s=21

I agree. I don't think we'll have a fully normal summer but we should have a summer like 2020 imo with level 2 style restrictions if most of the priority groups are vaccinated.

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN29J1DX

So it seems Russia are planning to submit an application next month for approval of Sputnik V in the EU.

Martina1991

lucernarian wrote: »

Yep, I know what a phlebotomist is, I'll be more careful with how I refer to laboratory staff in phlebotomy departments in future. The staff I know have been involved in diverse things from histology to PCR tests over the year and I wasn't sure on the right job title to use here. Thank you for providing a detailed rationale. I'm not aware of outbreaks directly caused in lab facilities, the risk exists. The nature of such work means you're already working in a BSL 2 lab where there is an assurance of PPE and safety for staff which should mean the risk is pretty low?

Ok no bother

Laboratory staff include laboratory aides, medical scientists (basic grade, senior and chief), laboratory manager as well as consultants and their secretaries.

The micro dept have safety cabinets for handing covid samples. PPE is lab coat, gloves and mask. The safety cabinets do not eliminate risk entirely. Accidents or spillage can always happen and aerosols can splash into the eyes skin or clothes.

Jim_Hodge

Cork2021 wrote: »

Good table and probably underestimated if we end up with more then 4 vaccines



https://twitter.com/smytho/status/1349769003271671815?s=21

When do people aged 60 to 65 get the vaccine?

Stheno

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

When do people aged 60 to 65 get the vaccine?

It's a typo they are in with the 55-59 year olds

Minier81

Martina1991 wrote: »

Ok no bother

Laboratory staff include laboratory aides, medical scientists (basic grade, senior and chief), laboratory manager as well as consultants and their secretaries.

The micro dept have safety cabinets for handing covid samples. PPE is lab coat, gloves and mask. The safety cabinets do not eliminate risk entirely. Accidents or spillage can always happen and aerosols can splash into the eyes skin or clothes.

Micro also crucial when hospital outbreaks happen , have heard of them advising departments about who are close versus casual contacts based on air flow etc even when social distanced observed. Hospitals can't run without these guys.

VG31

Stark wrote: »

I agree. I don't think we'll have a fully normal summer but we should have a summer like 2020 imo with level 2 style restrictions if most of the priority groups are vaccinated.

I don't expect a "normal" summer but level 2 restrictions would be quite underwhelming. We effectively had level 2 restrictions for most of last summer and that was without a vaccine. If a large proportion of the population including all the vulnerable are vaccinated by then, I think level 2 restrictions would be like suggesting that the vaccine hasn't made any difference.

stargazer 68

Cork2021 wrote: »

Do you know what? I don’t care, seeing these charts and graphs helps with morale and roll on April as a key worker I’ll have both arse cheeks raring to go!!!

Luckily for us that's not where the needle goes

Stheno

VG31 wrote: »

I don't expect a "normal" summer but level 2 restrictions would be quite underwhelming. We effectively had level 2 restrictions for most of last summer and that was without a vaccine. If a large proportion of the population including all the vulnerable are vaccinated by then, I think level 2 restrictions would be like suggesting that the vaccine hasn't made any difference.

Dublin at least never had level 2 - wet pubs never opened

VG31

Stheno wrote: »

Dublin at least never had level 2 - wet pubs never opened

Apart from that Dublin was level 2. It was almost autumn when wet pubs opened outside Dublin anyhow.

I think level 1 would be much more acceptable.

Martina1991

Minier81 wrote: »

Micro also crucial when hospital outbreaks happen , have heard of them advising departments about who are close versus casual contacts based on air flow etc even when social distanced observed. Hospitals can't run without these guys.

Yes, they work very closely with infection control. There is also a surveillance scientist who has to investigate, control and prevent outbreaks within the hospital and in facilities in the community. That's any kind of outbreak, not just Covid.

CIARAN_BOYLE

VG31 wrote: »

I don't expect a "normal" summer but level 2 restrictions would be quite underwhelming. We effectively had level 2 restrictions for most of last summer and that was without a vaccine. If a large proportion of the population including all the vulnerable are vaccinated by then, I think level 2 restrictions would be like suggesting that the vaccine hasn't made any difference.

There's some information coming from Israel that would suggest that there will be some suppression of transmission from the vaccine.

That could allow greater relaxation.

The lesson we learned was that at level 2 case numbers will grow. I don't think enough people will be vaccinated to suppress the R number in a massive way.

Later summer we can definitely go lower than level 2. Early summer it probably depends on how far we suppress the numbers before we start opening up.

Let's say for example 2,000 cases a day and growing with the vulnerable vaccinated is not something we can manage. 500 cases a day and growing like we are at level 2 might be something we can support for a month or two.

Cork2021

stargazer 68 wrote: »

Luckily for us that's not where the needle goes

I’ll let them put it anywhere they want!! Except for some sensitive areas

Stark

VG31 wrote: »

I don't expect a "normal" summer but level 2 restrictions would be quite underwhelming. We effectively had level 2 restrictions for most of last summer and that was without a vaccine. If a large proportion of the population including all the vulnerable are vaccinated by then, I think level 2 restrictions would be like suggesting that the vaccine hasn't made any difference.

We didn't have mutant strains either. With 50-70% more transmittable strains, we'd do very well to get daily case numbers down to the single digits again even with vaccines imo. Of course everything depends on how much the vaccines themselves reduce transmission but with them starting with groups with lower numbers of average social contacts, I wouldn't expect miracles on the case numbers side.

Vaccinating the vulnerable will substantially reduce the mortality and hospitalization rate but we can't just let the case numbers run into the tens of thousands either. Youngest person to die today was 25.

Godot.

Any news on the EMA potentially forwarding the approval date for AstraZeneca?

CIARAN_BOYLE

Godot. wrote: »

Any news on the EMA potentially forwarding the approval date for AstraZeneca?

No.

The date was set based on how long they think it will take them to review the submission.

stephenjmcd

Godot. wrote: »

Any news on the EMA potentially forwarding the approval date for AstraZeneca?

I doubt they will. Its essentially a two week turn around as it is

snowcat

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

There's some information coming from Israel that would suggest that there will be some suppression of transmission from the vaccine.

That could allow greater relaxation.

The lesson we learned was that at level 2 case numbers will grow. I don't think enough people will be vaccinated to suppress the R number in a massive way.

Later summer we can definitely go lower than level 2. Early summer it probably depends on how far we suppress the numbers before we start opening up.

Let's say for example 2,000 cases a day and growing with the vulnerable vaccinated is not something we can manage. 500 cases a day and growing like we are at level 2 might be something we can support for a month or two.

Israel record cases and deaths with 20 % of the population vaccinated.

Stark

20% given their first dose, not 20% fully vaccinated. Will probably be a few weeks before they really see the benefit.

snowcat

Stark wrote: »

20% given their first dose, not 20% fully vaccinated. Will probably be a few weeks before they really see the benefit.

At that rate we will not be seeing any benefit until 2022

Deeper Blue

Do people have to try and poke holes in everything? It's tiresome

gally74

the ucc presentation is v interesting,

If there is a seasonal effect with this virus Ike other coronavirsus, then there may be no need to vaccinate so many during the summer vs, doing it in autumn to cover the winter months,

I reckon were in for a normal summer once the priority groups get the vacc,

snowcat

El Sueño wrote: »

Do people have to try and poke holes in everything? It's tiresome

We all have a dream..

Cluedo Monopoly

Have any high profile vaccines actually failed in their clinical trials?

ACitizenErased

Vaccine numbers added to the hub.

Total Vaccines Administered (1st Dose)
77,303
https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

snowcat

I see now there is facilities offering the vaccine to the wealthy. It was bound to happen. I can see a surplus of vaccines once oxford etc come online.