COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 2 [Mod Warning - Post #1]

Spanish Eyes

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Does anyone know the logistics of calling people for the vaccine?

Is it by PPS number, GP etc? I can’t figure out how they know who falls into which category and where they get the information from.

lucernarian wrote: »

Been wondering this also.

Me too.

seamus

polesheep wrote: »

But according to some on here there is no issue.

You say it though like if they don't have a date yet, they won't get one for six months. They will have a date by the end of the month, at the very, very latest.

There seems to be a misunderstanding the the priority group list set out who was permitted to get the vaccine, and when. And that we couldn't move onto one group until we had finished the previous one.

The fact that multiple groups are being run in parallel, is not an issue. The fact that someone in group 4 might get it before someone in group 1 purely down to logistics and scheduling, is not an issue.

So long as people are broadly being prioritised according to the schedule, there is no issue.

GreeBo

lucernarian wrote: »

Been wondering this also.

Israel use the mandatory health insurance card for exactly this, but the HSE haters will tell you it didn't help...

I guess it will be PPS based, though not sure what personal details that has

landofthetree

3457 positive swabs, 15.11% positivity on 22,874 tests.
- Friday, January 15th 2021
#COVID19Ireland

hmmm

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Pfizer statement. Would appear to be only a small number of weeks.

This might be the right thing for Pfizer, but it doesn't sound like something governments would have chosen. If they'd implemented this in March there'd be other vaccines to take up the slack. As it is we will lose vaccine supply when we most need it, and will see greater supply later in the year when it will be less important.

hynesie08

hmmm wrote: »

This might be the right thing for Pfizer, but it doesn't sound like something governments would have chosen. If they'd implemented this in March there'd be other vaccines to take up the slack. As it is we will lose vaccine supply when we most need it, and will see greater supply later in the year when it will be less important.

Will it be balanced out by the 6th dose though?

bodhrandude

My Quebec mate sent this article from a Norwegian newspaper called See.News. Norway; 23 dead after receiving Pfizer BioNTech vaccine.

ACitizenErased

bodhrandude wrote: »

My Quebec mate sent this article from a Norwegian newspaper called See.News. Norway; 23 dead after receiving Pfizer BioNTech vaccine.

All over 80 and in nursing homes, 13 died from the fever/nausea side effects. They should've been checked before getting it, to be fair.

Stark

At least one was advised against getting the vaccine but wanted it anyway.

hmmm

ACitizenErased wrote: »

13 died from the fever/nausea side effects.

What "source" are you using for this fake news?

ACitizenErased

hmmm wrote: »

What "source" are you using for this fake news?

ABC News.. and the Norwegian Medicines Agency...
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/norway-adjusts-advice-vaccine-deaths-alarmed-75272822


The agency listed fever and nausea as side effects which “may have led to the deaths of some frail patients,” Sigurd Hortemo of the Norwegian Medicines Agency said in the body’s first report of the side effects.
More than 30,000 people have received the first shot of the Pfizer or Moderna coronavirus vaccine in the Scandinavian country since the end of December, according to official figures.
“We are not alarmed by this. It is quite clear that these vaccines have very little risk, with a small exception for the frailest patients,” Steinar Madsen, medical director with the agency, told Norwegian broadcaster NRK.
“Doctors must now carefully consider who should be vaccinated. Those who are very frail and at the very end of life can be vaccinated after an individual assessment,” he added.

Amirani

hmmm wrote: »

What "source" are you using for this fake news?

The Norwegian Medicines Agency: https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/norway-adjusts-advice-vaccine-deaths-alarmed-75272822

It's not surprising. The fraility of many people in nursing homes, often terminally ill, means that any medical treatment or procedure can cause mild side affects what will be impactful.

This isn't a consideration you would have heard from those who were complaining about "the slowness" of our rollout due to factors such as acquiring consent and assessing whether it was appropriate to provide to a patient.

hmmm

Amirani wrote: »

The Norwegian Medicines Agency: https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/norway-adjusts-advice-vaccine-deaths-alarmed-75272822

I'm still not seeing it. Where does it say that 13 people died from the vaccine?

ixoy

Amirani wrote: »

It's not surprising. The fraility of many people in nursing homes, often terminally ill, means that any medical treatment or procedure can cause mild side affects what will be impactful.

Correct and all but I'm sure that certain people will jump on this story, without its context, and now refuse the vaccine.

is_that_so

A bit of a slipup for Neidersachsen in Germany and their vaccination plan!

German toddlers called Fritz or Adele could be invited for a Covid-19 vaccination while octogenarian Peters and Brigittes will not, as an overzealous interpretation of data privacy laws in one state has forced officials to guess people’s ages from their first names.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/15/german-covvaccine-officials-play-name-game-to-comply-with-data-privacy-laws

hmmm

ixoy wrote: »

Correct and all but I'm sure that certain people will jump on this story, without its context, and now refuse the vaccine.

This is the actual Norwegian Medicines Agency press release, which is substantially different to "these people died of side effects from the vaccine".

"All deaths that occur within the first few days of vaccination are carefully assessed. We cannot rule out that adverse reactions to the vaccine occurring within the first days following vaccination (such as fever and nausea) may contribute to more serious course and fatal outcome in patients with severe underlying disease. "

Don't be spreading this sort of stuff about the vaccine killing people based on spurious news reports and scaring people.

ACitizenErased

hmmm wrote: »

This is the actual Norwegian Medicines Agency press release, which is substantially different to "these people died of side effects from the vaccine".

"All deaths that occur within the first few days of vaccination are carefully assessed. We cannot rule out that adverse reactions to the vaccine occurring within the first days following vaccination (such as fever and nausea) may contribute to more serious course and fatal outcome in patients with severe underlying disease. "

Don't be spreading this sort of stuff about the vaccine killing people based on spurious news reports and scaring people.

Who said that? I posted it said 13 died from the side effects. Calm down a bit.

seamus

is_that_so wrote: »

A bit of a slipup for Neidersachsen in Germany and their vaccination plan!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/15/german-covvaccine-officials-play-name-game-to-comply-with-data-privacy-laws

Those Germans. They'd literally rather keep getting infected than bring in an emergency law for exceptional use of private data.

Their dedication to data privacy is really something. Understandable of course, given their history.

hmmm

hmmm wrote: »

This is the actual Norwegian Medicines Agency press release, which is substantially different to "these people died of side effects from the vaccine".

"All deaths that occur within the first few days of vaccination are carefully assessed. We cannot rule out that adverse reactions to the vaccine occurring within the first days following vaccination (such as fever and nausea) may contribute to more serious course and fatal outcome in patients with severe underlying disease. "

Don't be spreading this sort of stuff about the vaccine killing people based on spurious news reports and scaring people.

Exactly right. People look at a sensationalist headline and immediately jump to conclusions. Baseless fearmongering without actually taking into account all the information available.

Newuser2

GreeBo wrote: »

Israel use the mandatory health insurance card for exactly this, but the HSE haters will tell you it didn't help...

I guess it will be PPS based, though not sure what personal details that has

Will they make announcements for each grouping to register online

You then pick a slot at a Vaccination centre or opt for pharmacy/GP

Amirani

hmmm wrote: »

Don't be spreading this sort of stuff about the vaccine killing people based on spurious news reports and scaring people.

Nobody said this.

hmmm

Amirani wrote: »

Nobody said this.

Let me just quote ACE in a previous post:
"All over 80 and in nursing homes, 13 died from the fever/nausea side effects"

ACitizenErased

hmmm wrote: »

Let me just quote ACE in a previous post:
"All over 80 and in nursing homes, 13 died from the fever/nausea side effects"

Where in that post does it say the vaccine killed people? It says they died from fever/nausea, a side effect of the vaccine. You make it sound like I said they took the vaccine and they died on the spot.

Datacore

From Reuters

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-pfizer-idUKKBN29K1HW?taid=60019c651a90330001f1aada&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

OSLO (Reuters) - Pfizer will temporarily reduce its deliveries to Europe of its vaccine against COVID-19 while it upgrades its production capacity, the company and the Norwegian Institute of Public Health (FHI) said on Friday.

“We received this message today a little before 10am (0900 GMT). We had expected 43,875 vaccines doses from Pfizer in week 3 (next week). Now it appears that we will get 36,075 doses,” the FHI said in a statement.

The reduction in deliveries is due to Pfizer limiting output so that it can upgrade production capacity to 2 billion vaccine doses per year from 1.3 billion currently, the FHI said.”

BioNTech have acquired a Novartis biotech plant in Marberg near their HQ in Germany, which comes on stream in February, and can produce 750m doses.

https://www.fiercepharma.com/manufacturing/biontech-buys-novartis-plant-for-covid-19-vaccine-eyes-capacity-up-to-750m-doses

seamus

Newuser2 wrote: »

Will they make announcements for each grouping to register online

You then pick a slot at a Vaccination centre or opt for pharmacy/GP

I made a quick stab at how I reckon registration and delivery is likely to occur for the various groups

|Group|Registration|Delivery
1|LTCF Residents 65+|On-Site|On-site
2|Frontline healthcare workers|On-Site|On-site
3|People aged 70 and older|Medical Cards & GPs|GP
4|Other healthcare workers not in direct patient contact|On-Site|On-site
5|People aged 65-69|Medical Cards & GPs|GP
6|Key workers|Employer Records & On-Site|GP & MVC
7|People aged 18-64 with certain medical conditions|Medical Cards & GPs|GP & MVC
8|Residents of long-term care facilities aged 18-64|On-Site|On-Site
9|People aged 18-64 living or working in crowded settings|On-Site & On-Demand|MVC
10|Key workers in essential jobs who cannot avoid a high risk of exposure|Employer Records & On-Site|MVC
11|People working in education sector|Employer Records & On-Site teams|MVC
12|People aged 55-64|GP & On-Demand|GP & MVC
13|Other workers in occupations important to the functioning of society|Employer Records|On-Site & MVC
14|Other people aged 18-54|On-Demand|MVC
15|People aged under 18 and pregnant women|On-Demand|MVC


"On-Site" registration means that someone literally walks around the building taking names and giving you appointments.
"On-Demand" meaning you register online or through your GP for an vaccination. Whereas "GP" registration means your GP makes contact with you to invite you.
"MVC" - Mass Vaccination Centre

funnydoggy

seamus wrote: »

I made a quick stab at how I reckon registration and delivery is likely to occur for the various groups

|Group|Registration|Delivery
1|LTCF Residents 65+|On-Site|On-site
2|Frontline healthcare workers|On-Site|On-site
3|People aged 70 and older|Medical Cards & GPs|GP
4|Other healthcare workers not in direct patient contact|On-Site|On-site
5|People aged 65-69|Medical Cards & GPs|GP
6|Key workers|Employer Records & On-Site|GP & MVC
7|People aged 18-64 with certain medical conditions|Medical Cards & GPs|GP & MVC
8|Residents of long-term care facilities aged 18-64|On-Site|On-Site
9|People aged 18-64 living or working in crowded settings|On-Site & On-Demand|MVC
10|Key workers in essential jobs who cannot avoid a high risk of exposure|Employer Records & On-Site|MVC
11|People working in education sector|Employer Records & On-Site teams|MVC
12|People aged 55-64|GP & On-Demand|GP & MVC
13|Other workers in occupations important to the functioning of society|Employer Records|On-Site & MVC
14|Other people aged 18-54|On-Demand|MVC
15|People aged under 18 and pregnant women|On-Demand|MVC

"On-Site" registration means that someone literally walks around the building taking names and giving you appointments.
"On-Demand" meaning you register online or through your GP for an vaccination. Whereas "GP" registration means your GP makes contact with you to invite you.
"MVC" - Mass Vaccination Centre

MVC - pharmacies etc?

seamus

Yeah, totally forgot pharmacies, but yes, you can include them with "MVC"

For the huge cohorts, GPs won't really be practical delivery sites, they'd be inundated. MVC's, mobile vaccination trucks and pharmacies would be the only way to handle it.

lucernarian

seamus wrote: »

The fact that multiple groups are being run in parallel, is not an issue. The fact that someone in group 4 might get it before someone in group 1 purely down to logistics and scheduling, is not an issue.

So long as people are broadly being prioritised according to the schedule, there is no issue.

The covid nurses and doctors of that video are quite upset about the provision of the vaccine in hospitals and for admin staff where covid patients are not treated, if you watched it.

You don't seem to understand the importance of timing and circumstances as opposed to throughput and overall data. When the wider vaccination scheme is under way, who is priority 7 or priority 9, if groups are stratified further or not, it won't make much difference in the scheme of things (mass vaccination and AZ vaccine will mean small changes will barely be noticeable in the timetable).

In the early days and weeks, exactly who gets it and when is very important when it's also being driven to get a current severe outbreak under control before hospitals are overwhelmed. In a sense, it's a race against time. A tweak in one direction or another with such a limited supply of the vaccine right now will mean delays of weeks, not days for some who are at high risk of getting it, passing it on, or no longer being able to treat patients.

These "why A not B" issues will die out after April by my estimation, but in the here and now while community transmission is so high and surveillance has to be curtailed, they really are an issue that needs to be addressed, reactively even.

Russman

Has there been any further clarity regarding group 6 Key Workers ?

Stheno

seamus wrote: »

Those Germans. They'd literally rather keep getting infected than bring in an emergency law for exceptional use of private data.

Their dedication to data privacy is really something. Understandable of course, given their history.

seamus wrote: »

Yeah, totally forgot pharmacies, but yes, you can include them with "MVC"

For the huge cohorts, GPs won't really be practical delivery sites, they'd be inundated. MVC's, mobile vaccination trucks and pharmacies would be the only way to handle it.

A lot of pharmacies are currently unable to use their consulting room as it's too small

The last time I needed a consultation with my pharmacist I went and sat in the room and they rang my mobile

Unsure if even after they were vaccinated they could use the room