COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 2 [Mod Warning - Post #1]

iamwhoiam

salmocab wrote: »

What sort of places are they using for these?

Army set up tents in the Phoenix Park for GP and GP nurses

Stheno

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Army set up tents in the Phoenix Park for GP and GP nurses

And a hotel is being used in Portlaoise

Sanjuro

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Army set up tents in the Phoenix Park for GP and GP nurses

Do you know where in Phoneix Park they've set up?

Just out of curiosity. I promise I wont bum-rush the place. :pac:

Datacore

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Good stuff.

Looks like the mass vaccination centres set up for GPs this weekend seem to be running well also. Good to see

I’m surprised there’s none in Munster. Quite a lot of concern kicking off in Cork and Limerick over that. There’s 1.28 million people in the Munster and over half a million in Cork alone.

I appreciate they’re rolling out but, you’d have expected centres in say Cork, Limerick & probably Portlaoise to follow the M7 & M8 motorway catchment area. That gives highly convenient access to a large population zone.

Also needs to be one serving the southeast.

I would also hope they’re rapidly targeting everyone on the front lines in Donegal and the border counties. It’s been one of the most at risk regions throughout the pandemic.

stephenjmcd

Datacore wrote: »

I’m surprised there’s none in Munster. Quite a lot of concern kicking off in Cork and Limerick over that. There’s 1.28 million people in the Munster and over half a million in Cork alone.

I appreciate they’re rolling out but, you’d have expected centres in say Cork, Limerick & probably Portlaoise to follow the M7 & M8 motorway catchment area.

Also needs to be one serving the southeast.

Its purely to trial it with some GPs.

Wouldn't be reading too much into it, essentially to proof how it works before the rollout of MVC is needed.

When its gets to general population and other groups then you get a rollout of mass vaccination centres. This weekend is purely a test run with GPs.

There's a list of 15 MVC so far for the general rollout around the country with more to follow.

Datacore

They’d want to get the messaging right on that. It’s really playing out badly in the south of the country.

stephenjmcd

Datacore wrote: »

They’d want to get the messaging right on that. It’s really playing out badly in the south of the country.

Its pretty well reported on that its 3 mass vaccination centres for GPs this weekend as a sort of test run and using Moderna.

Not sure what the issue is to be honest, everyone knows there's going to be multiple mass vaccination centres country wide

Datacore

They don’t know anything about it from what I can see and it hasn’t been clearly communicated at all.

They’re talking, once again, to a bubble.

I was on a few conference calls earlier on involving people from across Cork and Kerry and the sense was that it was “typical” and they’re being abandoned by a government that’s dropped the ball.

All the comparisons are to the U.K. rollout speed and the U.K. communication on how successful they are being is extremely strong as Boris wants to sing his praises on the one thing he may have got right.

They need to heavily publicise exactly what’s being rolled out. It’s not being picked up upon beyond these forums and maybe in healthcare grapevines from my observations of it.

Whether or not this is a good rollout, the vast majority of the population simply assume the worst of the HSE and that’s often due to bad experiences with A&Es, ludicrous waiting lists and so on.

There isn’t a whole lot of confidence amongst the public and an assumption the system could fail to deliver.

iamwhoiam

Sanjuro wrote: »

Do you know where in Phoneix Park they've set up?

Just out of curiosity. I promise I wont bum-rush the place. :pac:

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40208300.html%3ftype=amp


In the grounds of St Marys I believe

salmocab

A couple of weeks ago I was reading that cork were being looked after because of MM now they’re being put against. This local stuff is a pile of Sh1t people need to cop on.

Datacore

Well if you fail to communicate messages properly, that’s the kind of thing that happens.

They need to have a big, easy to navigate, website explaining what’s going to happen and when and publicise it heavily.

Otherwise you’re relying on the news as absorbed by the grapevine.

Should be something like www. vaccine. ie / rollout

astrofool

Datacore wrote: »

They don’t know anything about it from what I can see and it hasn’t been clearly communicated at all.

They’re talking, once again, to a bubble.

I was on a few conference calls earlier on involving people from across Cork and Kerry and the sense was that it was “typical” and they’re being abandoned by a government that’s dropped the ball.

All the comparisons are to the U.K. rollout speed and the U.K. communication on how successful they are being is extremely strong as Boris wants to sing his praises on the one thing he may have got right.

They need to heavily publicise exactly what’s being rolled out. It’s not being picked up upon beyond these forums and maybe in healthcare grapevines from my observations of it.

Whether or not this is a good rollout, the vast majority of the population simply assume the worst of the HSE and that’s often due to bad experiences with A&Es, ludicrous waiting lists and so on.

There isn’t a whole lot of confidence amongst the public and an assumption the system could fail to deliver.

Honestly, if people from Munster don't understand that the trial for GP's is occurring in Dublin, and that there's 14 MVC's to come online around the country as vaccine supplies increase, then the problem is with the people of Munster. It's been in every newspaper and online source, and your post reads in a very tribal way.

Datacore

astrofool wrote: »

Honestly, if people from Munster don't understand that the trial for GP's is occurring in Dublin, and that there's 14 MVC's to come online around the country as vaccine supplies increase, then the problem is with the people of Munster. It's been in every newspaper and online source, and your post reads in a very tribal way.

I’m not even from Munster. I’m just reading it as I’m hearing it and I think they need to be a lot more clear in their communication as people are becoming very disheartened and annoyed, particularly in the light of the constant comparison to the U.K. rollout which is much further along.

If you’d a clear road map a lot of people would feel much more comfortable:

The problem isn’t tribal. It’s that they don’t trust the HSE. The assumption is it’s being slow or dropping the ball all over the place because the vaccines are being perceived to be late and slow moving. I realise that’s due to regulation but most people I’ve spoken to don’t and are seeing it as incompetence.

stephenjmcd

astrofool wrote: »

Honestly, if people from Munster don't understand that the trial for GP's is occurring in Dublin, and that there's 14 MVC's to come online around the country as vaccine supplies increase, then the problem is with the people of Munster. It's been in every newspaper and online source, and your post reads in a very tribal way.

I was literally about to post similar. Theres multiple articles recently. All you have to do is Google mass vaccination centres Ireland. Here's just one, its not difficult to find.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/covid-19-donnelly-says-4m-to-be-inoculated-by-end-of-september-as-mass-vaccination-centres-planned-1.4457749

There's also 2 quite comprehensive documents on the HSE website, one on vaccine allocation and one on rollout. Both living documents and change as things happen

Datacore

Again: “comprehensive documents” aren’t read by the majority of people outside of those particularly interested in the topic. You need a big simple map with clicky things.

I’m even encountering a lot of people who don’t know there’s a “stay at home” element to Level 5. I’d a guy on the phone earlier who thought there was a 2km limit and that it was ok to catch up with your friends, as long as it was in a park.

Another woman thought we were in “Tier 3”.

Loads of people are of the view that the EU or the government (or both) have dropped the ball and the whole vaccine programme is a mess. While that isn’t true that’s what’s being absorbed. You’d U.K. politicians running hard comparisons with Europe and its being heavily absorbed here.

The comms in my view are a mess of jargon and levels and more jargon, often aimed at people who know what’s happening. Most of the general public don’t pay that much attention.

You’re also in a period where people are getting their on social media because the aren’t socialising much. That’s feeding into bubbles of misinformation.

If you want to get a clear message about the vaccination programme it needs to be extremely simple and preferably a graphical road map to vaccines basically.

We are going to need that, particularly to counter a whole load of misinterpretation, deliberate misinformation and conspiracy theories as the months go on. Clear, well presented info is absolutely vital right now and I think we have really begun to lose that in a whole lot of noise and jargon.

It needs to be about open, easy to read, well presented data, not spin.

Godot.

Datacore wrote: »

I’m not even from Munster. I’m just reading it as I’m hearing it and I think they need to be a lot more clear in their communication as people are becoming very disheartened and annoyed, particularly in the light of the constant comparison to the U.K. rollout which is much further along.

If you’d a clear road map a lot of people would feel much more comfortable:

The problem isn’t tribal. It’s that they don’t trust the HSE. The assumption is it’s being slow or dropping the ball all over the place because the vaccines are being perceived to be late and slow moving. I realise that’s due to regulation but most people I’ve spoken to don’t and are seeing it as incompetence.

Maybe the problem is we as a country soak in too much UK media. We should stop making comparisons, we're going as fast as we can under the current vaccine constraints.

My concern is more to do with EU bureaucracy, their lack of agility rather than the national government. For all the many benefits of the EU, it's a discussion that has to be had if it wants to thrive.

Amirani

gctest50 wrote: »

Dr Colm Henry said the 14-day-incidence rate, at 1,449, is 20 times what it was in early December, adding that Ireland is the second worst in Europe.


Just as well the peat-fired power stations are shut down - be able to convert them into nice mass crematoriums if their masterplan doesn't work out

It's a bit unusual that someone would think like this to be honest.

Datacore

Amirani wrote: »

It's a bit unusual that someone would think like this to be honest.

I’m not to be honest. That’s an aspect of Ireland that isn’t bubbly or self confident. It’s somewhere that tends to always think the worst of itself, likely due to history. So when you bad news like this, particularly where were criticised internationally, the mood here turns dark, depressive and self-flagellating and fits an embedded cultural narrative about failure.

That’s the reason I’m saying we need to ensure the vaccine communication is extremely clear. This isn’t the US or the UK - our self assuredness can be in very short supply.

We aren’t doing badly on the vaccine front, certainly within an EU context, but it’s not the impression that is being felt.

CrabRevolution

Datacore wrote: »

I’m not to be honest. That’s an aspect of Ireland that isn’t bubbly or self confident. It’s somewhere that tends to always think the worst of itself, likely due to history. So when you bad news like this, particularly where were criticised internationally, the mood here turns dark, depressive and self-flagellating and fits an embedded cultural narrative about failure.

That’s the reason I’m saying we need to ensure the vaccine communication is extremely clear. This isn’t the US or the UK - our self assuredness can be in very short supply.

We aren’t doing badly on the vaccine front, certainly within an EU context, but it’s not the impression that is being felt.

You're falling a bit into the fallacy that many believed when the internet first started, that unfettered public access to reams of information will render misinformation, lies and conspiracies a thing of the past. The theory goes that when all information is available, the truth will rise to the top. This is patently false and it's been the major topic of the last decade how emotive, targeted lies have far more impact and resonance than well presented truth ever will.

You could have the clearest, most concise and informative website on earth and people won't bother accessing it and absorbing the information. What they will absorb however is forwarded whatsapp messages saying it's a conspiracy against Cork, or a shared post by your uncle saying it's the Greens looking out for Dublin yet again.

Datacore

If the information is hard to find and the official communication is confusing, lacking, badly presented or self contradictory, then those WhatsApp messages will be what (mis)informs people.

CrabRevolution

Datacore wrote: »

If the information is hard to find and the official communication is confusing, lacking or self contradictory, then those WhatsApp messages will be what (mis)informs people.

But you're assuming that people are actively looking for the information, when for the most part they aren't. Most people absorb news fairly passively; through seeing posts online, whatsapp messages, the radio in the car etc.

I think the number of people who heard about today's vaccinations and immediately went looking for an authoritative government source for info is few to none. A well put together website would be an irrelevance to them.

Russman

CrabRevolution wrote: »

But you're assuming that people are actively looking for the information, when for the most part they aren't. Most people absorb news fairly passively; through seeing posts online, whatsapp messages, the radio in the car etc.

I think the number of people who heard about today's vaccinations and immediately went looking for an authoritative government source for info is few to none. A well put together website would be an irrelevance to them.

Absolutely. They’d be much better off with a well put together 5 minute broadcast explaining the roll out, on tv after the main evening news or something.

Datacore

Russman wrote: »

Absolutely. They’d be much better off with a well put together 5 minute broadcast explaining the roll out, on tv after the main evening news or something.

Anything as long as it’s clear and not someone spinning or unsure of the facts and figures.

There’s so much “noise” about vaccines that it needs to be EXTREMELY clear.

VG31

Further year of Covid curbs needed to protect public, says top health official

Dr Colm Henry, chief clinical officer at the HSE, said in radio comments that social distancing and restrictions in some form were likely for the rest of 2021 at least, until enough of the population could be vaccinated to grant general or herd immunity.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/further-year-of-covid-curbs-needed-to-protect-public-says-top-health-official-1.4460359

So vaccinations are supposed to be completed by September, yet we will have at least another year of restrictions? I hope this is just an extremely conservative outlook otherwise it's a completely ridiculous thing to say.

is_that_so

Datacore wrote: »

Well if you fail to communicate messages properly, that’s the kind of thing that happens.

They need to have a big, easy to navigate, website explaining what’s going to happen and when and publicise it heavily.

Otherwise you’re relying on the news as absorbed by the grapevine.

Should be something like www. vaccine. ie / rollout

If people persist in using Facebook and Twitter echo chambers for news I've no sympathy for them. It was spelt out on Thursday at the HSE briefing. They also mentioned regional centres and that HSE Estates are looking for locations nationwide. This information is not hard to find if you can be bothered.

lbj666

Yet we've other gob****es saying it was rolled out in hospitals in Cork first only cause the Taoiseach from there. You can't win with some people and those on the PR side can't play whack a mole with every moronic narrative that pops up. It was made very clear to the media these mvcs were pilot runs to trial the system , they just choose to leave that bit out of the headline. Moron choose not to read beyond it.

is_that_so

VG31 wrote: »

Further year of Covid curbs needed to protect public, says top health official



https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/further-year-of-covid-curbs-needed-to-protect-public-says-top-health-official-1.4460359

So vaccinations are supposed to be completed by September, yet we will have at least another year of restrictions? I hope this is just an extremely conservative outlook otherwise it's a completely ridiculous thing to say.

He has no idea but he also can't say we'll be free in September because people will party in June!

Away With The Fairies

There's an online vaccine calculator. I entered my details and I can get my vaccine between September 2021 and May 2022.

May 2022? Can they really be that slow with the roll out?

stephenjmcd

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

There's an online vaccine calculator. I entered my details and I can get my vaccine between September 2021 and May 2022.

May 2022? Can they really be that slow with the roll out?

That thing is the greatest load of nonsense, its far from accurate. Ignore it

Away With The Fairies

stephenjmcd wrote: »

That thing is the greatest load of nonsense, its far from accurate. Ignore it

I hope it's inaccurate. I'm hoping for concerts back for 2022.