COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 2 [Mod Warning - Post #1]

Datacore

They’re front line medical staff working in simple office like surgeries with very little specialist equipment and are the first port of call for most people with most illnesses. They also do house calls and are likely to be first in line to encounter a patient who could have anything!

They’re both at huge risk and also a risk as a vector to spread the disease inadvertently.

It makes absolute sense to vaccinate them.

gally74

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/cabinet-considers-91m-plan-for-gps-and-pharmacists-to-vaccinate-1-5m-people-1.4461697

for anyone on 350 a week, 120 an hour is a real kick.....In the ...... Or a student nurse on 100,


It seems very generous, I get we need speed, but as a society, it seeMs wrong....

gally74

it's a lack of data and kpi s byvregion that is driving this, all unoivadble, measure wha matters,,,,

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/hospitals-in-south-and-southwest-getting-lion-s-share-of-covid-vaccines-1.4461709

Peregrinus

Datacore wrote: »

They’re front line medical staff working in simple office like surgeries with very little specialist equipment and are the first port of call for most people with most illnesses. They also do house calls and are likely to be first in line to encounter a patient who could have anything!

They’re both at huge risk and also a risk as a vector to spread the disease inadvertently.

This. Especially since they peole they most often come into contact with include a disproportionately large share of those who are particularly at risk from CV-19.

bee06

I think you might find you have a problem with your own GP rather than all of them. I’ve been to my own GP 6 times since March. Funnily enough four of those times were for vaccinations for my children. Because just to spell it out, GP’s also vaccinate people and will be giving Covid vaccines too.

Do you really think that someone who will be seeing multiple people a day including vulnerable people shouldn’t be vaccinated first for everyone’s safety?

JTMan

What is the likely vaccine timeline from here for the EMA approved vaccines?

- Oxford/Astrazeneca likely approved late January 2021.
- J&J likely submission in February 2021 to the EMA with approval in February 2021 or early March 2021.

Then what?
- Will Novavax submit to the EMA in Q1 2021. Is that the expectation?
- Do we need to wait until the June/July to get the CureVac vaccine?
- I assume Sanofi-GSK will be late 2021 if ever.

Are there other EC agreed vaccines on the horizon?

Szero

JTMan wrote: »

Bloomberg reports here (paywall):

- The European Union’s executive arm will urge member states to set a target for vaccinating at least 70% of the bloc’s population by this summer.
- The European Commission will also vow to agree with member states by the end of this month on a protocol for vaccination certificates. Such certificates could replace quarantines and test-requirements, proving that “you are no longer high-risk for travel.”
- Vaccination certificates that would allow travel to resume -- at least for those who receive the jab.

Good idea for vaccination certificates, makes sense that those who have the jab can fly and should encourage vaccine take-up. The over 70's will be heading on the first sun holidays!!

A surge in sun holiday bookings is occurring by the over 50's ... https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/19/holiday-bookings-surge-as-covid-vaccinations-increase-travel-hopes?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

EasyJet Holidays sees summer bookings surge 250% ... https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55709110

Polar101

gally74 wrote: »

for anyone on 350 a week, 120 an hour is a real kick.....In the ...... Or a student nurse on 100,

It seems very generous, I get we need speed, but as a society, it seeMs wrong....

Doctors, nurses and pharmacists getting compensated to work in the vaccination program sounds like a good plan to me, rather than a failure of society. Envy isn't the first emotion that comes to mind when I think of HCW's during the pandemic.

Sky King

Varadkar said there would be 15 mass vaccination centres as well the GPs and pharmacists.

I wonder what the plan is there.

Gael23

Cost shouldn’t come into this. It costs whatever is necessary to get us out of this mess.

Hospitals seem to be doing all their staff, not just frontline workers so that’s another group done. I was with a consultant yesterday and his secretary had received it.

titan18

Melanchthon wrote: »

Thanks but my question is more, how many GP's and Pharmacists is there, what through put are they expecting per day while also doing their normal jobs? I know the flu jab is done each year and is "relatively" successful (been told by person in the know that it does causes issues for some places).
We've already started to see lack of planning in terms of the vaccine rollout and it's relatively small scale at the minute.

There's about 3500 registered GPs as far as I know, so even excluding pharmacists, 12k a day does seem low.

Sweet.Science

GPs riding the gravy train since this pandemic began . Now it gets even better for them

The pandemic has made the rich / poor divide get even bigger

We are all in this together

Ted_YNWA

Mod - threads merged

mariaalice

nino1 wrote: »

I was very annoyed to see GP's getting prioritised for the vaccines over other more deserving groups considering the way that they have squirrelled away since the beginning of COVID.
The vast majority have been doing telephone consultations and if they see a patient you can be damn sure they are questioned in fine detail about any possible symptoms and only seen (in full PPE gear) if they have no symptoms and if its absolutely necessary.
They are hardly at high risk given this behaviour and have a cheek to be demanding being prioritised over other groups.

Take a person with Covid symptoms that rings up the GP. The GP says don't come anywhere near the surgery we will fax through a prescription to the pharmacy. The same patient then strolls into the pharmacy coughing and spluttering waiting for their prescription to be filled.


Yet the GP staff get the vaccine before pharmacy staff!!

They should be well done the list after the over 70's IMO considering the way they have acted since the pandemic started.

To sum up, The GP is not seeing the OP and only doing phone consults therefore the GP is not seeing anyone!!!, the lack of understanding in the OP post is staggering, all GP are triaging people the OP did not get seen in person because they did not need to be seen in per

All GP have some patient contact and they are going to be administering the vaccine and therefore have to be vaccinated themselves first.

iamwhoiam

nino1 wrote: »

I was very annoyed to see GP's getting prioritised for the vaccines over other more deserving groups considering the way that they have squirrelled away since the beginning of COVID.
The vast majority have been doing telephone consultations and if they see a patient you can be damn sure they are questioned in fine detail about any possible symptoms and only seen (in full PPE gear) if they have no symptoms and if its absolutely necessary.
They are hardly at high risk given this behaviour and have a cheek to be demanding being prioritised over other groups.

d.

Where are you getting this vast majority ffrom ? How many GPs have you seen or heard about .? My GP has seen patients from day one , she speaks on the phone to us first and then gives us a slot , we wait outside till called .I had a UTI and she did a thorough exam and all tests needed .She saw me again the following week to check up on me .My husband saw her twice face to face too
She told me sees no one but her own family and hadnt seen her parents for over 7 months as she is afraid to bring Covid to them .
Every one I know have similar stories about Gps .I will cheer loudly when they get it and it will be super to see them get the vaccine

is_that_so

nino1 wrote: »

I was very annoyed to see GP's getting prioritised for the vaccines over other more deserving groups considering the way that they have squirrelled away since the beginning of COVID.
The vast majority have been doing telephone consultations and if they see a patient you can be damn sure they are questioned in fine detail about any possible symptoms and only seen (in full PPE gear) if they have no symptoms and if its absolutely necessary.
They are hardly at high risk given this behaviour and have a cheek to be demanding being prioritised over other groups.

Take a person with Covid symptoms that rings up the GP. The GP says don't come anywhere near the surgery we will fax through a prescription to the pharmacy. The same patient then strolls into the pharmacy coughing and spluttering waiting for their prescription to be filled.


Yet the GP staff get the vaccine before pharmacy staff!!

They should be well done the list after the over 70's IMO considering the way they have acted since the pandemic started.

GPs will be part of the first phase of mass vaccinations of the over 70s and a big part of the overall plan. The last thing you want is vaccinators catching the disease.


https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0119/1190598-coronavirus-vaccine/

ixoy

titan18 wrote: »

There's about 3500 registered GPs as far as I know, so even excluding pharmacists, 12k a day does seem low.

The GPs still have their day jobs. They're not switching exclusively to vaccinating people.

Gael23

Is there a table somewhere that shows which group should receive what vaccine?

is_that_so

Gael23 wrote: »

Is there a table somewhere that shows which group should receive what vaccine?

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/39038-provisional-vaccine-allocation-groups/

mariaalice

ixoy wrote: »

The GPs still have their day jobs. They're not switching exclusively to vaccinating people.

But all will be doing vaccination along with their other work and have to be vaccinated themselves first that is the point.

is_that_so

gally74 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/cabinet-considers-91m-plan-for-gps-and-pharmacists-to-vaccinate-1-5m-people-1.4461697

for anyone on 350 a week, 120 an hour is a real kick.....In the ...... Or a student nurse on 100,


It seems very generous, I get we need speed, but as a society, it seeMs wrong....

What's your alternative?

titan18

ixoy wrote: »

The GPs still have their day jobs. They're not switching exclusively to vaccinating people.

True, and I'd imagine supply is more the issue anyway, but I would hope if supply isn't a constraint, there are more people calling up looking to get the covid vaccine than that. Never mind that I'd imagine a lot of GPs will administer as they're seeing patients anyway. I know with my own GP, I didn't call in for the flu vaccine, but I got it when i was down there for a check up.

carq

2lazytogetup wrote: »

I'm not taking the vaccine till more vulnerable people in poorer countries get it.

Suggest other fit young people do the same when Sep comes

Let the virtue signalling begin.
Cant wait for twitter / instagram to go this way and influencers falling over themselves to refuse vaccine to show how thoughtful they are.

just get the jab you clowns when its your turn!

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Overheal wrote: »

So by your own admission the GPs are essentially forced into remote consultation. So that seems like a perfect reason to get them vaccinated, so they can get back in person with patients. I don’t see a problem with that?

My OH is high risk but we don’t have job descriptions that demand we normally be in close proximity to the ill and are happy enough to wait our turn. First responders, health care workers (yes, doctors) and IMO the supply chain for the vaccine - be a bit counter productive if your supply chain was disrupted because the workforce was out sick, then nobody else is getting the vaccine..

Pharmacies IME have all gone to transaction-drawers + glass between pharmacist and patients and they don't need to be in direct contact. They're as much at risk (less, really) than fast food workers tbph. I agree they should be the next on the list, but compared to doctors? Not a chance. To do their jobs properly they should really be in person, doing readings themselves, checking lymph nodes, etc. etc. and not just relying on the word of the patient. Doctors and nurses are also burning through PPE at an unprecedented (and incredibly expensive) rate.

My mother has been seriously ill this year, and the service we have received from her pharmacist has been second to none. Far better than we have received from her doctor who hasn't contacted her at all and has been more or less unavailable throughout.

Not saying GPS are all like this,, and of course it's in all our interests for them to receive the vaccination. But in the absence of easy face to face contact with GPS, pharmacists have been a reassuring service throughout.

is_that_so

carq wrote: »

Let the virtue signalling begin.
Cant wait for twitter / instagram to go this way and influencers falling over themselves to refuse vaccine to show how thoughtful they are.

just get the jab you clowns when its your turn!

Is this your own version of virtue signalling?

carq

is_that_so wrote: »

Is this your own version of virtue signalling?

Explain

is_that_so

carq wrote: »

Explain

Look in the mirror!

carq

Lol - great explanation. Well done.

I don't think you understand the concept of virtue signalling?

Gael23

is_that_so wrote: »

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/39038-provisional-vaccine-allocation-groups/

I mean more like who gets Pfizer. AstraZeneca abs so on?

ixoy

mariaalice wrote: »

But all will be doing vaccination along with their other work and have to be vaccinated themselves first that is the point.

Yes, that's what I just said? This specific point is addressing GP payments for vaccinating people and how many people they might cover. The vaccination of GPs is a related, but separate, point and of course needs to happen in advance.