COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 2 [Mod Warning - Post #1]

Cork2021

Probably after going over the 100k mark!!

https://twitter.com/donnellystephen/status/1351461941097754625?s=21

IRISHSPORTSGUY

JTMan wrote: »

What is the likely vaccine timeline from here for the EMA approved vaccines?

- Oxford/Astrazeneca likely approved late January 2021.
- J&J likely submission in February 2021 to the EMA with approval in February 2021 or early March 2021.

Then what?
- Will Novavax submit to the EMA in Q1 2021. Is that the expectation?
- Do we need to wait until the June/July to get the CureVac vaccine?
- I assume Sanofi-GSK will be late 2021 if ever.

Are there other EC agreed vaccines on the horizon?

I don't think the EU has bought anything from Novavax.

muddypuppy

Cork2021 wrote: »

Probably after going over the 100k mark!!

https://twitter.com/donnellystephen/status/1351461941097754625?s=21

That's ~1.89 vaccination/100 people. Keep us right near the top of EU countries.

Honestly I was hoping for a slightly higher number as that's a bit more than 4000 vaccination a day, while my understanding was that the goal we currently have is around 5700. But still good to see good progress, hopefully the numbers are a bit worse because of the weekend and we'll get something better in the next briefings.

Also it's good to see Donnelly sharing this data with the public until we have it updated in the dashboard/app.

Irish Stones

JTMan wrote: »

- Vaccination certificates that would allow travel to resume -- at least for those who receive the jab.

Wow, so a married couple might have one of them going on vacation, and the other one waiting at home?
Doesn't sound too nice to me.

Hmmzis

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

I don't think the EU has bought anything from Novavax.

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-eu-vaccines/update-1-exclusive-eu-seeks-more-moderna-covid-19-vaccines-eyes-deals-with-valneva-novavax-idUSL1N2JM1U2

About 200 million doses from Novavax if the deal gets closed.

CrabRevolution

Irish Stones wrote: »

Wow, so a married couple might have one of them going on vacation, and the other one waiting at home?
Doesn't sound too nice to me.

It's nicer than the prospect of the disease spreading through international travel.

Irish Stones

CrabRevolution wrote: »

It's nicer than the prospect of the disease spreading through international travel.

It would be nicer and fairer if a couple could travel together.

seamus

Irish Stones wrote: »

It would be nicer and fairer if a couple could travel together.

They can wait till next year. Another year taking a holiday in Ireland won't kill anybody.

"Couples won't be able to travel on foreign holidays together" is the definition of a first-world problem.

The Continental Op

Irish Stones wrote: »

It would be nicer and fairer if a couple could travel together.

You should have quick word with the virus about those nicities.

Irish Stones

seamus wrote: »

They can wait till next year. Another year taking a holiday in Ireland won't kill anybody.

"Couples won't be able to travel on foreign holidays together" is the definition of a first-world problem.

Of course local holidays will be the way to go, but this kind of tourism moves little money

is_that_so

Gael23 wrote: »

I mean more like who gets Pfizer. AstraZeneca abs so on?

Medical call, but as AstraZeneca can be stored in a fridge that will be the big one and what many of us are likely to get.

CrabRevolution

Irish Stones wrote: »

It would be nicer and fairer if a couple could travel together.

Well they can stay at home together then. The virus doesn't give a fiddler's as to what's nice or what isn't.

JimmyVik

Irish Stones wrote: »

It would be nicer and fairer if a couple could travel together.

Would you stop it.
Separately is fine

Boggerman12

The media driven once again hysteria over the use of extra vaccines given out instead of being wasted is a joke.clare Byrne once again talking pure bs and really talking down the Oxford vaccine as only being 70% effective will drive on the anti vaccine crowd.
Feck sake I’m a dairy farmer and regularly use vaccines from dead ones to live ones that u have to mix up to use.often get a bit extra out of the bottles and don’t waste any of them as there expensive enough to buy in the first place.

CrabRevolution

Boggerman12 wrote: »

The media driven once again hysteria over the use of extra vaccines given out instead of being wasted is a joke.clare Byrne once again talking pure bs and really talking down the Oxford vaccine as only being 70% effective will drive on the anti vaccine crowd.
Feck sake I’m a dairy farmer and regularly use vaccines from dead ones to live ones that u have to mix up to use.often get a bit extra out of the bottles and don’t waste any of them as there expensive enough to buy in the first place.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the situation in the Coombe, the only thing all this media hysteria has done is ensured that in future, spare vaccines will be dumped rather than risk giving them to the "wrong" person.

Godot.

Hmmzis wrote: »

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-eu-vaccines/update-1-exclusive-eu-seeks-more-moderna-covid-19-vaccines-eyes-deals-with-valneva-novavax-idUSL1N2JM1U2

About 200 million doses from Novavax if the deal gets closed.

Buying it now rather than 6 months ago is the 2nd major EU cock up after Sanofi.

Irish Stones

CrabRevolution wrote: »

Well they can stay at home together then. The virus doesn't give a fiddler's as to what's nice or what isn't.

It's not matter of virus.
The topic was having the travel industry start again after the vaccine. If we need to have people move and spend money, but only half of them can do that, well, it's possible that part of that half won't move at all.

ixoy

Godot. wrote: »

Buying it now rather than 6 months ago is the 2nd major EU cock up after Sanofi.

What was the Sanofi cock up?

And how is the Moderna one a cock up given the results weren't known six months ago? They spread their bets.

CrabRevolution

Irish Stones wrote: »

It's not matter of virus.
The topic was having the travel industry start again after the vaccine. If we need to have people move and spend money, but only half of them can do that, well, it's possible that part of that half won't move at all.

That has to be one of the more bizarre statements in a thread about the virus. It's a pretty popular consensus that we're willing to let international travel take a hit in order to spare us from the virus.

In any case you didn't originally say anything about the travel industry until you were called out on how something being "nice" is an irrelevance when it comes to the virus.

Multipass

CrabRevolution wrote: »

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the situation in the Coombe, the only thing all this media hysteria has done is ensured that in future, spare vaccines will be dumped rather than risk giving them to the "wrong" person.

Or maybe it will spur on those in charge to make adequate back up lists, instead of conveniently placed relatives.

is_that_so

CrabRevolution wrote: »

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the situation in the Coombe, the only thing all this media hysteria has done is ensured that in future, spare vaccines will be dumped rather than risk giving them to the "wrong" person.

The dump or use argument is down to current levels of supplies. Really not convinced of this at all with systems in place but we certainly could see a higher level of hesitancy or reluctance creeping in, which is a much bigger problem.

is_that_so

Multipass wrote: »

Or maybe it will spur on those in charge to make adequate back up lists, instead of conveniently placed relatives.

Once we get past hospital Group 2 vaccinations that ceases to be much of a problem.

is_that_so

We are now up to 94,000 vaccinations by Sunday last.

https://twitter.com/DonnellyStephen/status/1351461942595104768

lbj666

CrabRevolution wrote: »

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the situation in the Coombe, the only thing all this media hysteria has done is ensured that in future, spare vaccines will be dumped rather than risk giving them to the "wrong" person.

In fairness they were given clear guidance on the 12th January, the coombe happened on the 8th. They are supposed to keep a reserve list of 100 ish people of priority who can come in short notice. So binnings will be kept to a minimum.


Does anyone know can similar extra dose be gained from AZ-Oxford?

Micky 32

Irish Stones wrote: »

It would be nicer and fairer if a couple could travel together.

Well take the jab then. Problem solved.

Van.Bosch

Micky 32 wrote: »

Well take the jab then. Problem solved.

I think the issue is if one gets it early due to being a HCW for example and the partner doesn’t get it til September or can’t get it at all

josip

is_that_so wrote: »

Once we get past hospital Group 2 vaccinations that ceases to be much of a problem.

Nearly there now.
71,000 out of 95,000 in Group 2 (source SBP) done by Sunday night according to the minister.

Will they hold off doing all Group 3 until AZ is approved and available via GPs in a couple of weeks time?
Or will they bring some Group 3 into hospitals and MVCs to get Pfizer/BioNTech?

Micky 32

Van.Bosch wrote: »

I think the issue is if one gets it early due to being a HCW for example and the partner doesn’t get it til September or can’t get it at all

Ah right. I got the impression from said poster if one didn’t want to take the vaccine and the other half did.

is_that_so

josip wrote: »

Nearly there now.
71,000 out of 95,000 in Group 2 (source SBP) done by Sunday night according to the minister.

Will they hold off doing all Group 3 until AZ is approved and available via GPs in a couple of weeks time?
Or will they bring some Group 3 into hospitals and MVCs to get Pfizer/BioNTech?

They have to do GPs and then pharmacists before Group 3 anyway. With that network of 75,000 plus some MVCs and hospitals there's no reason we can't go to 100K and above a week pretty quickly. AZ is probably preferred for mass vaccinations on account of the storage requirements so yeah that's likely to be GP/pharmacies shot.

titan18

josip wrote: »

Nearly there now.
71,000 out of 95,000 in Group 2 (source SBP) done by Sunday night according to the minister.

Will they hold off doing all Group 3 until AZ is approved and available via GPs in a couple of weeks time?
Or will they bring some Group 3 into hospitals and MVCs to get Pfizer/BioNTech?

Still have dose 2 to go so I'd imagine group 3 won't be getting done until AZ is approved anyway cos of that. I'd imagine we have people getting dose 2 from late this week on which will eat up the Pfizer supplies we're getting