COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 2 [Mod Warning - Post #1]

TheChizler

afatbollix wrote: »

After 3 weeks of your Phizer jab you are 90% immune. The 2nd jab gives you 94% immunity.

Efficacy numbers have no bearing on individuals, it's the percentage reduction in cases across a population compared to an unvaccinated control group.

brickster69

jackboy wrote: »

Yeah but they have now screwed us. We gave the sixth dose under the impression we could do the same in the future to get these people the second dose. We will now have to take the first dose off people to give everyone the second dose. It means a that a significant amount of people will be delayed getting the first dose.

Not good. The problem now is that it requires a special syringe to extract the full doses.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/23/us/us-coronavirus-saturday/index.html

Gael23

EU considering legal action against AstraZeneca for breach of contract over the 60% supply reduction

is_that_so

brickster69 wrote: »

Not good. The problem now is that it requires a special syringe to extract the full doses.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/23/us/us-coronavirus-saturday/index.html

Yep, our guys have been talking about it for a good few weeks, from 6 January actually.

brickster69

is_that_so wrote: »

Yep, our guys have been talking about it for a good few weeks, from 6 January actually.

Yeah i thought it was common knowledge about that. There was a bit of anger about it in Austria where they were phoning up TV stars and politicians saying we have some extra doses if you want to take it.

stephenjmcd

Gael23 wrote: »

EU considering legal action against AstraZeneca for breach of contract over the 60% supply reduction

No what they've said is they'll have discussions with them like they did with Pfizer to attempt to resolve the situation.

And that contracts are in place for all companies and if required they'll pursue the legal avenues open to them if any company breaches its contract. Its not the first stop, first is discussion. We also don't know if AZ are breaching contract just yet, there might be a stipulation of x doses by x date in Q1 or Q2 or it could just be the total order with no committed dates, in that case they wouldn't be in breach.

Let's wait and see what happens this week

funnydoggy

A tiny setback and people are livid and calling this whole situation a disaster.

People are counting their chickens before they hatch. The fact that we have not one, but multiple extremely efficacious vaccines either approved or soon to be approved is amazing in itself. We are getting there every day with effective treatments. Our cases are dropping by the day and we are heading into good weather which will more than likely mean much lower community transmission. All this talk of variants being more lethal, evading vaccines etc. isn't even confirmed.

Breathe folks, we're close to the end of this nightmare.

Cork2021

funnydoggy wrote: »

A tiny setback and people are livid and calling this whole situation a disaster.

People are counting their chickens before they hatch. The fact that we have not one, but multiple extremely efficacious vaccines either approved or soon to be approved is amazing in itself. We are getting there every day with effective treatments. Our cases are dropping by the day and we are heading into good weather which will more than likely mean much lower community transmission. All this talk of variants being more lethal, evading vaccines etc. isn't even confirmed.

Breathe folks, we're close to the end of this nightmare.

Spot on!!
Some people just live for the bad! We can see the end to this and if means 2/4 weeks extra of restrictions so be it!
We’ll all be locked in September!!! BEER ON!!!

wheresthebeef

brickster69 wrote: »

Yeah i thought it was common knowledge about that. There was a bit of anger about it in Austria where they were phoning up TV stars and politicians saying we have some extra doses if you want to take it.

You can actually sometimes get a 7th. Hopefully Pfizer don’t cop on to that trick.

brickster69

wheresthebeef wrote: »

You can actually sometimes get a 7th. Hopefully Pfizer don’t cop on to that trick.

Would not surprise me, might not of been the best idea to give exclusivity to an American company to make it.

That's the reason Oxford has no US makers of the vaccine. In a few months https://www.vmicuk.com/vmic-facility should be up and running and everything will mostly be done in house.

JTMan

Szero wrote: »

A surge in sun holiday bookings is occurring by the over 50's ... https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/19/holiday-bookings-surge-as-covid-vaccinations-increase-travel-hopes?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

More evidence that once people are vaccinated they then go planning summer holidays. In the UK there is a surge in holiday bookings by the over 50's, who have been vaccinated. FT reports here (paywall) that bookings were up 57 per cent last week compared with the week before. National Express, said that there is “grey pound confidence around vaccines”. Holidaymakers were booking further ahead than in previous years.

Melanchthon

funnydoggy wrote: »

A tiny setback and people are livid and calling this whole situation a disaster.

People are counting their chickens before they hatch. The fact that we have not one, but multiple extremely efficacious vaccines either approved or soon to be approved is amazing in itself. We are getting there every day with effective treatments. Our cases are dropping by the day and we are heading into good weather which will more than likely mean much lower community transmission. All this talk of variants being more lethal, evading vaccines etc. isn't even confirmed.

Breathe folks, we're close to the end of this nightmare.

It's fine for the people in a big house with their secure job, a nice garden with their young family which means they have little social life anyway to take the view, of ah look on the bright side.

Not so fine to be stuck in a small flat and be barred from working, every week is important.

In terms of the wealthy 1st world that's highly effected by the virus, is there anywhere but the European countries that are this slow with vaccination but also with this tight restrictions.

The Asian countries and Oz, New Zealand etc have a levels of restrictions I would kill to be under.
Gulf states are bombing along with the vaccine.

UK, Israel and USA are going much faster with vaccination than Europe too.

Where else is their that's First world that's in the EU's situation, if the situation isn't worth being annoyed about it should be easy to name some countries?

Micky 32

Melanchthon wrote: »

The Asian countries and Oz, New Zealand etc have a levels of restrictions I would kill to be under.
Gulf states are bombing along with the vaccine.

I see NZ have discovered 1 case of community transmission in 2 months. The health minister is already talking about whether it’s too soon or not to implement full or partial lockdown. Now this begs the question. If NZ were fully vaccinated will their government still implement lockdowns if they discover a few cases post vaccinations or will they accept a few cases after the population is vaccinated . I wonder.....

JTMan

The latest on Israel in the WSJ here (paywall).

- Three of Israel’s four health maintenance organizations said they would begin vaccinating 16- to 18-year-olds on Saturday.
- Israel will offer what officials are calling a Green Passport to those who have been vaccinated that will allow them to avoid quarantine after flying and eventually go to public places like cinemas, stadiums and restaurants.
- Almost 30% of its population vaccinated.

Interesting to see 16 and 17 year olds being vaccinated. The HSE plan talks about 18-54 year olds, so not clear if 16 and 17 year olds will be vaccinated here? I know vaccinations for those under 16 will not occur for some time.

Good idea on the Green Passport to allow flying. The EC seem to be planning something similar.

Micky 32

JTMan wrote: »

Good idea on the Green Passport to allow flying. The EC seem to be planning something similar.

It’s going to be inevitable that proof of vaccination will be required travelling on planes. Countries like ourselves have just brought in mandatory testing before entry as it is. Countries like the USA will certainly want proof if they ever open their borders again.

Cork2021

Like Stephen has been saying dialogue first but contracts and obligations need to be looked at

https://twitter.com/muirtheimhne/status/1353326289663492096?s=21

brickster69

The German government has bought 200,000 doses of Regeneron for €400 million ($487 million) and starts next week.

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-germany-to-use-new-antibody-based-drug/a-56328493

Melanchthon

JTMan wrote: »

Good idea on the Green Passport to allow flying. The EC seem to be planning something similar.

As I said before talking up the Vaccine Travel Certs is a bad idea for the EU, that's something you can initiate when you have 50% of the population vaccinated like Israel will have soon, the EU doing it when it's going to only be medical associated workers and the over 65s for next few months is going to cause big resentment.

stephenjmcd

Cork2021 wrote: »

Like Stephen has been saying dialogue first but contracts and obligations need to be looked at

https://twitter.com/muirtheimhne/status/1353326289663492096?s=21

Absolutely, all depends on whats in the actual contracts, do they have stipulations with manufacturers saying you must provide x by this date in Q1& Q2 etc.

First is dialogue this week and then they take it from there.

Irish Stones

PCeeeee wrote: »

Really? What makes you think that?

Well, we have just had a couple of experiences with two manufacturer about whom nobody had doubt over their capacities.

cameramonkey

https://twitter.com/wwwojtekk/status/1353135350311481352/photo/1

This is a good sign. Cases in Israel nose diving.

Gael23

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Absolutely, all depends on whats in the actual contracts, do they have stipulations with manufacturers saying you must provide x by this date in Q1& Q2 etc

Is that information in the public domain?

IRISHSPORTSGUY

Cork2021 wrote: »

Like Stephen has been saying dialogue first but contracts and obligations need to be looked at

https://twitter.com/muirtheimhne/status/1353326289663492096?s=21

What can they really do about AstraZeneca? It's a shame because that's the one which will do most of the heavy lifting along with J&J. Half the world is getting it and they are selling it at literally cost price anyway.

At least there is some buyer's power with Pfizer.

brickster69

Gael23 wrote: »

Is that information in the public domain?

Just the Cure Vac one

https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/curevac_-_redacted_advance_purchase_agreement_0.pdf

funnydoggy

Melanchthon wrote: »

It's fine for the people in a big house with their secure job, a nice garden with their young family which means they have little social life anyway to take the view, of ah look on the bright side.

Not going to approach the rest of your post, but you couldn't be more wrong about me at least.

Cork2021

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

What can they really do about AstraZeneca? It's a shame because that's the one which will do most of the heavy lifting along with J&J. Half the world is getting it and they are selling it at literally cost price anyway.

At least there is some buyer's power with Pfizer.

We’ll see over the next few days I’d assume. They will get something from our, hopefully a larger delivery.
I don’t know was it here or somewhere else I saw that the serum institute of India has been given approval to export the AstraZeneca vaccine...
could be me dreaming though.

CrabRevolution

Will the fact that Pfizer and AZ are both lowering their delivery numbers do anything to dampen the "Not good enough. Stephen Donnelly needs to get on the phone to the Pfizer/AZ CEO and offer a blank cheque for 10 million doses to be delivered next Monday. F**k the EU, bureaucracy, Germany blah blah" demands?

Gael23

brickster69 wrote: »

Just the Cure Vac one

https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/curevac_-_redacted_advance_purchase_agreement_0.pdf

It states clearly there that delivery dates are based in best estimates and subject to change. I’m assuming that all contracts are broadly similar which means A have no case to answer

conor_mc

JTMan wrote: »

The latest on Israel in the WSJ

Interesting to see 16 and 17 year olds being vaccinated. The HSE plan talks about 18-54 year olds, so not clear if 16 and 17 year olds will be vaccinated here? I know vaccinations for those under 16 will not occur for some time.

Next year’s military conscripts, different priorities in Israel.

CIARAN_BOYLE

JTMan wrote: »

Interesting to see 16 and 17 year olds being vaccinated. The HSE plan talks about 18-54 year olds, so not clear if 16 and 17 year olds will be vaccinated here? I know vaccinations for those under 16 will not occur for some time.

The trials didn't include anyone under 18. That's fairly standard with new medicines. I believe Pfizer have started new trials including under 18s.