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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 2 [Mod Warning - Post #1]

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    #602
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,523 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    wolfyboy555 wrote: »
    Anyone know how quick turnaround times are for test? If tested tomorrow they say 24 hours for positive and 48 hours for negative but have people gotten them quicker? Don't want to be isolating Xmas day when there is no point.

    Negatives are quicker than positives.


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    #603
    lbj666
    Registered Users Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭lbj666


    Gael23 wrote: »
    How many people are in the at risk groups? Just wondering how this would look in terms of opening up. They mention 70% need it first

    https://twitter.com/RachelLavin/status/1338484785367408640?s=20

    This infograph best shows it


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    #604
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    lbj666 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/RachelLavin/status/1338484785367408640?s=20

    This infograph best shows it

    Can they not just stick to the 15 groups instead of 14.

    https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/39038-provisional-vaccine-allocation-groups/


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    #605
    hmmm
    Registered Users Posts: 11,205 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    lbj666 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/RachelLavin/status/1338484785367408640?s=20

    This infograph best shows it
    What are "other healthcare workers"? Does an accountant in the HSE get a vaccine before other groups?


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    #606
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,243 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    hmmm wrote: »
    What are "other healthcare workers"? Does an accountant in the HSE get a vaccine before other groups?

    Yeah non paitent facing roles within the HSE is other healthcare workers


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    #607
    Gael23
    Registered Users Posts: 12,100 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    lbj666 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/RachelLavin/status/1338484785367408640?s=20

    This infograph best shows it

    Donnelly is saying frontline and nursing homes will be done by end of Jan so that’s 100k a month approx. Am I right there?


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    #608
    nommm
    Registered Users Posts: 700 ✭✭✭nommm


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Donnelly is saying frontline and nursing homes will be done by end of Jan so that’s 100k a month approx. Am I right there?

    Yes, adds up aswell with reports we are getting 41k a week


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    #609
    Gael23
    Registered Users Posts: 12,100 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    They must have high hopes for other vaccines because 100k a month won’t cut it


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    #610
    ACitizenErased
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    Gael23 wrote: »
    They must have high hopes for other vaccines because 100k a month won’t cut it
    40k a week from Pfizer = at least 160k a month, not sure where you're getting 100k from


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    #611
    Gael23
    Registered Users Posts: 12,100 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    40k a week from Pfizer = at least 160k a month, not sure where you're getting 100k from

    100k people will be covered


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    #612
    ACitizenErased
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    Gael23 wrote: »
    100k people will be covered
    80k from Pfizer alone + moderna first week in january, oxford middle of january and J+J end of january


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    #613
    Gael23
    Registered Users Posts: 12,100 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    80k from Pfizer alone + moderna first week in january, oxford middle of january and J+J end of january

    By the sounds of it I was thinking Oxford would be much longer given their challenges.


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    #614
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users Posts: 11,656 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Gael23 wrote: »
    By the sounds of it I was thinking Oxford would be much longer given their challenges.
    What challenges? They sent full documentation to the MHRA in UK for approval today


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    #615
    Gael23
    Registered Users Posts: 12,100 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    What challenges? They sent full documentation to the MHRA in UK for approval today

    The whole full dose/half dose thing.

    Have they sent anything to the EMA more importantly for us?


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    #616
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users Posts: 11,656 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Gael23 wrote: »
    The whole full dose/half dose thing.

    Have they sent anything to the EMA more importantly for us?
    The EMA is a rolling review, data is reviewed day by day


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    #617
    ger664
    Registered Users Posts: 2,400 ✭✭✭ger664


    wolfyboy555 wrote: »
    Anyone know how quick turnaround times are for test? If tested tomorrow they say 24 hours for positive and 48 hours for negative but have people gotten them quicker? Don't want to be isolating Xmas day when there is no point.

    In the same boat but you still have to restrict your movements if your first test is negative


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    #618
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    The EMA is a rolling review, data is reviewed day by day

    So they say and, yet, they are slower to come a decision than the US or UK


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    #619
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users Posts: 11,656 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    So they say and, yet, they are slower to come a decision than the US or UK
    Because the UK and US are emergency approvals, the EMA approval is full approval


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    #620
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Because the UK and US are emergency approvals, the EMA approval is full approval

    Yes. And what difference does that actually make? None as far as I can see. It just means the EU delay for a few weeks, approve the vaccine anyway, and thousands of people die when they didn't need to.


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    #621
    Gael23
    Registered Users Posts: 12,100 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Because the UK and US are emergency approvals, the EMA approval is full approval
    What is the meaning of emergency approval?


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    #622
    stephenjmcd
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    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Yes. And what difference does that actually make? None as far as I can see. It just means the EU delay for a few weeks, approve the vaccine anyway, and thousands of people die when they didn't need to.

    Its a more in depth review. With MHRA approval each batch delivered needs to be approved, with EMA approval that isn't the case. Its a more widespread approval for want of a better word


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    #623
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    I’m guessing the people who will be administering these doses will have to have multiple brands onsite.


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    #624
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Its a more in depth review. With MHRA approval each batch delivered needs to be approved, with EMA approval that isn't the case. Its a more widespread approval for want of a better word

    Yes but it seems to make no practical difference. The US and UK are vaccinating at a rapid pace.


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    #625
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,243 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Yes but it seems to make no practical difference. The US and UK are vaccinating at a rapid pace.

    Per capita they aren't really at the moment. No faster than we will be.


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    #626
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Per capita they aren't really at the moment. No faster than we will be.

    No faster but no slower either. And we are starting weeks later, which across the EU will cost thousands of lives.


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    #627
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,243 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Gael23 wrote: »
    The whole full dose/half dose thing.

    Have they sent anything to the EMA more importantly for us?

    Rolling review, they've submitted the phase 3 data packet to MHRA today so would expect EMA to also get it shortly


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    #628
    Doc07
    Registered Users Posts: 1,009 ✭✭✭Doc07


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    So they say and, yet, they are slower to come a decision than the US or UK

    It’s not exactly like for like when comparing speed.
    UK and USA gave emergency use approval to allow some batches of unlicensed product be used due to the public health emergency (ie Covid out of cases sky high in the country) . The vaccine doesn’t have an official licence in either country yet.

    The EMA have approved the vaccine and recommended it to the EC who granted an actual licence (with conditions) that allows it to be marketed in all 27 member states. EMA also got the data they needed after the FDA. EMA also reviewed more data than UK.


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    #629
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users Posts: 11,656 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Spotted this on Reddit earlier - people in nursing homes have been issued vaccination dates.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/kiyx3e/just_got_date_for_covid19_vaccination/


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    #630
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users Posts: 5,801 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Yes. And what difference does that actually make? None as far as I can see. It just means the EU delay for a few weeks, approve the vaccine anyway, and thousands of people die when they didn't need to.

    There's absolutely nothing stopping countries approving any vaccinating on their own timetable for emergency use within the EU regulations.

    Hungary approved the Russian Sputnik as an EU member, any EU country can do that.
    From the outset, the UK approving Pfizer and Hungary approving Sputnik are identical, you assume both countries have checked all safety and efficiency aspects. But, be honest, you would only trust 1 of the 2. So instead of that, maybe we have a European agency to to to the analysis? So it's not down to public trust of a foreign developed vaccine approved by a foreign government!


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    #631
    braychelsea
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    Think the EU/EMA will be in for a hammering once UK approves Astrazeneca next week and they start to vaccinate large amounts of their population (Doesn't look like EMA will approve it for at least a month). Understand there needs to be due process but every week delay by EMA is an extra 30,000 lives lost to COVID and a longer period of restrictions.


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