COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 2 [Mod Warning - Post #1]

Melanchthon

Posted this in the Astra Zeneca thread as well but it's relevant here as legitimate criticism of the EU's vaccine response has been dismissed out of hand.

From the Astra Zeneca CEO, a man that knows better than random users what his company has signed when

But the UK contract was signed three months before the European vaccine deal. So with the UK we have had an extra three months to fix all the glitches we experienced.

https://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2021/01/26/news/interview_pascal_soriot_ceo_astrazeneca_coronavirus_covid_vaccines-284349628/

IrishStuff09

Any word on regular vaccine updates on the Hub? SD said they'd be daily from the 25th, but the most recent update is from Sunday and even that was only added to it this morning

BringBackMick

Have we considered procuring the Chinese and Russian vaccine to try and speed things up?

Water John

Russia vaccine co in talks with EMA, not submitted yet.

MerlinSouthDub

Melanchthon wrote: »

Posted this in the Astra Zeneca thread as well but it's relevant here as legitimate criticism of the EU's vaccine response has been dismissed out of hand.

From the Astra Zeneca CEO, a man that knows better than random users what his company has signed when



https://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2021/01/26/news/interview_pascal_soriot_ceo_astrazeneca_coronavirus_covid_vaccines-284349628/

The odd thing about that interview is that he lies several times about a 3 month delay between the UK signing a contract and the EU signing a contract. The UK contract was signed in July, and the EU one in August. If he lies about that basic detail, I'm not sure why I would believe anything else he says in the interview.

Melanchthon

Water John wrote: »

Russia vaccine co in talks with EMA, not submitted yet.

Hungary have placed an order and given emergency approval but that's outside the EMA process

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/1/22/hungary-buys-russias-sputnik-v-covid-vaccine-first-in-eu

Malcomex

BringBackMick wrote: »

Have we considered procuring the Chinese and Russian vaccine to try and speed things up?

I'm going to pass on the Chinese Vaccine

I've no problem with anyone that wants it

CrabRevolution

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

The odd thing about that interview is that he lies several times about a 3 month delay between the UK signing a contract and the EU signing a contract. The UK contract was signed in July, and the EU one in August. If he lies about that basic detail, I'm not sure why I would believe anything else he says in the interview.

We have posters here saying that their interpretation of the EU/AZ contract is correct, despite having never seen it, while the EU's interpretation of the contract the EU themselves created and agreed to is wrong. No amount of logic can get through to them.

Melanchthon

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

The odd thing about that interview is that he lies several times about a 3 month delay between the UK signing a contract and the EU signing a contract. The UK contract was signed in July, and the EU one in August. If he lies about that basic detail, I'm not sure why I would believe anything else he says in the interview.

Asked this in the other thread too, can I get a link too what the UK signed in July? Because I have the feeling people are confusing the UK signing an agreement about additional doses with the initial agreement.

Because we have this from May
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/funding-and-manufacturing-boost-for-uk-vaccine-programme

And it's a bold claim to see he is flat out lying something he will be called on.

Edit: could also be that the UK agreed and payed whereas EU didnt

SEPT 23 1989

Water John wrote: »

Russia vaccine co in talks with EMA, not submitted yet.

The Sputnik V?

Melanchthon

CrabRevolution wrote: »

We have posters here saying that their interpretation of the EU/AZ contract is correct, despite having never seen it, while the EU's interpretation of the contract the EU themselves created and agreed to is wrong. No amount of logic can get through to them.

So your saying the CEO is telling an outright lie in a major interview or doesn't know what his company signed.

Yet boards posters who can't even provide links to highlight the events they are talking about and have never seen the contracts (as they are confidential) are lying.

Yeah I am failing to see the logic too but it's not the way your thinking.

Edit: this being the same thread where someone adding together the northern Ireland vaccinations and the Republics one together and then saying that the Irish vaccine program is going great gets a load of thanks, colour me sceptical.

Amirani

jackboy wrote: »

Take no notice of varadker. He is just being spiteful because the public are behind the quarantine. He did similar to NPHET before Christmas. He is just making that stuff up to intentionally punish people.

I remember some on here before Christmas saying that we should be hearing more from the politicians and less from NPHET (as per UK).

Well it's ****ing abysmal, they're just spouting all sorts of ill informed rubbish.

MerlinSouthDub

Melanchthon wrote: »

Asked this in the other thread too, can I get a link too what the UK signed in July? Because I have the feeling people are confusing the UK signing an agreement about additional doses with the initial agreement.

Because we have this from May
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/funding-and-manufacturing-boost-for-uk-vaccine-programme

And it's a bold claim to see he is flat out lying something he will be called on.

Edit: could also be that the UK agreed and payed whereas EU didnt

My apologies, you are correct. The UK deal looks to have been signed in May.

RobertKK

BringBackMick wrote: »

Have we considered procuring the Chinese and Russian vaccine to try and speed things up?

https://twitter.com/HeriRiosColin/status/1354147589915090944?s=20

WoollyRedHat

That article Melanchthon posted is excellent, Soriot is a great communicator, essential reading.

CrabRevolution

Melanchthon wrote: »

So your saying the CEO is telling an outright lie in a major interview or doesn't know what his company signed.

Yet boards posters who can't even provide links to highlight the events they are talking about and have never seen the contracts (as they are confidential) are lying.

Yeah I am failing to see the logic too but it's not the way your thinking.

Edit: this being the same thread where someone adding together the northern Ireland vaccinations and the Republics one together and then saying that the Irish vaccine program is going great gets a load of thanks, colour me sceptical.

But why is it that when the AZ CEO says something you place total trust in it, while when the EU says the opposite they're just lying?

You accuse others of being blindly pro-EU, but with no evidence you take the side of the AZ CEO over that of Ursula Van Der Leyen based on nothing more than "well he'd hardly lie".

Melanchthon

CrabRevolution wrote: »

But why is it that when the AZ CEO says something you place total trust in it, while when the EU says the opposite they're just lying?

You accuse others of being blindly pro-EU, but with no evidence you take the side of the AZ CEO over that of Ursula Van Der Leyen based on nothing more than "well he'd hardly lie".

Well I could well be wrong, I have never ran a business etc and terrible at contract stuff, but nobody is actually giving links to what has been signed and when, and there is that UK agreement, now maybe the agreement wasn't a official signing over of money?
I'd just like some links to back up the side that backs up the gap between signings is only being a month.

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

That article Melanchthon posted is excellent, Soriot is a great communicator, essential reading.

Thank Brickster69 on the other thread.

ACitizenErased

AZ claiming they haven't committed to a specific number but to merely try their best at reaching that number..
https://twitter.com/DarrenEuronews/status/1354176791485804546?s=20

Melanchthon

ACitizenErased wrote: »

AZ claiming they haven't committed to a specific number but to merely try their best at reaching that number..
https://twitter.com/DarrenEuronews/status/1354176791485804546?s=20

Even if they don't publish it publicly it should be released to national governments/parliament's especially if Astra Zeneca consent.

KrustyUCC

Jeez that doesn't sound like a contract at all

I'd be shocked if the EU left it that wishy washy

lawred2

RTE are a desperately miserable shower

KrustyUCC

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Jeez that doesn't sound like a contract at all

I'd be shocked if the EU left it that wishy washy

"Best Endeavours" is a very common part of commercial contracts especially for a new product.

Cork2021

lawred2 wrote: »

RTE are a desperately miserable shower

Expand?

lawred2

Cork2021 wrote: »

Expand?

Really don't need to. It's self evident.

Ooops think I'm in the wrong thread...

Melanchthon

CrabRevolution wrote: »

But why is it that when the AZ CEO says something you place total trust in it, while when the EU says the opposite they're just lying?

You accuse others of being blindly pro-EU, but with no evidence you take the side of the AZ CEO over that of Ursula Van Der Leyen based on nothing more than "well he'd hardly lie".

Oh actually just noted something in the interview. Maybe I should be more skeptical of this interview after all.

Lots of very smart people are working for regulators, we must have approval now in 10 or 12 countries, including the U.K., of course, which is a very strong, very tough regulator.

The UK is still running on emergency use approval isn't it? that does seem like a disingenuous statement.

Rezident

marno21 wrote: »

In other news on Planet Real World, the Israelis believe that so far in the vaccinated cohort vs the rest of the Israeli population, the vaccine is exceeding, slightly, the 95% effectiveness claimed from trials.

https://twitter.com/natesilver538/status/1353815228451086338?s=21

Bear in mind also that this is in older people more so, which is even better news.

Nice to have some good news to distract us from the slow moving car crash that the AstraZeneca vaccine seems to have evolved into.

Good news indeed. Maybe if RTE and the government could take a break from their ill-informed bashing of the Israeli government, they could learn a thing or two about getting things done.

Charles Babbage

ACitizenErased wrote: »

AZ claiming they haven't committed to a specific number but to merely try their best at reaching that number..
https://twitter.com/DarrenEuronews/status/1354176791485804546?s=20

They are not trying their best, they are favouring the UK.

Yevon

Yevon wrote: »

Best efforts would not include diverting stock to the UK. Best efforts in this context would be manufacturing best efforts surely.

Yep, if they have diverted supply there may be a big issue.

If what they are saying about the yield from the EU manufacturing chain being about one third of what was planned is true, then it might just be a case of tough luck.

Potential solution could be to make up some of the shortfall from manufacturing elsewhere, but I think the EMA approval also requires the manufacturing sites to be checked so could take time for example to approve production from India and it's unlikely any country is going to be keen to reduce their own supply.

Wolf359f

Melanchthon wrote: »

Oh actually just noted something in the interview. Maybe I should be more skeptical of this interview after all.

Lots of very smart people are working for regulators, we must have approval now in 10 or 12 countries, including the U.K., of course, which is a very strong, very tough regulator.

Melanchthon wrote: »

The UK is still running on emergency use approval isn't it? that does seem like a disingenuous statement.

UK & Argentina approved it for emergency use.
It's also approved in India, Mexico, Brazil, Hungary & Pakistan.
So approved in 7 countries, 2 of which were under emergency use.
I'm surprised the CEO doesn't know what counties it's approved in.

Tyrone212

Could someone give me a brief rundown of the last 24 hours regarding the bickering about vaccines. Seeing a ton of vitriol online from British about the EU.