COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 2 [Mod Warning - Post #1]

is_that_so

Cork2021 wrote: »

Some good news!!
https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1355942468001411072?s=21

That's a good outcome for all, considering where things were. End result - more vaccines!

Miccoli

Cork2021 wrote: »

So that’s 440000 doses coming our way this quarter

Not too bad, is that only 60,000 down from what we were originally schedule to get ?

frozen3

Miccoli wrote: »

Not too bad, is that only 60,000 down from what we were originally schedule to get ?

360,000down? Thought we were to get 800,000 doses?

Responder XY

frozen3 wrote: »

360,000down? Thought we were to get 800,000 doses?

thought it was 600k myself - but guessing so many numbers have been reported we could all be right.

Most important thing here is to move on. The number we have is the number we have.

ACitizenErased

Thats a big victory for the EU and ultimately us. Great news.

AdamD

Where does the 9m more doses come from? This whole saga has been a bit bizarre

Difficult to not question Astrazenica now when in the space of a week they've found 9m more doses they previously weren't going to deliver

Deathofcool

That's a good result. Have the government given any indication on how they will use AZ? With the EMA allowing up to 12 weeks or so for the second dose will we adopt a strategy of getting as many as possible the first dose and following up with our Q2 supply

bilston

AdamD wrote: »

Where does the 9m more doses come from? This whole saga has been a bit bizarre

Difficult to not question Astrazenica now when in the space of a week they've found 9m more doses they previously weren't going to deliver

Maybe another country gave up some of their allocation. Maybe they found a way to speed up production.

Why doubt AZ? It seems to have been lost in all of this that the vaccine is being sold at cost price. They seem to me to be a force for good.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Responder XY wrote: »

Given how good Pfizer/Modera seems to be (both in effectiveness and against variants), why aren't governments (maybe the EU) engaging in some type of CPO scheme where facilities are compulsory acquired and handed over to the vaccine producers in order to ramp up production of vaccine does and whatever else is need to get them distributed and in arms?

Seems to be a no brainer to me, but we seem happy to let these companies work ahead with the few facilities they already own. Any good practical or technical reasons? I assume not as Sanofi facility could be used when they realised their own vaccine wasn't much good. There must be other facilities out there that could be re-purposed fairly quickly?

Mrna is a new technology for vaccines and its fairly specialised. Once you have an MRNA factory it's easy enough (comparatively) to convert from one mrna product to another.

Sanofi are building a factory for an Mrna vaccine so it's relatively easy for them to say let's make BioNtech instead. Same with Curevac who have a deal that if their own vaccine doesn't pay off they will make BioNtech vaccine.

These are MRNA vaccine factories who started building in the last year. They aren't existing factories being repurposed. These people started building their factories in June or July last year when they expected to have a product of their own to make.

100% of the world's completed MRNA vaccine factories are making BioNtech or Moderna vaccines at the moment.

E mac

To quote my mother “there’ll be documentaries on television about the goings on behind all this yet..”

ACitizenErased

RTE confirming we’re getting 400k out of expected 600k

is_that_so

Deathofcool wrote: »

That's a good result. Have the government given any indication on how they will use AZ? With the EMA allowing up to 12 weeks or so for the second dose will we adopt a strategy of getting as many as possible the first dose and following up with our Q2 supply

Well, the news has just broken, so it's unknown. NIAC will probably decide.

Miccoli

So if we are due 400k doses of Oxford in Q1 does anyone know if that will be scaled up in Q2 onwards ?

Van.Bosch

We really need a one pager from the GSE with how many people are in each group and what % who want a vaccine has got one.

If we are starting the over 85’s in a week or so would be good to get an updated estimate for the next groups based on updated vaccine deliveries

Galwayguy35

Martin was talking to the BBC and he wouldn't answer when asked if Ireland would accept vaccines form the UK if they offered them when their own population is done.

Then he started bladdering on about how important it is to give people in developing countries the jab, thats grand but he better not be talking about sending them our share until everyone in this country is done.

Deeper Blue

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Martin was talking to the BBC and he wouldn't answer when asked if Ireland would accept vaccines form the UK if they offered them when their own population is done.

Then he started bladdering on about how important it is to give people in developing countries the jab, thats grand but he better not be talking about sending them our share until everyone in this country is done.

I'm by no means a MM hater but I do cringe at his interviews sometimes, he comes across like a school principal being interviewed at the young scientist.

I'm in complete agreement with the latter half of your post by the way. We need to sort ourselves out first, I couldn't care less about other countries for now.

St.Spodo

444,000 of what was supposed to be 600,000 and looked like it would be 300,000. Doses coming a week earlier as well. Not bad at all.

KrustyUCC

Much better alright thankfully

Still a big hole in the plan though

156,000 doses or 78,000 people

PhoenixParker

Johnson and Johnson are ready to submit now, they've been doing a rolling review and it's a one dose vaccine. The EU have 200million doses on order.

That'll be another game changer.

Kivaro

bilston wrote: »

Maybe another country gave up some of their allocation. Maybe they found a way to speed up production.

Why doubt AZ? ....

Really; are there countries with a surplus already?
I cannot imagine any country giving up 9 millions doses currently.
Something else is going on here, and we will probably find out eventually on a Panorama program next year.

opinionated3

Another new variant, this time in California. This virus is evolving all the time.....

KrustyUCC

PhoenixParker wrote: »

Johnson and Johnson are ready to submit now, they've been doing a rolling review and it's a one dose vaccine. The EU have 200million doses on order.

That'll be another game changer.

Hopefully that will be a quick process

Deeper Blue

opinionated3 wrote: »

Another new variant, this time in California. This virus is evolving all the time.....

There have been thousands of variants discovered, and all the evidence says the vaccines are effective against them.

Cork2021

PhoenixParker wrote: »

Johnson and Johnson are ready to submit now, they've been doing a rolling review and it's a one dose vaccine. The EU have 200million doses on order.

That'll be another game changer.

Where did you see that they are submitting tomorrow? If you mind me asking?

Cole

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Martin was talking to the BBC and he wouldn't answer when asked if Ireland would accept vaccines form the UK if they offered them when their own population is done.

Then he started bladdering on about how important it is to give people in developing countries the jab, thats grand but he better not be talking about sending them our share until everyone in this country is done.

I watched that interview and thought he performed well. He generally comes across so much better than many of their own UK politicians when he's on Marr's show.

Marhay70

Cole wrote: »

I watched that interview and thought he performed well. He generally comes across so much better than many of their own UK politicians when he's on Marr's show.

Let's face it, the bar is low.

Happydays2020

Marhay70 wrote: »

Let's face it, the bar is low.

And he was comfortably above it.

D.Q

PhoenixParker wrote: »

Johnson and Johnson are ready to submit now, they've been doing a rolling review and it's a one dose vaccine. The EU have 200million doses on order.

That'll be another game changer.

Haha maybe it's the January blues talking but I can't wait til these "game changers" actually start changing the game.

Water John

Any of our politicians who have been on UK TV over the last few years, have generally been miles ahead of many in the UK. If you go selling BS it does show.
The game changes a few weeks after the key vulnerable groups are vaccinated with a real fall off in deaths. You'll see that by the end of Feb, early March IWT.

Russman

I know we won’t have any choice in the matter, but purely out of curiosity, which of the non mRNA vaccines would ye prefer to take ?