COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 2 [Mod Warning - Post #1]

ACitizenErased

The CMO mentioned hospital outbreaks are decreasing rapidly. You'd wonder if the HCW vaccinations are playing a role in that.

namloc1980

snowcat wrote: »

My next door neighbours in their late 70's 80's have never did the lockdown thing even when we were all locked up in March. Still going strong. Hopefully they last the last leg.

What exactly were they up to?

funnydoggy

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The CMO mentioned hospital outbreaks are decreasing rapidly. You'd wonder if the HCW vaccinations are playing a role in that.

Ooooh interesting

snowcat

namloc1980 wrote: »

What exactly were they up to?

Im sorry but im not privvy to their actual lives but they were walking to the local shop. Family calling over. Saying hello to the neighbours (us). Anything specific?

Micky 32

snowcat wrote: »

Im sorry but im not privvy to their actual lives but they were walking to the local shop. Family calling over. Saying hello to the neighbours (us). Anything specific?

Nothing unusual about that. Since last March i do the shopping for the parents. There’s a man in his eighties i do see in there regularly since last march along with other old couples who weren’t cocooning. They are all still ok and still doing their shopping to this day.

snowcat

snowcat wrote: »

Im sorry but im not privvy to their actual lives but they were walking to the local shop. Family calling over. Saying hello to the neighbours (us). Anything specific?

I would be guessing that 70% of infections/deaths are being contracted in HSE controlled environments. Yet the HSE blame us for outbreaks. If you look at the trolley situation in Irish hospitals this time last year, you will see nothing has changed this year, If anything the situation is better. Last year we had nearly 100 on trolleys. This year its if anything. Its better. Covid might have been a blessing in disguise for our inept healthcare system

berocca2016

snowcat wrote: »

Every one to work out their own risk but people forget this is not a fatal virus. Less than 1% of people who catch it will die. Even amongst the over 85's more survive it than die from it. Lots of 100 year olds have got through it. If you are under 45 you have a greater chance of dying in a car crash. My uncle had it (76) and is on o2 at home prior to covid with copd and survived it. Make sure you take Vit D or else spend some time in the sun..(dont get burnt) and dont use sunscreen..that use of dangerous chemicals (sunscreen) to block natural vit d absorbtion has to be one of the biggest scandals of our generation.

https://youtu.be/au6FKi8aAsA

You should always wear an SPF to protect yourself from an increased risk of developing cancer when in the sun. It doesn't matter whether you burn or not. It is completely false to say sunscreen is full of dangerous chemicals.

snowcat

berocca2016 wrote: »

You should always wear an SPF to protect yourself from an increased risk of developing cancer when in the sun. It doesn't matter whether you burn or not. It is completely false to say sunscreen is full of dangerous chemicals.

Ok. Can you list the chemicals in say your standard cheap sunscreen and their effects on the body.

https://www.ewg.org/sunscreen/report/the-trouble-with-sunscreen-chemicals/#:~:text=The%20most%20common%20sunscreens%20contain,oxide%20and%2For%20titanium%20dioxide.

Ill take my chances with the completely natural organic SUN.

frozen3

Anyone been monitoring progress of this drug or trial?

EXO-CD24

https://www.debka.com/mivzak/phase-1-trial-of-israel-covid-19-cure-proves-effective-for-96pc-tested-report/

Israel reckon they have found the cure in stage 1 trial

96% effective for severe illness eg hospital stay

berocca2016

snowcat wrote: »

Ok. Can you list the chemicals in say your standard cheap sunscreen and their effects on the body.

I'm not going to get in with an argument about this. It is a falsehood to claim that sunscreen is full of dangerous chemicals and disingenuous to claim that I need to prove to you why it isn't by listing the ingredients and proving why they are safe.

Sunscreen is listed as safe for sale and is tested by people more qualified than you or I, sun damage happens before any visible or physical signs of burning happen, this again has been proven by people more qualified than you or I.

You are promoting a falsehood, if you are worried about your vitamin d intake, go buy a packet from Aldi for 2 euro, don't increase your risk of skin cancer to do it for free.

This is completely off topic so I will leave it there.

snowcat

snowcat wrote: »

Ok. Can you list the chemicals in say your standard cheap sunscreen and their effects on the body.

https://www.ewg.org/sunscreen/report/the-trouble-with-sunscreen-chemicals/#:~:text=The%20most%20common%20sunscreens%20contain,oxide%20and%2For%20titanium%20dioxide.

Ill take my chances with the completely natural organic SUN.

Enjoy your completely natural organic SKIN CANCER.

I presume you “did your research” on this theory at the YouTube Medicsl School?

Galwayguy35

A person representing chemists was on the radio earlier saying they are ready to help on the roll out of AZ to people but the HSE and Donnelly hasn't got back to them yet.

Donnelly would want to get the finger out and do his job.

snowcat

berocca2016 wrote: »

I'm not going to get in with an argument about this. It is a falsehood to claim that sunscreen is full of dangerous chemicals and disingenuous to claim that I need to prove to you why it isn't by listing the ingredients and proving why they are safe.

Sunscreen is listed as safe for sale and is tested by people more qualified than you or I, sun damage happens before any visible or physical signs of burning happen, this again has been proven by people more qualified than you or I.

You are promoting a falsehood, if you are worried about your vitamin d intake, go buy a packet from Aldi for 2 euro, don't increase your risk of skin cancer to do it for free.

This is completely off topic so I will leave it there.

Cool. I gave evidence you did not. Keep using sunscreen if you like but it is certainly not without risk and maybe even cancerous itself but thats off topic too so ill leave it there as well. And sorry but sunscreens are regarded as cosmetic products in the EU and are not under EMA approval

zuutroy

Evidence

Necro

Mod:

Let's get back on topic and quit the bickering shall we folks?

snowcat

zuutroy wrote: »

Evidence

Are you intelligent smart or funny ? You just look stupid

CIARAN_BOYLE

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

A person representing chemists was on the radio earlier saying they are ready to help on the roll out of AZ to people but the HSE and Donnelly hasn't got back to them yet.

Donnelly would want to get the finger out and do his job.

I believe there's no plan to get Pharmacies involved for a number of months. The average deliveries expected in q1 is between 50 and 60k a week but its starts at less than 30k next week.

I believe pharmacies are expected to be involved when numbers per week get above a certain level but they aren't planned to be involved for now.

Necro

snowcat wrote: »

Are you intelligent smart or funny ? You just look stupid

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Deathofcool

Daily Mail in the UK detailing some early data from professor Daniel Howdon that they are starting to see a reduction in the case fatality ratio of over 85s that they are not seeing in the 75-79 age group yet. Also outlining optimistic easing of restriction predictions if Astrazeneca reduces transmission by 65%.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9222857/Coronavirus-vaccinations-free-Britain-lockdown.html

Marhay70

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

I believe there's no plan to get Pharmacies involved for a number of months. The average deliveries expected in q1 is between 50 and 60k a week but its starts at less than 30k next week.

I believe pharmacies are expected to be involved when numbers per week get above a certain level but they aren't planned to be involved for now.

You would think they would involve pharmacies from the outset rather than dentists. Most reasonably sized rural communities would have at least one pharmacy, more than would have doctors or dentists.

brickster69

180,000 Moderna Doses & 79,000 Pfizer Doses arrived in Canada from Belgium today

Future Pfizer the delivery numbers are

Week of Feb 8 - 70,000 Doses
Week of Feb 15 - 335,000 Doses
Week of Feb 22 - 396,000 Doses

Bleating Lamb

From looking at 9 o' clock news I would think we are talking at least a month until rollout of vaccine for Over-70's living at home.....or am I being pessimistic?

iamwhoiam

Marhay70 wrote: »

You would think they would involve pharmacies from the outset rather than dentists. Most reasonably sized rural communities would have at least one pharmacy, more than would have doctors or dentists.

When we got our flu vaccine in a pharmacy in October the pharmacist explained to us that they couldn’t do it every day as they needed cover so one pharmacist is out on the floor . They didn’t always have cover and this was in a suburb in Dublin

Apogee

46,100 vaccinations planned for 1-7 Feb (19,100 already administered):
https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1357333088313896963

29,000 vaccinations for 8-14 Feb
https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1357333520042110977

Hmmzis

frozen3 wrote: »

Anyone been monitoring progress of this drug or trial?

EXO-CD24

https://www.debka.com/mivzak/phase-1-trial-of-israel-covid-19-cure-proves-effective-for-96pc-tested-report/

Israel reckon they have found the cure in stage 1 trial

96% effective for severe illness eg hospital stay

First time hearing of this.
From the little info available on it, it's a CD24 protein based inhalable drug. CD24 is expressed on lots of immune system cells (among others). Reading up in its functions gives a list the lenght of an arm. The most relevant seem to be inflammation regulation and T cell proliferation (CD4 in particular). Lymphopenia and high levels of inflammation are two major indicators of severe Covid. There are some other functions that could play a role as well, though they would be less against host factors but more along cell mediated viral defenses.

There could be some potential contraindications for certain cancer types and auto immune diseases.

Source: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fcell.2016.00146/full

markodaly

dominatinMC wrote: »

No it's not, and never has been, but don't let the facts get in the way of your propensity to make a sweeping statement.
The ONLY benchmark is hospitalisations and/or deaths. If we had 30,000 cases a day (hypothetically obviously) but not one of those got sick, what use would your benchmark be?

With all due respect, you are looking at it from a one-dimensional point of view.

If as you say, you had 30,000 cases a day, then you are putting huge pressure on the virus to evolve to become more serious and deadly, because of the immune response of all those people.

Every scientist knows this. That is why the key to all this is getting case numbers down to very very low figures, so we do not give the virus a chance to mutate whereby then we could be back to square one.

You do not want to have this virus out there in the wild so to speak for years, infecting tens of millions every month, but because we have a vaccine that doesn't make use sick, for now, doesn't mean a new variant can come along, because of the sheer number of people who have the virus, and makes people sick again.

As I will repeat again and again, there is a reason why countries around the world are closing their borders even when we are vaccinating people.


Also, I love it when you talk bout facts, yet you offer just an opinion, a layman's one at that.

markodaly

IrishStuff09 wrote: »

Not sure if already posted yet but:

First dose vaccinations
152,200

Second dose vaccinations
67,000

Vaccinations per 100 people
~4.4/100

Total vaccinations
219,200

The 4.4 is cheeky, as everyone will need two, better off splitting it between first dose and second dose per 100 people.

Cork2021

How do you mute or ignore posters?

markodaly

Apogee wrote: »

46,100 vaccinations planned for 1-7 Feb (19,100 already administered):
https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1357333088313896963

29,000 vaccinations for 8-14 Feb
https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1357333520042110977

Quite a slow down from next week onwards, which is to be expected I guess as the HSE need to recalibrate their schedule now.

What was the goal for the end of March again?
700,000 people vaccinated?

That is looking highly unlikely at this stage.

lucernarian

Cork2021 wrote: »

How do you mute or ignore posters?

I wish I knew how to do it on mobile.