COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 2 [Mod Warning - Post #1]

funnydoggy

hmmm wrote: »

in which case I go back to funnydoggy talking about us "swimming in vaccines" by mid-year.

nommm

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-europe-vaccines/eus-marathon-covid-vaccination-drive-off-to-uneven-start-idUSKBN2921FD


Hopefully we don’t see same mistakes here. 8 care home staff in germany given 5x recommended dose Resulting in 4 hospitaisations. 1000 doses sent back due to breaking of cold chain.

GreeBo

nommm wrote: »

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-europe-vaccines/eus-marathon-covid-vaccination-drive-off-to-uneven-start-idUSKBN2921FD


Hopefully we don’t see same mistakes here. 8 staff in germany given 5x recommended dose and 1000 doses sent back due to breaking of cold chain.

No no, just rush them out ASAP, much better to fight against that vicious disease optics-19 than take 2 days to ensure its all working smoothly.

Gael23

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Mr Donnelly assured colleagues that inoculation would be a full seven-day operation and not a five-day system as has been suggested. He reiterated the only constraint would be supply and all resources would be in place.

The Minister also assured Cabinet that they were engaging with GPs and pharmacies after a number of Ministers expressed concern that different GPs were out raising questions about the pace of vaccines and the importance of engaging with them.


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-government-may-impose-full-level-5-restrictions-due-to-concern-at-number-of-hospitalisations-1.4446673

I’d be satisfied with a 6 day operation running 8am to 8pm

nommm

GreeBo wrote: »

No no, just rush them out ASAP, much better to fight against that vicious disease optics-19 than take 2 days to ensure its all working smoothly.

Exactly, makes me glad we seem to be ensuring everything is in order before starting!

Van.Bosch

nommm wrote: »

Exactly, makes me glad we seem to be ensuring everything is in order before starting!

If that was the case I think everyone would agree. Our delay was down to “informed consent” which I think could have been sorted weeks ago, same with training.

Anyway, we are starting today so hopefully we can get it done as safely and as quickly as possible.

VinLieger

So the head of the vaccine rollout said they hope to have all nursing home residents vaccinated by end of Feb, if we are receiving 40k per week by early to mid Jan and theres only 30k nursing home residents how does this work out? Are they counting the second injection because its not really clear at all?

JeffKenna

GreeBo wrote: »

No no, just rush them out ASAP, much better to fight against that vicious disease optics-19 than take 2 days to ensure its all working smoothly.

The test is yet to come whether all will work smoothly.

stephenjmcd

VinLieger wrote: »

So the head of the vaccine rollout said they hope to have all nursing home residents vaccinated by end of Feb, if we are receiving 40k per week by early to mid Jan and theres only 30k nursing home residents how does this work out? Are they counting the second injection because its not really clear at all?

All nursing homes including staff with 2 doses. Thats about 70k people. At the same time you'll also have hospital rollout underway.

Nursing homes have been given the dates when vacination teams will be visiting.

Stheno

VinLieger wrote: »

So the head of the vaccine rollout said they hope to have all nursing home residents vaccinated by end of Feb, if we are receiving 40k per week by early to mid Jan and theres only 30k nursing home residents how does this work out? Are they counting the second injection because its not really clear at all?

Its 70k including staff and the plan is that over six weeks they will all get the two doses

Any extra vaccine will be given to healthcare workers and the other high priority groups

GreeBo

JeffKenna wrote: »

The test is yet to come whether all will work smoothly.

Indeed, so why pick it apart now?

Let's discuss it at the end when we know how it worked out?

JeffKenna

GreeBo wrote: »

Indeed, so why pick it apart now?

Let's discuss it at the end when we know how it worked out?

I think that's a fair point.

Micky 32

Jesus Christ, do RTE ever have a day off. Reporting Michael Ryan from the WHO with headlines warning us that this isn’t “The big one”. Are the vaccines beginning to make him feel less important now or something :rolleyes: Let us get over this pandemic first ffs.

AdamD

GreeBo wrote: »

No no, just rush them out ASAP, much better to fight against that vicious disease optics-19 than take 2 days to ensure its all working smoothly.

You know its possible to do both right? Picking one situation across Europe where a small amount of doses (relative to Germany) were messed up doesn't justify delaying this.

Gile_na_gile

Hardyn wrote: »

https://www.livemint.com/science/health/efficacy-of-oxford-jabs-at-95-if-given-3-months-apart-sii-11609181643451.html

Looks like you're right.

That two month plus gap between doses would explain the drive in the UK to horse out this first dose ASAP starting this week. We have yet to hear from the MHRA but here we might have another situation where we in the republic dither over EMA deliberations until Feb while they dole it out in Newry and Derry.

nommm

Gile_na_gile wrote: »

That two month plus gap between doses would explain the drive in the UK to horse out this first dose ASAP starting this week. We have yet to hear from the MHRA but here we might have another situation where we in the republic dither over EMA deliberations until Feb while they dole it out in Newry and Derry.

AZ haven’t given data to EMA. They can’t approve something they don’t have the data for.

ACitizenErased

I assume RTE will be sharing the first vaccination live on telly? Right?

Micky 32

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I assume RTE will be sharing the first vaccination live on telly? Right?

If they do it will be swiftly followed by something to dampen it.

AdamD

Micky 32 wrote: »

If they do it will swiftly followed by something to dampen it.

A big yellow headline underneath 'NOT THE SILVER BULLET'. :pac:

Stheno

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I assume RTE will be sharing the first vaccination live on telly? Right?

I doubt it due to "confidentiality"

funnydoggy

Did they just say they're holding back some of the doses? I thought the full allocation was being given out in the first dose.

ACitizenErased

funnydoggy wrote: »

Did they just say they're holding back some of the doses? I thought the full allocation was being given out in the first dose.

They have to due to supply chain problems for pfizer

funnydoggy

AdamD wrote: »

A big yellow headline underneath 'NOT THE SILVER BULLET'. :pac:

"A 79 year old woman from Dublin was the first person in Ireland to receive the vaccine today, as cases surge and with a full lockdown on the horizon" :pac:

funnydoggy

ACitizenErased wrote: »

They have to due to supply chain problems for pfizer

Ah. All good! They'll get it regardless

braychelsea

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-eu-astrazeneca/astrazeneca-vaccine-not-ready-for-quick-european-approval-watchdog-official-says-idUKKBN293144?il=0

AstraZeneca looking like won't be approved in Europe until February at least. Interesting that UK regulators have received full data package but EMA hasn't even received additional data, similar thing that happened with Pfizer. Can't help but feel EMA are dropping the ball massively on going for market authorisation rather than a EUA.

AdamD

braychelsea wrote: »

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-eu-astrazeneca/astrazeneca-vaccine-not-ready-for-quick-european-approval-watchdog-official-says-idUKKBN293144?il=0

AstraZeneca looking like won't be approved in Europe until February at least. Interesting that UK regulators have received full data package but EMA hasn't even received additional data, similar thing that happened with Pfizer. Can't help but feel EMA are dropping the ball massively on going for market authorisation rather than a EUA.

If that's true we're going to end up significantly behind the UK for vaccinations

ACitizenErased

braychelsea wrote: »

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-eu-astrazeneca/astrazeneca-vaccine-not-ready-for-quick-european-approval-watchdog-official-says-idUKKBN293144?il=0

AstraZeneca looking like won't be approved in Europe until February at least. Interesting that UK regulators have received full data package but EMA hasn't even received additional data, similar thing that happened with Pfizer. Can't help but feel EMA are dropping the ball massively on going for market authorisation rather than a EUA.

Can't really blame the EMA when Astrazeneca haven't even submitted their application

stephenjmcd

braychelsea wrote: »

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-eu-astrazeneca/astrazeneca-vaccine-not-ready-for-quick-european-approval-watchdog-official-says-idUKKBN293144?il=0

AstraZeneca looking like won't be approved in Europe until February at least. Interesting that UK regulators have received full data package but EMA hasn't even received additional data, similar thing that happened with Pfizer. Can't help but feel EMA are dropping the ball massively on going for market authorisation rather than a EUA.

Big difference in the type of authorisation, the approval the MHRA give involves each batch being approved. Conditional market authorisations are much more in depth.

titan18

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Can't really blame the EMA when Astrazeneca haven't even submitted their application

Depends, are the EMA asking for lots more data than others resulting in AstraZeneca having to gather lots more on their side to even submit an application

stephenjmcd

titan18 wrote: »

Depends, are the EMA asking for lots more data than others resulting in AstraZeneca having to gather lots more on their side to even submit an application

Its a different type of approval which requires more data