COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 2 [Mod Warning - Post #1]

Happydays2020

Is it true that the second dose can be delayed by 2-3 months? 90% efficacy after 7 days, and the second dose will give 95%?

In which case should the vaccination strategy change and be focused on getting as many as possible the first dose? Meaning most at risk can be achieved by end of January.

VinLieger

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Stroage requirements of moderna and Oxford will allow both GPs and Pharmacists to administer them taking away the pressure on public health vacination teams and therefore speeding up the process while allowing vacination teams to concentrate on the most vulnerable that might not be able to attend mass vaccination centres, GP or pharmacy.

I'm not sure how its that difficult to follow to be honest.

Less of the condescension, its really not necessary even if it makes you feel superior, im asking legitimate questions as it really sounds like we may already be bungling this rollout.

The storage requirements already allow Gps and pharmacists to administer the Pfizer vaccine as it can be stored in normal medical refrigeration units at 2-8 degrees for five days

https://www.pfizer.com/news/hot-topics/covid_19_vaccine_u_s_distribution_fact_sheet

Once a POU receives a thermal shipper with our vaccine, they have three options for storage:

• - Ultra-low-temperature freezers, which are commercially available and can extend shelf life for up to six months.
• - The Pfizer thermal shippers, in which doses will arrive, that can be used as temporary storage units by refilling with dry ice every five days for up to 30 days of storage.
• - Refrigeration units that are commonly available in hospitals. The vaccine can be stored for five days at refrigerated 2-8°C conditions.

Stheno

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Is it true that the second dose can be delayed by 2-3 months? 90% efficacy after 7 days, and the second dose will give 95%?

In which case should the vaccination strategy change and be focused on getting as many as possible the first dose? Meaning most at risk can be achieved by end of January.

Think the Oxford one can be delayed

Happydays2020

Stheno wrote: »

Think the Oxford one can be delayed

Ok. This is the article https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-55410349 kit flying from Tony Blair.

ACitizenErased

VinLieger wrote: »

Less of the condescension, its really not necessary even if it makes you feel superior, im asking legitimate questions as it really sounds like we may already be bungling this rollout.

The storage requirements already allow Gps and pharmacists to administer the Pfizer vaccine as it can be stored in normal medical refrigeration units at 2-8 degrees for five days

https://www.pfizer.com/news/hot-topics/covid_19_vaccine_u_s_distribution_fact_sheet

The Pfizer vaccine will never ever ever be given to GPs. Not happening.

Stheno

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Ok. This is the article https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-55410349

Ah its not proven for Pfizer one

VinLieger

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The Pfizer vaccine will never ever ever be given to GPs. Not happening.

If true its an absurd decision as pfizer clearly state it can be stored at similar temp levels as the other vaccines for five days

Happydays2020

Stheno wrote: »

Ah its not proven for Pfizer one

I see that now. Saw reference to this elsewhere and was wondering whether it had substance.

ACitizenErased

VinLieger wrote: »

If true its an absurd decision as pfizer clearly state it can be stored at similar temp levels as the other vaccines for five days

No it's not. There's news emerging from Germany today about GPs and nursing homes fecking up the Pfizer vaccine, they had to throw away 1000 doses.

ACitizenErased

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1343918194566848513?s=20

Van.Bosch

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1343918194566848513?s=20

Great to see

hynesie08

Why an inner city granny though? If covid came to her door she'd give it a smack of a sweeping brush and tell it to fcuk off......

Wonderful news though, I can almost smell the stale beer in the Olympia theatre..

leahyl

Aaw I got a bit emotional watching that! A great day! Well done Mrs Lynch.

Stheno

leahyl wrote: »

Aaw I got a bit emotional watching that! A great day! Well done Mrs Lynch.

I laughed at the nurse "sure, not a bother on you"

leahyl

Stheno wrote: »

I laughed at the nurse "sure, not a bother on you"

Typical Irish nurse :-)

marno21

Slow and steady wins the race.

ACitizenErased

marno21 wrote: »

Slow and steady wins the race.

Finally on the list

ACitizenErased

First HCW vaccinated:
https://twitter.com/HSELive/status/1343922721080668168?s=20

iamwhoiam

leahyl wrote: »

Aaw I got a bit emotional watching that! A great day! Well done Mrs Lynch.

I got tearful too .

ACitizenErased

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The Pfizer vaccine will never ever ever be given to GPs. Not happening.

UK have been using GPs with no issues other than people failing to show up.

ACitizenErased

Deleted User wrote: »

UK have been using GPs with no issues other than people failing to show up.

The UK have considerably more experience in cold chain management than we do. We had to buy freezers ffs.

VinLieger

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The UK have considerably more experience in cold chain management than we do. We had to buy freezers ffs.

Yes a country of 5 million had to buy freezers because its never needed them at this scale before..... shocking

ACitizenErased

VinLieger wrote: »

Yes a country of 5 million had to buy freezers because its never needed them at this scale before..... shocking

And yet you want it rolled out to GPs :pac:

lbj666

VinLieger wrote: »

Sorry the ones we should start receiving in the next week or so.





We supposedly are going to be getting 40k pfizer vaccines per week very soon yet the minister for health has clearly said 40k vaccinations per week is an ambitious target ,therefore it may not be possible so how in your own words does more vaccines make it magically possible to then vaccinate more people if we wont be able to vaccinate 40k per week when we are receving that number on a weekly basis?


IE once oxford is approved and start shipping and we have lets say 40k of them plus 40k of pfizer per week how do we then do 80k vaccinations per week if 40k is again as the minister says ambitious?

While he's probably exaggerating, it's just in the context of administering within care homes and hospitals etc for logistically tricky vacine to handle, especially bringing it on the road to care homes. No GPs, pharmacy's and mass vacine centres will be used in this stage and probably didn't make sense to given early limited supply and the risk of more chains expected to handle the vacine.

When AZ oxford comes along and the GPs pharmacy mvcs come online with a stage 2 ramp up, that's when to really interogate capacity and progress, keep the pitchforks sharp til then.

VinLieger

ACitizenErased wrote: »

And yet you want it rolled out to GPs :pac:

What do Gps capabilities have to do with the country owning freezers? Your logical leaps are bizzarre. The UK GPs are not magically trained in some different way that ours arent on how to handle cold storage medicines by virtue of the fact their country owns more freezers than we do.

Van.Bosch

marno21 wrote: »

Slow and steady wins the race.

Excellent

Irish Stones

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Apple Wallet is now supporting proof of vaccination for those living in California. Interesting usage of the app.

Italian government is talking about making the vaccine mandatory. I think they are very close to this decision.
No app needed, so.

ACitizenErased

VinLieger wrote: »

What do Gps capabilities have to do with the country owning freezers? Your logical leaps are bizzarre. The UK GPs are not magically trained in some different way that ours arent on how to handle cold storage medicines by virtue of the fact their country owns more freezers than we do.

Dear god. Not worth the reply.

VonLuck

marno21 wrote: »

Slow and steady wins the race.

Did you edit that chart yourself? Can't seem to find Ireland anywhere on the Our World In Data website.

stephenjmcd

An interesting thread

https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1343878143925493766?s=19

Edit: posted to wrong thread but will leave here unless mods decide to move. Can also be discussed around vaccine effitivness