COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 2 [Mod Warning - Post #1]

Psychedelic Hedgehog

I hope he’s not talking a load of Balloux 😀

VinLieger

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Dear god. Not worth the reply.

And yet you replied..... if it wasn't worth a reply you literally wouldn't have replied.

cityboyjim

The Stability Data for these frozen drugs is usually 48 hours and up to 72 Hours .Send it out to the health centers and inject 24/7 until everybody willing to take it has got it .You only need the -80 fridges in the storage locations .2 to 8 degree storage is usually fine during those 48 to 72 Hours .Check out Stability data on frozen drugs and its usually the same time limits .Logistics plans for this roll out just dont seem right to me .

GooglePlus

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Dear god. Not worth the reply.

You really are a know it all but you've been proven to be wrong so many times in the last year on so many things that you spoke so confidently about.

If we were to ask ACitizenErased what Christmas might have looked like in August, he'd be telling you that there'd be nothing to worry about as contact tracing was sufficient in containing the virus going forward. Now he's dead certain that GPs won't be administering the Pfizer vaccine "never ever ever".

Pay no attention to him, he gets a buzz out of claiming to know these things and then ignores people when his bull**** comes to light.

AdamD

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1343935614127898628

Is this new?

Stheno

AdamD wrote: »

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1343935614127898628

Is this new?

Yes the EU were offered these earlier but turned it down

Now is probably in response to Oxford approval slowing

mike8634

Question for anyone in the know

If someone gets the vaccine here and they get mildly sick few weeks or months later will they be tested for Covid?

Mildly sick , as in non hospital stay

Bubbaclaus

mike8634 wrote: »

Question for anyone in the know

If someone gets the vaccine here and they get mildly sick few weeks or months later will they be tested for Covid?

Mildly sick , as in non hospital stay

Why wouldn't they?

hmmm

mike8634 wrote: »

If someone gets the vaccine here and they get mildly sick few weeks or months later will they be tested for Covid?

Mildly sick , as in non hospital stay

We don't know what impact the vaccines will have on transmission, they are designed to protect against the worst of the disease.

So yeah even if you get the vaccination, you should still be tested for the virus if you feel sick as you might be capable of spreading the virus. We're in uncharted territory for a while.

mike8634

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Why wouldn't they?

They'll have the vaccine and should be immune

stephenjmcd

AdamD wrote: »

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1343935614127898628

Is this new?

The initial contract was always 200m with 100m additional.

They turned down a higher number than the 100m additional due to already having multiple orders in with other providers. As its now proven safe and effective they'll call on the additional 100m as per the agreement

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_2081

"Today, the European Commission approved a fourth contract with pharmaceutical companies BioNTech and Pfizer, which provides for the initial purchase of 200 million doses on behalf of all EU Member States, plus an option to request up to a further 100 million doses, to be supplied once a vaccine has proven to be safe and effective against COVID-19"

eigrod

Probably a bit early for this question, but I’ll ask it anyway, if you get the Pfizer vaccine this year, could you get the Oxford/AZ one next year, or is it likely you’ll be asked to stick with the same one?

mike8634

hmmm wrote: »

We don't know what impact the vaccines will have on transmission, they are designed to protect against the worst of the disease.

So yeah even if you get the vaccination, you should still be tested for the virus if you feel sick as you might be capable of spreading the virus. We're in uncharted territory for a while.

Will be interesting alright

Bubbaclaus

mike8634 wrote: »

They'll have the vaccine and should be immune

How have you deduced that?

mike8634

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

How have you deduced that?

95% efficacy

stephenjmcd

Underway in other hospitals also

https://twitter.com/profmaryhorgan/status/1343949718825660418?s=19

https://twitter.com/Rheum2improve/status/1343935251731656704?s=19

Stheno

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Underway in other hospitals also

https://twitter.com/profmaryhorgan/status/1343949718825660418?s=19

https://twitter.com/Rheum2improve/status/1343935251731656704?s=19

Glad to see HCWs getting it

stephenjmcd

Looks like there might be an extra dose available in each vial

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1343956382966558720?s=19

Stheno

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Looks like there might be an extra dose available in each vial

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1343956382966558720?s=19

This came up a couple of weeks ago in the US and the FDA approved using all doses per vial

I think they estimated 20% of vials had extra doses iirc

If there is one extra in each vial thats good news

40k doses becomes 48k

mike8634

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Looks like there might be an extra dose available in each vial

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1343956382966558720?s=19

Why can't they measure them properly?

8 old people ended up in hospital from overdose in Germany, it was a big overdose, but shows the danger

Is a dose done by bodyweight for vaccines?

Or one size fits all?

150kg 6'6 strongman getting the same dose as 45kg 5'1 woman

lbj666

Stheno wrote: »

This came up a couple of weeks ago in the US and the FDA approved using all doses per vial

I think they estimated 20% of vials had extra doses iirc

If there is one extra in each vial thats good news

40k doses becomes 48k

Can some one explain this to me? are the volumes so miniscule before mixing that with better syringes you can eek an extra dose out of the vial?

nommm

nommm wrote: »

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-europe-vaccines/eus-marathon-covid-vaccination-drive-off-to-uneven-start-idUSKBN2921FD


Hopefully we don’t see same mistakes here. 8 care home staff in germany given 5x recommended dose Resulting in 4 hospitaisations. 1000 doses sent back due to breaking of cold chain.

I am very conscious of those who berated the hse for not vaccinating as soon as the doses landed, unlike Germany, and waiting to ensure proper training was completed was folly

Stheno

lbj666 wrote: »

Can some one explain this to me? are the volumes so miniscule before mixing that with better syringes you can eek an extra dose out of the vial?

I *think* that with vials containing multiple doses the volume can be in excess of the.required dosage

It seems in this case that the.excess is enough for.an additional dose if certain syringes are used going by the article linked above

lbj666

lbj666 wrote: »

Can some one explain this to me? are the volumes so miniscule before mixing that with better syringes you can eek an extra dose out of the vial?

No the vials are overfilled to allow for wastage. Sometimes there's enough left after the fifth dose that with the right syringe you can get a sixth.

VinLieger

VinLieger wrote: »

Sorry the ones we should start receiving in the next week or so.





We supposedly are going to be getting 40k pfizer vaccines per week very soon yet the minister for health has clearly said 40k vaccinations per week is an ambitious target ,therefore it may not be possible so how in your own words does more vaccines make it magically possible to then vaccinate more people if we wont be able to vaccinate 40k per week when we are receving that number on a weekly basis?


IE once oxford is approved and start shipping and we have lets say 40k of them plus 40k of pfizer per week how do we then do 80k vaccinations per week if 40k is again as the minister says ambitious?

Managing expectations. Why commit to more than 40k when we only have 40. Look at the numbers of flu vaccine we rollout

marno21

marno21 wrote: »

Slow and steady wins the race.

I don’t see every eu country on that list, yet according to the boards experts we were the slowest in Europe, paddy last

braychelsea

Deleted User wrote: »

I don’t see every eu country on that list, yet according to the boards experts we were the slowest in Europe, paddy last

We were the second last country to start vaccinations in the EU

lbj666

Stheno wrote: »

I *think* that with vials containing multiple doses the volume can be in excess of the.required dosage

It seems in this case that the.excess is enough for.an additional dose if certain syringes are used going by the article linked above

Certain syringes and steady hands so, interesting, would add to the logistics for spare vials given the temperature but very positive none the less.

braychelsea

braychelsea wrote: »

We were the second last country to start vaccinations in the EU

Not according to that list, and we didn’t od 8 old folks or destroy 1000 doses of the vaccine as Germany did through rushing out without adequate training

funnydoggy

Today's been such a great day for it. Amazing.