COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 2 [Mod Warning - Post #1]

weisses

irishgeo wrote: »

Nobody knows except the HSE and they haven't released any figures?

Heard yesterday that they are vaccinating clerical personnel in Beaumont ... Not really front line staff..

is_that_so

ACitizenErased wrote: »

A week after getting it? Not even close to having protection. First dose gives max 50% protection after 3 weeks.



Why is this in the news???

Because it's a good headline.

Stheno

weisses wrote: »

Heard yesterday that they are vaccinating clerical personnel in Beaumont ... Not really front line staff..

The more people in hospital settings vaccinated the better as far as I am concerned

irishgeo

weisses wrote: »

Heard yesterday that they are vaccinating clerical personnel in Beaumont ... Not really front line staff..

You got a source or is it the more of that whatapp made up bull****. Still waiting for the army to hit the streets.

is_that_so

weisses wrote: »

Heard yesterday that they are vaccinating clerical personnel in Beaumont ... Not really front line staff..

They have done some nurses on COVID wards. They are in 4 hospitals and this week is really a test run for protocols etc. TBH adding more vaccinated in a hospital setting makes a lot of sense, regardless of what they do.

stephenjmcd

weisses wrote: »

Heard yesterday that they are vaccinating clerical personnel in Beaumont ... Not really front line staff..

More the better but front line are being vaccinated including porters etc

https://twitter.com/whelan_rory/status/1344242554875879424?s=19

https://twitter.com/Rheum2improve/status/1343935251731656704?s=19

blackcard

Duke of Url wrote: »

Ireland should simply negotiate its own Contract with AstraZeneca outside of the EU as well as get it within the EU scheme.

And if all the other EU countries do the same, we will be left at the back of the queue

ACitizenErased

There's 250 nurses/doctors/porters from COVID ward in CUH being vaccinated today and again tomorrow. Not 'clerical' staff.

biko

Maybe not as bad as it sounds, but it sounds strange

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE-x7CLe5X8

ACitizenErased

biko wrote: »

Maybe not as bad as it sounds, but it sounds strange

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE-x7CLe5X8

8 days after receiving the vaccine............ shock horror man infected.
What a complete non-story.

Micky 32

I know the next month or two will be tough but it’s good to see positivity amongst the dark days ahead..

“Speaking on RTÉ's Morning Ireland, Michael McGrath said we are at a point where we can "see the destination on the horizon" particularly with the introduction of the vaccine.

But as is often the case, the last part of the journey can be the most difficult and treacherous," he said.

"We have a difficult road ahead but we know where we're going and we're well on that road now."

ACitizenErased

Micky 32 wrote: »

I know the next month or two will be tough but it’s good to see positivity amongst the dark days ahead..

“Speaking on RTÉ's Morning Ireland, Michael McGrath said we are at a point where we can "see the destination on the horizon" particularly with the introduction of the vaccine.

But as is often the case, the last part of the journey can be the most difficult and treacherous," he said.

"We have a difficult road ahead but we know where we're going and we're well on that road now."

I know Michael personally, he's actually one of the more sensible ministers. Wouldn't be one for doom, never has been in my experiences.

Away With The Fairies

Micky 32 wrote: »

The vaccines do a lot more than just lessening the symptoms. They prevent the vaccinated getting the disease. Yes it maybe possible you could carry it but some are saying it could reduce transmission. But if you want to social distance for the rest of your life be my guest

It might take until the last part of 2021 but normality is on it’s way.

The vaccine trains your body to make antibodies so that when and if you come in contact with the virus, you'll be better fighting it off. So it doesn't stop the vaccinated getting the virus.

Hmmzis

biko wrote: »

Maybe not as bad as it sounds, but it sounds strange

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE-x7CLe5X8

It's not strange at all. The efficacy is 95% seven days after getting the 2nd dose. The first dose kicks in around day 10 with a lower efficacy rating. Given the median time from infection to symptom onset, the nurse probably got infected around the day of vaccination (+/- a couple days).

Even after the 2nd dose you'd be expecting an average of 1 in 20 to become infected and develop symptoms, but with a much reduced disease progression and lower viral loads.

Deeper Blue

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

The vaccine trains your body to make antibodies so that when and if you come in contact with the virus, you'll be better fighting it off. So it doesn't stop the vaccinated getting the virus.

That last bit is pure conjecture

Edit: misread your post completely

ACitizenErased

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

The vaccine trains your body to make antibodies so that when and if you come in contact with the virus, you'll be better fighting it off. So it doesn't stop the vaccinated getting the virus.

It doesn't stop the virus. It stops COVID-19, the disease caused by the virus. That's the whole point.

Micky 32

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

The vaccine trains your body to make antibodies so that when and if you come in contact with the virus, you'll be better fighting it off. So it doesn't stop the vaccinated getting the virus.

Yes you are correct so it does more than just “ lessen” the symptoms. Once the majority of the country post summer are vaccinated ( especially old/vulnerable)there won’t be much social distancing going on.

Neamhshuntasach

weisses wrote: »

Heard yesterday that they are vaccinating clerical personnel in Beaumont ... Not really front line staff..

And so they should. My wife's secretary does be face with both my wife, other doctors, sometimes patients and family members of those. There should be no weak parts of the chain in a hospital ebmnvironment. Medical staff or otherwise.

Minier81

weisses wrote: »

Heard yesterday that they are vaccinating clerical personnel in Beaumont ... Not really front line staff..

Not all front line staff are nurses you know. Beaumont were publicising the people who got it yesterday,all over Twitter etc as per the other sites. It was a mix of nurses, doctors, porters etc.

Also while clerical staff might not sound as "deserving" (if that is your inference) who do you think the first two staff members you would meet if you walk into an ED?...security guard and the ED clerk to register you. And they have all been working on site 24/7 since the covid crisis began alongside nurses and doctors.

smurfjed

Sent out an email this morning asking staff if they desired the vaccine as for certain roles it isn’t compulsory. Out of 28 people in one department, 5 responded that they didn’t want it.

Melanchthon

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Any country can approve a vaccine for use. The UK didn't get to approve it quicker because of brexit.

The issue is the UK isn't part of the EU purchasing of vaccines, they have their own supply contract.
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For some reason the link I had put in got removed when cross posting but yeah my point is that if Irish government wanted they could approve that vaccine.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Until the EMA approve a vaccine the EU doesn't get its supply of said vaccine as far as I'm aware. The EU countries signed into the agreement and knew what the process was. At the end of the day theres nothing for the EMA to approve as there's no application in.

If you've your own contact fire away but we don't.

So ability to receive stocks from the pooled purchase is linked to EMA approval I did not know that.

Also if the most important EU partner (Germany) is buying vaccines outside this scheme so there is no need to use the excuse about being good Europeans to not attempt this
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-02/germany-seeks-covid-vaccine-doses-beyond-eu-deal-allocation

Similarly Germany (and Hungary) started vaccination earlier than Von Der Leyden's arbitrary deadline so they aren't unbreakable rules for EU countries.

If we even got a good proportion of those in care homes vaccinated in the next month it would cut mortality significantly and would be so much more humane as it would allow the residents more social contact.

Basically if there is a political will the EU stuff shouldn't be a barrier as German actions show

pgj2015

why are most foreigners here anti covid vaxers?

I have yet to meet a foreigner In Ireland who is pro covid vaccine. Especially eastern europeans, they all think the government are trying to harm them with the vaccine.

They are going around spreading rubbish about side effects of the vaccine.

stephenjmcd

Melanchthon wrote: »

For some reason the link I had put in got removed when cross posting but yeah my point is that if Irish government wanted they could approve that vaccine.



So ability to receive stocks from the pooled purchase is linked to EMA approval I did not know that.

Also if the most important EU partner (Germany) is buying vaccines outside this scheme so there is no need to use the excuse about being good Europeans to not attempt this
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-02/germany-seeks-covid-vaccine-doses-beyond-eu-deal-allocation

Similarly Germany (and Hungary) started vaccination earlier than Von Der Leyden's arbitrary deadline so they aren't unbreakable rules for EU countries.

If we even got a good proportion of those in care homes vaccinated in the next month it would cut mortality significantly and would be so much more humane as it would allow the residents more social contact.

Basically if there is a political will the EU stuff shouldn't be a barrier as German actions show

I'm pretty sure someone else posted later in December that the Germans abandoned that plan. Manufacturers are essentially booked up with orders for the coming months. They could well do a deal in the future but they won't get stock for many many months.

There was no rule when you could start vaccinating, only when approval came and then supply, that was up to each country so they didn't break any "arbitrary deadline"

stephenjmcd

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I'm pretty sure someone else posted later in December that the Germans abandoned that plan. Manufacturers are essentially booked up with orders for the coming months. They could well do a deal in the future but they won't get stock for many many months.

There was no rule when you could start vaccinating, only when approval came and then supply, that was up to each country so they didn't break any "arbitrary deadline"

Reuters reported a few days ago that Germany have secured an additional 30m Pfizer doses in a separate deal:

"An Italian reporter asked about the supplies at a German government news conference. An official from the German health ministry replied that Berlin had signed a separate deal for 30 million extra doses of the Pfizer vaccine. "

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-europe-vaccines/eus-marathon-covid-vaccination-drive-off-to-uneven-start-idUSKBN2921FD

gctest50

weisses wrote: »

Heard yesterday that they are vaccinating clerical personnel in Beaumont ... Not really front line staff..

Whoever carried that frontline thing out from a happy clappy motivational class should be hung drawn & quartered

They're never more than 100 meters from the teapot


This woman is a frontline worker :


https://imgur.com/5Ssw69k


All 5'1" of her put herself in "mortal danger" to treat a wounded Afghan soldier under heavy Taliban fire and was awarded the Military Cross.


tldr : Hosptals won't work work without admin staff

ACitizenErased

Reid says 3 week sweep of nursing homes to start Monday. Further 3 weeks for second doses.

namloc1980

Stheno wrote: »

The more people in hospital settings vaccinated the better as far as I am concerned

Sure but non patient contact healthcare workers are in Group 4 of the vaccine prioritisation schedule. Are we just chucking the schedule in the bin already? If they needed to be vaccinated earlier then that group should have been higher up the priority list. As it stands now Group 1 won't start until the 11th January or so yet we have started with Group 2 and 4. BTW everyone should get the vaccine but if we're deviating from the schedule already it totally undermines the rollout.

is_that_so

namloc1980 wrote: »

Sure but non patient contact healthcare workers are in Group 4 of the vaccine prioritisation schedule. Are we just chucking the schedule in the bin already? If they needed to be vaccinated earlier then that group should have been higher up the priority list. As it stands now Group 1 won't start until the 11th January yet we have started with Group 2 and 4. BTW everyone should get the vaccine but if we're deviating from the schedule already it totally undermines the rollout.

It's really a test week with just under 10k and healthcare settings were chosen. They want to iron out any issues. From Monday it's care homes.

AdamD

namloc1980 wrote: »

Sure but non patient contact healthcare workers are in Group 4 of the vaccine prioritisation schedule. Are we just chucking the schedule in the bin already? If they needed to be vaccinated earlier then that group should have been higher up the priority list. As it stands now Group 1 won't start until the 11th January or so yet we have started with Group 2 and 4. BTW everyone should get the vaccine but if we're deviating from the schedule already it totally undermines the rollout.

To be fair if the consent forms for nursing homes etc. aren't ready, I'm much happier seeing them move to other groups and get vaccinating rather than sit idle.

Stheno

namloc1980 wrote: »

Sure but non patient contact healthcare workers are in Group 4 of the vaccine prioritisation schedule. Are we just chucking the schedule in the bin already? If they needed to be vaccinated earlier then that group should have been higher up the priority list. As it stands now Group 1 won't start until the 11th January or so yet we have started with Group 2 and 4. BTW everyone should get the vaccine but if we're deviating from the schedule already it totally undermines the rollout.

They've changed the schedule for the nursing homes and are starting next

All first doses to be delivered in three weeks

Really good news imo they'll be done by mid Feb