COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 2 [Mod Warning - Post #1]

hmmm

hynesie08 wrote: »

Exactly, it's almost like there's a rollout plan in place......

This is the Justice Minister, one of the most senior ministers in cabinet. If her expectation is that we won't get everyone vaccinated by the end of 2021, what else is being said in government which isn't being said in public?

Hopefully she misspoke or this is a clumsy attempt at setting expectations, but if this is the real expectation in cabinet then someone needs to put a rocket up their collective behinds.

is_that_so

hynesie08 wrote: »

Exactly, it's almost like there's a rollout plan in place......

I can understand the frustration, especially when other countries are "racing ahead". I don't think we can judge a plan that hasn't even started yet and where the numbers initially vaccinated will depend on limited supplies.

hynesie08

hmmm wrote: »

This is the Justice Minister, one of the most senior ministers in cabinet. If her expectation is that we won't get everyone vaccinated by the end of 2021, what else is being said in government which isn't being said in public?

Hopefully she misspoke, but if this is the expectation in cabinet then someone needs to put a rocket up their collective behinds.

What do you want them to say? There are plans in place to vaccinate 500000 people a week if we can get that many doses, we just have to wait for the paperwork.

What would happen if they started announcing the rollout of moderna, and it didn't get EU approval? Never work in maybes.

Before someone says it, yes we could organise our own deal, but does any manufacturer have 5 million spare vaccines lying around?

hynesie08

is_that_so wrote: »

I can understand the frustration, especially when other countries are "racing ahead". I don't think we can judge a plan that hasn't even started yet and where the numbers initially vaccinated will depend on limited supplies.

It really is that simple when it comes down to it?

lbj666

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They seem to be intimating that the process is really difficult. When it isn't... Secure the supply, set up centres, staff, appointments and work through the priority groups. It seems to be trend across the civil service to suggest things are more difficult than they actually are, they take the whole "manage expectations" thing a bit too far.

Progress is going to be compared to the rest of Europe not the managed expectations they are trying to set themselves. There's fuss already over non starting sooner on a very small number of jabs, the media are already on it.
Lobby groups will be on it fast also especially if there's risk the hospitality industry will still be impacted similar to last summer.

Sooner the cabinet realised this the better, absolutely baffling stuff from McEntee.

JimmyVik

lbj666 wrote: »

Progress is going to be compared to the rest of Europe not the managed expectations they are trying to set themselves. There's fuss already over non starting sooner on a very small number of jabs, the media are already on it.
Lobby groups will be on it fast also especially if there's risk the hospitality industry will still be impacted similar to last summer.

Sooner the cabinet realised this the better, absolutely baffling stuff from McEntee.

They will probably do their best not to publish numbers.
Too easily compared to the rest of Europe.

Harry Palmr

Fergal Bowers has tweeted about how the roll-out is the real test for the HSE in 2021 and that the public will be watching like a hawk.

hmmm

hynesie08 wrote: »

What do you want them to say? There are plans in place to vaccinate 500000 people a week if we can get that many doses, we just have to wait for the paperwork.

"The vaccination program is a national priority. Every member of cabinet is committed to ensuring this is completed in the shortest possible timescale, and we will provide every resource and support to make it happen."

That's all you want to hear from the leadership of the country. I'm not expecting anyone except the Health Minister to be able to dive into the minutiae of supply or distribution. If you were running a business and your senior managers were showing such a lack of ambition, it wouldn't be particularly inspiring.

AdamD

The monetary cost of any delays in vaccinations alone should ensure that the HSE get absolutely anything they ask for when it comes to the rollout. I genuinely think it would be cheaper to launch resources at it and ask questions later. Bit meaningless right now when the the number of vaccines available are quite low but when they ramp up there is no excuse whatsoever.

Psychedelic Hedgehog

Seems the UK government are messing with the duration between the first and second doses, against manufacturer's advice.

I think I'd prefer our plan TBH.

https://twitter.com/farrell_katrina/status/1344610377565405184?s=20

firemansam4

hynesie08 wrote: »

What do you want them to say? There are plans in place to vaccinate 500000 people a week if we can get that many doses, we just have to wait for the paperwork.

What would happen if they started announcing the rollout of moderna, and it didn't get EU approval? Never work in maybes.

Before someone says it, yes we could organise our own deal, but does any manufacturer have 5 million spare vaccines lying around?

But the statement is already admitting defeat that the vaccination program will not be complete in 2021.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that they make a statement they will complete it for sure.
Hmmm is right, it's like they are setting a presedent for failure already when there was no need to say anything at all about it yet.

It will not install anyone with confidence coming from a very high up government minister.

AdamD

firemansam4 wrote: »

But the statement is already admitting defeat that the vaccination program will not be complete in 2021.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that they make a statement they will complete it for sure.
But Hmmm is right, it's like they are setting a presedent for failure already when there was no need to say anything at all about it yet.

It will not install anyone with confidence coming from a very high up government minister.

Also doesn't exactly inspire people to adhere to restrictions when they're saying we won't even have you vaccinated in the next 12 months. If people thought that was the timeline could they handle it? Not sure I could

iamwhoiam

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Fergal Bowers has tweeted about how the roll-out is the real test for the HSE in 2021 and that the public will be watching like a hawk.

If the HSE fcuk this up then I can see massive protest and a huge backlash
People are sick to death of the inefficiency of the top layer of the HSE

fred funk }{

ginoginelli wrote: »

Absolutely. And if the hse cant do it the job it should be outsourced. No expense should be spared, pull people from other departments if they have to, involve the defence forces. Whatever it costs will be more than worth it in what will be saved in lives and livelihoods.

This should be a 7 day week round the clock job until its finished. If Israel can do it so can we.

100%.

It's driving me nuts the lack of urgency from the government.

Sweet.Science

iamwhoiam wrote: »

If the HSE fcuk this up then I can see massive protest and a huge backlash
People are sick to death of the inefficiency of the top layer of the HSE

No chance . A lot of people would live like this forever

iamwhoiam

Sweet.Science wrote: »

No chance . A lot of people would live like this forever

No they wouldnt .

BrianD3

As the Deputy British CMO was at pains to stress at last night's press conference, the limiting factor in vaccine rollout needs to be supply, not logistics/resources on the part of the British authorities.

We need our vaccinators sitting around with nothing to do because they've rolled out the vaccine so efficiently that Pfizer and the others can't keep up. The fear is that, knowing the HSE's form it will be very much the opposite scenario.

I've a pain in my arse reading the sneering about other countries' vaccine rollout in this forum (in particular Britain but others too) Posters were clearly delighted that there were allergic reactions in Britain and problems with overdosing and cold chain in Germany.

A peculiar little country this. Bailed out by the EU during the financial crisis. Economy heavily dependent on US multinationals meaning we sh*t ourselves if there is any hint of a change in US policy. Token military. Reliant on the Royal Air Force to take action if Jihadis decide to fly a jet into Croke Park on All Ireland final day. We are different to most other European countries (and Israel) in that we don't have a history of invading/colonising and fighting with other countries. If we fail with this vaccine rollout, having an "it'll be grand" mentality rather than a "war" mentality will likely be a factor.

As an aside if we had to fund the equivalent of the UK's 40 billion p.a. defence spending, we might have had some more difficult economic vs public health decisions to make here and be in no position to sneer at the British Covid response.

is_that_so

fred funk }{ wrote: »

100%.

It's driving me nuts the lack of urgency from the government.

You can't be terribly urgent when all you have is 9,700 vaccine doses. It all really kicks off on Monday at your local nursing home.

Stheno

is_that_so wrote: »

You can't be terribly urgent when all you have is 9,700 vaccine doses. It all really kicks off on Monday at your local nursing home.

We got another 30k Tuesday iirc

namloc1980

Psychedelic Hedgehog wrote: »

Seems the UK government are messing with the duration between the first and second doses, against manufacturer's advice.

I think I'd prefer our plan TBH.

https://twitter.com/farrell_katrina/status/1344610377565405184?s=20

Definitely a case of the Brits are at it again. I hope we stick by the manufacturers advice and what the basis of the authorisation is rather than going off on a solo run.

is_that_so

Stheno wrote: »

We got another 30k Tuesday iirc

Yep but that's for the care homes. Think Reid said we'll get another 30K batch next Tuesday or Wednesday.

lbj666

iamwhoiam wrote: »

If the HSE fcuk this up then I can see massive protest and a huge backlash
People are sick to death of the inefficiency of the top layer of the HSE

It's not just HSE they shouldn't be singled out, it's an unprecedented programme that's daunting for any health service, the bigger failing would be Government not seeing to do everything to overcome the limitations inefficiencies of the HSE

hmmm

namloc1980 wrote: »

Definitely a case of the Brits are at it again. I hope we stick by the manufacturers advice and what the basis of the authorisation is rather than going off on a solo run.

I'm not sure this is going to age well. Let's see where our hospitals are at in 30 days and we might be changing our minds.

namloc1980

is_that_so wrote: »

Yep but that's for the care homes. Think Reid said we'll get another 30K batch next Tuesday or Wednesday.

Wasn't it meant to be 40k a week after the initial 10k batch that came in?

Stheno

namloc1980 wrote: »

Wasn't it meant to be 40k a week after the initial 10k batch that came in?

Its 40k from next week

Happydays2020

harr wrote: »

Government setting themselves up to fail the vaccine rollout, not the biggest country in the world surely 12 months would be a timeframe any national Health service could get everyone vaccinated.
They should be looking at 7-8 month plan to do it ..
The talk yesterday of a “ soft roll out “ for care homes shows they have no confidence in themselves to implement this.

I see Governments falling if they don’t get this right.

namloc1980

hmmm wrote: »

I'm not sure this is going to age well. Let's see where our hospitals are at in 30 days and we might be changing our minds.

We won't have a whole pile of vaccine in 30 days. Deviating from the manufacturers advice and the EMA authorisation isn't a decision to be taken lightly.

is_that_so

lbj666 wrote: »

It's not just HSE they shouldn't be singled out, it's an unprecedented programme that's daunting for any health service, the bigger failing would be Government not seeing to do everything to overcome the limitations inefficiencies of the HSE

They've already nailed their colours to the mast on care homes - mid February and the first two groups are in very controlled environments. It's only when we get to the over 70s that we first see very big numbers to vaccinate. That should be February into March.

is_that_so

namloc1980 wrote: »

Wasn't it meant to be 40k a week after the initial 10k batch that came in?

That's what they are hoping for, so we have 40K delivered for this week.

SusanC10

Apologies if this has already come up, but I just read that Helen McEntee saying that everyone won't be vaccinated in 2021. I read earlier this week that MM said that everyone who wants to be will be vaccinated in August/September.

What has changed?