All Ireland Senior Football Championship Final 2020 Mayo v Dublin MOD NOTE POST #1

Dyr

blanch152 wrote: »

2-10 from Dublin I think, the margin of victory much greater on that basis. Mayo got a number of soft frees.

I think Mayo scored 6 point from play today, Mayo survive off frees, hence the Abbey acting in front of the posts

Bambi

Bambi wrote: »

I think Mayo scored 6 point from play today, Mayo survive off frees, hence the Abbey acting in front of the posts

Examples? Because I do have a memory of John Small and Niall Scully rolling around like they were shot

Smacruairi

Bambi wrote: »

I think Mayo scored 6 point from play today, Mayo survive off frees, hence the Abbey acting in front of the posts

Agreed, clear strategy to just get it to aido to fall down

ctrl-alt-delete

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What were the soft frees you referred to? Maybe when fitzsimmons shouldered keegen straight into the chest

No, sure that wasn't given as a free.

blanch152

Deleted User wrote: »

Examples? Because I do have a memory of John Small and Niall Scully rolling around like they were shot

Any free awarded for a foul on an O’Connor or O’Shea generally involved a dive.

kilns

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Frees not being worth as much of course. Examples?

The point being Dublin were happy to concede frees now and again, as Mayo carried zero threat in play you can't win an All Ireland relying on winning frees in the scoring zone.

blanch152

blanch152 wrote: »

Any free awarded for a foul on an O’Connor or O’Shea generally involved a dive.

Tell me the time point in the match and I will take a look. Because Scully and Small were definitely diving like it was the Bernabeu

tobefrank321

The shoulder charge into the chest of a prone Lee Keegan was an incredibly nasty challenge and could have badly injured him.

kilns

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Tell me the time point in the match and I will take a look. Because Scully and Small were definitely diving like it was the Bernabeu

To be fair both teams do it you can't claim Scully and Small were the only ones when others on the other side were doing it too

Hulk Hands

awaywithyou wrote: »

dublin would have destroyed kerry today

Dublin were pathetic today by their usual standard. Beaten up a stick at midfield. Aimless ball into the forwards. Are you actually trying to maintain Dublin were as motivated today as they were last August.

Compare today to the intensity of the drawn game last year. What's conveniently ignored in this "only mayo can put it up to Dublin narrative' is that Kerry went into every season about 4/1 for the AI and Mayo were 12s. Mayo were rank outsiders against Kerry every time they played them. Next season, once again Kerry (league champions) will be seen as credible contenders. The Mayo bluster will be a 16/1 afterthought

kilns

kilns wrote: »

The point being Dublin were happy to concede frees now and again, as Mayo carried zero threat in play you can't win an All Ireland relying on winning frees in the scoring zone.

Both teams kicked 5 frees. The goals and the experience to slow down the game for the first 10 minutes of the second half were the difference.

Speakerboxx

The magnificent 7 next year surely for Dublin.

kilns

kilns wrote: »

To be fair both teams do it you can't claim Scully and Small were the only ones when others on the other side were doing it too

Examples?

Smacruairi

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Both teams kicked 5 frees. The goals and the experience to slow down the game for the first 10 minutes of the second half were the difference.

Yup, goals generally win matches alright, and being fitter and better in general.

blanch152

Deleted User wrote: »

Examples? Because I do have a memory of John Small and Niall Scully rolling around like they were shot

Is that when Small got caught around the neck and in the face by the Mayo sub who got away with it?

kilns

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Examples?

Oh come on we are not going get into examples. Dublin and Mayo players both made the most of tackles today even the most loyal supporters can admit that

Smacruairi

blanch152 wrote: »

Is that when Small got caught around the neck and in the face by the Mayo sub who got away with it?

Or Philly getting digs in the head at half time tunnel, but sure

Smacruairi

Smacruairi wrote: »

Yup, goals generally win matches alright, and being fitter and better in general.

What I can’t understand is despite being clearly the best team of the past 30 years and probably of all time, there is still a need from some to denigrate anything the opposition achieved in having the temerity to try to put it up to them for a time before ultimately not being good enough. Is winning not enough? Must there also be an excuse for not winning by 12 points?

Smacruairi

Nah we are happy with the win. Delighted. Hard luck Mayo, curse almost over.

kilns

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Both teams kicked 5 frees. The goals and the experience to slow down the game for the first 10 minutes of the second half were the difference.

Mayo converted 8 frees

blanch152

blanch152 wrote: »

Is that when Small got caught around the neck and in the face by the Mayo sub who got away with it?

There was two. When Carr caught him he was holding his nose before contact around the shoulders as he knew it was coming. It was a foul. And it was a dive

blanch152

Deleted User wrote: »

Both teams kicked 5 frees. The goals and the experience to slow down the game for the first 10 minutes of the second half were the difference.

No, Dublin had 4 frees, Mayo had 5 plus 3 marks, so the margin from play was much greater.

To be fair, Dublin are so good that the team to beat them will dive, cheat and have a large dollop of luck to do so. What annoys us Dubs about Mayo is that in the O’Connor brothers and O’Shea, Mayo have the tools for the diving and cheating, therefore giving them a chance.

kilns

kilns wrote: »

Mayo converted 8 frees

5. There were 3 marks. Scores created from play

Strumms

Smacruairi wrote: »

Or Philly getting digs in the head at half time tunnel, but sure

From behind too. Thought Mayo might be preparing for the backdoor next year the way they came up from the rear and blindsided him... classy again. If a Dublin player tried that it would have its own thread.

blanch152

blanch152 wrote: »

No, Dublin had 4 frees, Mayo had 5 plus 3 marks, so the margin from play was much greater.

To be fair, Dublin are so good that the team to beat them will dive, cheat and have a large dollop of luck to do so. What annoys us Dubs about Mayo is that in the O’Connor brothers and O’Shea, Mayo have the tools for the diving and cheating, therefore giving them a chance.

Are marks not scores created from play?

And again, no one has given an an example of a free for Mayo as a result of diving.

Ye are the best team in the country, by far. Can no one come within 12 points of ye by having a reasonable performance and only do so through foul means?

kilns

[Deleted User] wrote: »

5. There were 3 marks. Scores created from play

The point being they were chances converted under no pressure. Mayo carried no real attacking threat to Dublin, it's some thing they need to work on if they want to worry Dublin. If being honest OShea and Cillian OConnor while they can dominant against weaker teams they are just too slow to worry a defence like Dublins

blanch152

blanch152 wrote: »

No, Dublin had 4 frees, Mayo had 5 plus 3 marks, so the margin from play was much greater.

To be fair, Dublin are so good that the team to beat them will dive, cheat and have a large dollop of luck to do so. What annoys us Dubs about Mayo is that in the O’Connor brothers and O’Shea, Mayo have the tools for the diving and cheating, therefore giving them a chance.

5. Four from Rock and one from mannion. A mark is not a free, it’s a scoring opportunity created from play. And they are all scores

kilns

kilns wrote: »

The point being they were chances converted under no pressure. Mayo carried no real attacking threat to Dublin, it's some thing they need to work on if they want to worry Dublin. If being honest OShea and Cillian OConnor while they can dominant against weaker teams they are just too slow to worry a defence like Dublins

Was the ball not won under pressure to create the mark? Con O Callaghan and Cillian O Connor were joint highest scorers from play today

blanch152

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Are marks not scores created from play?

And again, no one has given an an example of a free for Mayo as a result of diving.

Ye are the best team in the country, by far. Can no one come within 12 points of ye by having a reasonable performance and only do so through foul means?

At the moment, yes, it takes foul means to beat Dublin. Mayo are the best at it, but don’t offer enough elsewhere. Dublin were by far the better team today.

Smacruairi

How many times did Mayo drop the ball into Cluxton for easy enough catches. They need to work on their long range kicking to close the gap. They can get there if they do that