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All Ireland Senior Football Championship Final 2020 Mayo v Dublin MOD NOTE POST #1

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    #812
    kilns
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Was the ball not won under pressure to create the mark? Con O Callaghan and Cillian O Connor were joint highest scorers from play today

    Its one thing winning a ball under pressure it's another then with that possession scoring

    I am sure you can admit Mayo struggled going forward? It's not a dig it's a criticism and something that needs improving the reliance on OShea and OConnor needs to end for them to push on


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    #813
    blanch152
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Was the ball not won under pressure to create the mark? Con O Callaghan and Cillian O Connor were joint highest scorers from play today

    Frees are won under pressure too, but like marks, they are not scores from play.


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    #814
    C__MC
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    Mayo wilted badly in the 15


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    #815
    kilns
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Was the ball not won under pressure to create the mark? Con O Callaghan and Cillian O Connor were joint highest scorers from play today

    Cillian OConnor scored 2 points from play


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    #816
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    blanch152 wrote: »
    At the moment, yes, it takes foul means to beat Dublin. Mayo are the best at it, but don’t offer enough elsewhere. Dublin were by far the better team today.

    None must be the answer to my question then.

    Mayo over performed on their current development cycle and Dublin under performed. That does not mean foul means were at play in keeping it close for 60 minutes


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    #817
    C__MC
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    In no way does o Connor carry the same threat as con or the top forwards


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    #818
    Dyr
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Are marks not scores created from play?

    And again, no one has given an an example of a free for Mayo as a result of diving.

    Ye are the best team in the country, by far. Can no one come within 12 points of ye by having a reasonable performance and only do so through foul means?


    Are frees not scores created from play also then? Both dead balls.

    Lack of scoring ability with current Mayo squad, they do what they have to in order to compensate


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    #819
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    kilns wrote: »
    Cillian OConnor scored 2 points from play

    Only 5 frees listed in any report I have seen. Winning difficult ball in front of your man after good creative play is a score from play.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40193994.html
    https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1219/1185446-composed-dublin-surge-past-mayo-to-win-six-in-a-row/
    https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-tie-a-bow-around-it-as-they-complete-the-six-in-a-row-1.4441926?mode=amp


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    #820
    Smacruairi
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    Nah a score from play is when the game is on, not when the game is stopped for a free or a mark. Doesn't matter anyway.


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    #821
    kilns
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Only 5 frees listed in any report I have seen. Winning difficult ball in front of your man after good creative play is a score from play.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40193994.html
    https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1219/1185446-composed-dublin-surge-past-mayo-to-win-six-in-a-row/
    https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-tie-a-bow-around-it-as-they-complete-the-six-in-a-row-1.4441926?mode=amp

    You can't count 2 marks as scores from play, really????


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    #822
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    C__MC wrote: »
    In no way does o Connor carry the same threat as con or the top forwards

    Who does carry the threat of Con? O’Connors scoring record matches anyone. It’s like some just don’t want to celebrate their win and their great team. They also want to denigrate anyone else who deigns to put up any sort of challenge


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    #823
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    kilns wrote: »
    You can't count 2 marks as scores from play, really????

    Why not?


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    #824
    blanch152
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    kilns wrote: »
    Cillian OConnor scored 2 points from play

    That means Rock, O’Callaghan and Kilkenny all scored more from play.

    9 players scored from Dublin, 6 from Mayo.

    Those two facts are the difference. Add to that, Aidan O’Shea finished without a score in another All-Ireland final. Ditto Diarmuid O’Connor who only had negativity to offer.

    Still, the Mayo pipeline looks good. Get rid of a few more who are used to losing All-Ireland finals and replace with young lads and things might get better.


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    #825
    kilns
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Why not?

    Oh come on you know that answer, this is silly


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    #826
    blanch152
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Who does carry the threat of Con? O’Connors scoring record matches anyone. It’s like some just don’t want to celebrate those win and their great team. They also want to denigrate anyone else who deigns to put up any sort of challenge

    O’Connor scores frees, but not to the level of Dean Rock. He scores from play, but not against important teams in important matches unlike the likes of Kilkenny, Mannion and O’Callaghan, not to mention Brogan, Connolly and McMenamin.

    The likes of Clifford are also streets ahead off him. In the Dublin team, he would be a squad member, only getting a game if Rock and Costello were injured and/or off-form. Just not good enough is my verdict on him.


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    #827
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    kilns wrote: »
    Oh come on you know that answer, this is silly

    Look at all 3 Mayo scores from marks and tell me they were not a result of good, creative play.

    But ultimately what is going on here is a need that some seem to have to rubbish anyone who rubbish any effort to challenge Dublin. COC got two great scores from play.Won two great marks to get two more, kicked 5 of 6 frees. An excellent performance, yet there is a bizarre reluctance to admit anyone else can play well, and then to rubbish anyone who suggests they may have played well.

    Dublin are a great team, far superior to Mayo. Other players can play well though


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    #828
    kilns
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Look at all 3 Mayo scores from marks and tell me they were not a result of good, creative play.

    But ultimately what is going on here is a need that some seem to have to rubbish anyone who rubbish any effort to challenge Dublin. COC got two great scores from play.Won two great marks to get two more, kicked 5 of 6 frees. An excellent performance, yet there is a bizarre reluctance to admit anyone else can play well, and then to rubbish anyone who suggests they may have played well.

    Dublin are a great team, far superior to Mayo. Other players can play well though

    You really need to take your red and green glasses off. I don't think anyone in Gaelic Football would call converting a mark a score from play. End of discussion. This is silly


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    #829
    lawred2
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    The mark needs to go

    As does palming the ball into the net from a handpass

    I hate that


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    #830
    Smacruairi
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Look at all 3 Mayo scores from marks and tell me they were not a result of good, creative play.

    But ultimately what is going on here is a need that some seem to have to rubbish anyone who rubbish any effort to challenge Dublin.

    Dublin are a great team, far superior to Mayo. Other players can play well though

    Don't think anyone from Dublin is rubbishing anything other than anyone who denies the fact that they were by far the better team on the day, though Mayo had a good first half
    That good first half still saw them trailing going into the break.


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    #831
    DVDM93
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    Cluxton is a class act, interview here on TSG.


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    #832
    WesternZulu
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    lawred2 wrote: »
    The mark needs to go

    As does palming the ball into the net from a handpass

    I hate that

    Add fisting the ball over the bar to that list too.


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    #833
    C__MC
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    DVDM93 wrote: »
    Cluxton is a class act, interview here on TSG.

    The most influential GAA player ever


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    #834
    Spudmonkey
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    blanch152 wrote: »
    O’Connor scores frees, but not to the level of Dean Rock. He scores from play, but not against important teams in important matches unlike the likes of Kilkenny, Mannion and O’Callaghan, not to mention Brogan, Connolly and McMenamin.

    The likes of Clifford are also streets ahead off him. In the Dublin team, he would be a squad member, only getting a game if Rock and Costello were injured and/or off-form. Just not good enough is my verdict on him.

    Which arguably says a lot. The marquee forward, main man of the Mayo team, the second best team in the country this year wouldn't even make the first team in Dublin. Pretty fair point.


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    #835
    threeball
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    lawred2 wrote: »
    The mark needs to go

    As does palming the ball into the net from a handpass

    I hate that

    It can take the fisted point with it. A blight on the game.


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    Spudmonkey wrote: »
    Which arguably says a lot. The marquee forward, main man of the Mayo team, the second best team in the country this year wouldn't even make the first team in Dublin. Pretty fair point.

    Dublin must have played absolutely ****e to only win by 5 points and concede 15 against a team without a forward who could get near their team


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    #837
    kilns
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Dublin must have played absolutely ****e to only win by 5 points and concede 15 against a team without a forward who could get near their team

    To be fair COC would not get in a starting Dublin 15 but as shown before Mayo are more than the sum of their parts and that's reason they can compete for all irelands


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    #838
    Spudmonkey
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Dublin must have played absolutely ****e to only win by 5 points and concede 15 against a team without a forward who could get near their team

    Well they certainly didn't play great. First team didn't pull away from Mayo at all, only at the end when the subs came on and Mayo legs were tired.


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    kilns wrote: »
    To be fair COC would not get in a starting Dublin 15 but as shown before Mayo are more than the sum of their parts and that's reason they can compete for all irelands

    I my view he is a better all round player than Dean Rock while being a small bit inferior on frees. Scoring record in All Ireland Series matches is higher than his average against all team also, which is the highest of all time.

    Dublin can be the greatest team of all time, while good players play on other teams


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    #840
    kilns
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I my view he is a better all round player than Dean Rock while being a small bit inferior on frees. Scoring record in All Ireland Series matches is higher than his average against all team also, which is the highest of all time.

    Dublin can be the greatest team of all time, while good players play on other teams

    Nobody said there are not good players on other teams. david Clifford is probably the best forward in the game now. Keegan in his day was a serious player, Higgins too. I understand your loyalty to COC however but will have to agree to disagree as one has more composure than the other


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    #841
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    theguzman wrote: »
    Dublin have achieved nothing, was Lance Armstrong the greatest Cyclist of all time?

    The Dublin players have achieved everything they have on their ability and hard work. If they have logistical and financial advantages, it’s not down to the players who have faced every challenge posed to them and it’s up to others to catch up


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