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The UK COVID variant

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    #332
    SlowBlowin
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    The lockdown here has no teeth, look what the Aussies are doing forced quarantine in expensive police hotels just for interstate travel. At the same time, today Monday, a family I know with kids are traveling from Ireland to the UK for Christmas holidays, planning to return on a repatriation ferry in time for school. Australia has a tiny amount of Covid compared to Ireland.

    Its stupid to think that, without an Aussie style lockdown, the new strain will not be here and spreading in days.


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    #333
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,726 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    SlowBlowin wrote: »
    The lockdown here has no teeth, look what the Aussies are doing forced quarantine in expensive police hotels just for interstate travel. At the same time, today Monday, a family I know with kids are traveling from Ireland to the UK for Christmas holidays, planning to return on a repatriation ferry in time for school. Australia has a tiny amount of Covid compared to Ireland.

    Its stupid to think that, without an Aussie style lockdown, the new strain will not be here and spreading in days.

    The biggest mistake we made over the past few months is the lack of enforcement of quarantine. We had months to organise it. Would be fairly sure it's here already.


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    #334
    wirelessdude01
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    SlowBlowin wrote: »
    The lockdown here has no teeth, look what the Aussies are doing forced quarantine in expensive police hotels just for interstate travel. At the same time, today Monday, a family I know with kids are traveling from Ireland to the UK for Christmas holidays, planning to return on a repatriation ferry in time for school. Australia has a tiny amount of Covid compared to Ireland.

    Its stupid to think that, without an Aussie style lockdown, the new strain will not be here and spreading in days.

    Realistically, anyone who doesn't think it isn't already here is stupid.


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    #335
    IAMAMORON
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    I find it remarkably uncanny that this panic is coinciding with the breakdown in Brexit talks?


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    #336
    IAMAMORON
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    O'Neill wrote: »
    There was a huge rise of cases in Donegal/Derry in September and October in contrast to March. I wonder if this this could have been the new variant?

    Yeah because people are always hopping from Kent to Derry on a regular basis.:rolleyes:


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    #337
    caveat emptor
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    paddythere wrote: »
    The new strain is already in Ireland, lets be realistic. The real question is why haven't we identified it here yet? It seems implausible to me that it is "out of control" in the UK and present in other European countries but somehow it is not in Ireland

    Yeah Arlene seems to think it's in the North. She mentioned there were 'different geneology' but they are not confirmed. I can't help but think that she would say this so as to not have to implement travel restrictions themselves. No surrender etc. We are going to get punished for their **** decision making. We'll get lumped with them and be banned from travelling to anywhere because we have a border that is not a border. Complete failure on both sides of the imaginary fvcking line.

    I thought travel restrictions don't work anyway? Suddenly now a year into this we've decided to suspend the common travel area.


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    #338
    hmmm
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    https://twitter.com/kakape/status/1341050330176479232


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    #339
    drunkmonkey
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    I've just had a thought, what do respiratory viruses love, what's different now than let's say June.


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    #340
    Lillyfae
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    hmmm wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/kakape/status/1341050330176479232

    Who is that person and where is he getting his information from?


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    #341
    hmmm
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    Lillyfae wrote: »
    Who is that person and where is he getting his information from?
    He is one of the main writers for Science magazine on the pandemic.

    Nervtag or one of the other UK acronyms have just finished a press briefing.


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    #342
    stephenjmcd
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    hmmm wrote: »
    He is one of the main writers for Science magazine on the pandemic.

    Nervtag or one of the other UK acronyms have just finished a press briefing.

    Theres an awful lot of road left to go in this yet. I still think the UK may have jumped the gun claiming 70% more effective in terms of spread, there just isn't enough evidence yet.

    There is also the suggestion now that a deletion in ORF8 may cause a better immune response against the strain


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    #343
    volchitsa
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    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    Yeah because people are always hopping from Kent to Derry on a regular basis.:rolleyes:

    It’s not just Kent though it’s London and the southeast. lots of people in Derry have family in London.


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    #344
    Monkeynut
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    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    I've just had a thought, what do respiratory viruses love, what's different now than let's say June.
    Christmas shopping. Then Christmas drinks and food with all the cousins, aunts and nieces.


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    #345
    SlowBlowin
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    volchitsa wrote: »
    It’s not just Kent though it’s London and the southeast. lots of people in Derry have family in London.

    As I said earlier a friend of mine has taken his family from Kerry to London area (T4) TODAY. No issues at all travelling to the UK even now and coming back on the ferry.


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    #346
    ixoy
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    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    I find it remarkably uncanny that this panic is coinciding with the breakdown in Brexit talks?
    Well if that were the case, someone should tell BJ given he's pressing ahead and not looking for an extension.


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    #347
    embraer170
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    SlowBlowin wrote: »
    As I said earlier a friend of mine has taken his family from Kerry to London area (T4) TODAY. No issues at all travelling to the UK even now and coming back on the ferry.

    You neighbour might well face some issues by the time he returns.


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    #348
    speckle
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    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Theres an awful lot of road left to go in this yet. I still think the UK may have jumped the gun claiming 70% more effective in terms of spread, there just isn't enough evidence yet.

    There is also the suggestion now that a deletion in ORF8 may cause a better immune response against the strain

    Here is the research refered to from the twit thread re orf8 for those interested

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0168170220308170


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    #349
    SlowBlowin
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    embraer170 wrote: »
    You neighbour might well face some issues by the time he returns.

    I agree, then I see they are putting on extra services UK - Ireland to help people get home. If you go on the Irish ferries website you can book a return now, I just tried coming back on Jan 4th, no issues booking.


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    #350
    stephenjmcd
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    De Gascun - "we haven’t seen the evidence for the transmission rate of the new strain."


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    #351
    whisky_galore
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    SlowBlowin wrote: »
    As I said earlier a friend of mine has taken his family from Kerry to London area (T4) TODAY. No issues at all travelling to the UK even now and coming back on the ferry.

    Some people really do need to have their heads examined.


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    #352
    IAMAMORON
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    ixoy wrote: »
    Well if that were the case, someone should tell BJ given he's pressing ahead and not looking for an extension.

    I don't know, but it is a huge coincidence.

    It suits the Irish Gubbermint also, it certainly is a nice blamehound for cancelling travel and from a media perspective it could not come quick enough PR wise. They can blame everything now on the "new strain", it is nice big schtick to waive around.

    I just hope Santa is able to deliver all the pressies now?


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    #353
    wirelessdude01
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    SlowBlowin wrote: »
    As I said earlier a friend of mine has taken his family from Kerry to London area (T4) TODAY. No issues at all travelling to the UK even now and coming back on the ferry.

    Clowns like these deserve to be stranded over there.


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    #354
    Hamsterchops
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    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    I find it remarkably uncanny that this panic is coinciding with the breakdown in Brexit talks?

    Remarkable "coincidence" alright :cool:

    Dirty tricks by the EU?

    Well I guess if one is into conspiracy theories then this might well be some people's new hobby horse. Remarkable coincidence for sure, but I guess it's nothing more than that.


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    #355
    Danzy
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    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    I don't know, but it is a huge coincidence.

    It suits the Irish Gubbermint also, it certainly is a nice blamehound for cancelling travel and from a media perspective it could not come quick enough PR wise. They can blame everything now on the "new strain", it is nice big schtick to waive around.

    I just hope Santa is able to deliver all the pressies now?

    The panic though has been driven by the British Govt. Johnson's approach over the last few days was a master class in accelating accelerating a sense of panic about this variant.

    They basically shi7 their pants on TV over it.

    That's not to say that all is well with this variant, if it's as virulent as England said, then a massive surge is coming.


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    #356
    wirelessdude01
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    Danzy wrote: »
    The panic though has been driven by the British Govt. Johnson's approach over the last few days was a master class in accelating accelerating a sense of panic about this variant.

    They basically shi7 their pants on TV over it.

    And his guff today that WTO terms are more than enough. Well then why bother with any talks ya pleb.


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    #357
    IAMAMORON
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    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    Remarkable "coincidence" alright :cool:

    Dirty tricks by the EU?

    Well I guess if one is into conspiracy theories then this might well be some people's new hobby horse. Remarkable coincidence for sure, but I guess it's nothing more than that.

    There are new strains of this virus being mutated by the hour.

    I am not a whacko, or a nutjob, I just find that from a PR perspective and how it fits with borh EU and Uk agendas it is highly convenient to have lockdown as opposed to a Brexit Shambles, it certainly has the headlines.

    By the time i have posted this post the virus will have mutated again.

    It also suits the domestic policies of all countries to lockdown over Christmas.

    Finally it is more common for viral mutations to weaken or diversify its 'traits. Magically this new strain is somehow worse? It's a bit of a perfect storm imo, it kind of reminds me of the Friday evening finger wagging that has been going on since March.


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    #358
    Hamsterchops
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    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    There are new strains of this virus being mutated by the hour.

    I am not a whacko, or a nutjob, I just find that from a PR perspective and how it fits with borh EU and Uk agendas it is highly convenient to have lockdown as opposed to a Brexit Shambles, it certainly has the headlines.

    By the time i have posted this post the virus will have mutated again.

    It also suits the domestic policies of all countries to lockdown over Christmas.

    Finally it is more common for viral mutations to weaken or diversify its 'traits. Magically this new strain is somehow worse? It's a bit of a perfect storm imo, it kind of reminds me of the Friday evening finger wagging that has been going on since March.

    Im not arguing with you, and I know what you mean, but it must be a coincidence, right?

    ...and I don't think you're a nutjob or a loon.

    Nothing would surprise me these days.


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    #359
    hmmm
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    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    Remarkable "coincidence" alright :cool:

    Dirty tricks by the EU?

    Well I guess if one is into conspiracy theories then this might well be some people's new hobby horse. Remarkable coincidence for sure, but I guess it's nothing more than that.
    The UK came out and said they were dealing with a "mutant" super-Covid that out-of-the-blue had plunged the country into a new Level 4 lockdown and forced Christmas to be cancelled. This on the back of a bit of modelling with "moderate" confidence.

    The only panic was from the UK. The rest of the world rightly said "we'll just take a time-out for a few days while you sort yourself out". Correct reaction, unfortunate for Ireland however as we are being lumped in with the incompetent UK handling of this entire pandemic.


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    #360
    stephenjmcd
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    Interesting from WHO, De Gascun this evening also not convinced nor Prof Nolan, no evidence given yet.
    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1341091171083444224?s=19


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    #361
    Danzy
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    Boris Johnson doesn't benefit from this variant. He probably is now damaged politically beyond repair, the man who killed Christmas for South East England. Massive damage to his party as well.

    That's before one even starts on the economic damage.

    It's real tin hat to think this was planned or that it benefits anyone, anywhere.


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