The UK COVID variant

bush

gmisk wrote: »

Where are you seeing that?
I don't see anyone predicting covid is going to turn into ebola...

I think he just made it up.

igCorcaigh

SeaFields wrote: »

48 hours restrictions. Seriously?? Have some fcuking balls and make a proper decision lads.

Only until they can meet and extend.

theguzman

bush wrote: »

I think he just made it up.

https://scitechdaily.com/its-evolving-coronavirus-genetic-mutation-may-have-made-covid-19-more-contagious/

igCorcaigh

bush wrote: »

I think he just made it up.

He's our new Paddy, just not as funny.

gmisk

theguzman wrote: »

https://scitechdaily.com/its-evolving-coronavirus-genetic-mutation-may-have-made-covid-19-more-contagious/

It's doesn't say anything in there about covid 19 mutating to become 90 percent fatal....can you paste it here?

All I can see is the below.
"The good news is that this mutation is rare and does not appear to make the disease more severe for infected patients. "

igCorcaigh

So, this variant has also been detected in Belgium, Netherlands and Denmark.
(Sky News)

I wonder how much of the big second wave in Europe is due to this?

stephenjmcd

igCorcaigh wrote: »

So, this variant has also been detected in Belgium, Netherlands and Denmark.
(Sky News)

As has been stated previously its not new to the UK and nowhere else has seen this 70% increase in transmission.

Personally I put it down to London and the South East being out of lockdown long before any other part of the UK, more people moving around, more in pubs etc. More information still required to be independently verified

theguzman

Deleted User wrote: »

All joking aside....the 3rd wave of the spanish flu was said to be, by far the deadlist

As this will be too, if as expected the new mutations (of which there are multiple) will see the new vaccines be ineffective against them then 2021 will see the world enter its darkest hour since the dark ages.

Mrs OBumble

GarIT wrote: »

The reason COVID-19 is dangerous is because it is highly contagious, not because of lethality. Some report said this strain could be up to 70% more contagious.

If it's highly contagious, how come there are so many situations where close contacts don't get it? I personally know of kids sharing bedroom with a sibling, adult bed-sharing couples, and a ice-cream sharing granny. In each one, a person got it, multiple others didn't.

JeffKenna

theguzman wrote: »

Scientists predict the next mutation will take the deathrate above 90%, we are facing the collapse of Civilisation if this occurs which now only a matter of weeks.

I'm glad I went out last night if civilisation is collapsing in a few weeks. Make the most of the time we've left.

SEPT 23 1989

theguzman wrote: »

As this will be too, if as expected the new mutations (of which there are multiple) will see the new vaccines be ineffective against them then 2021 will see the world enter its darkest hour since the dark ages.

A nice cheery ending

GarIT

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

If it's highly contagious, how come there are so many situations where close contacts don't get it? I personally know of kids sharing bedroom with a sibling, adult bed-sharing couples, and a ice-cream sharing granny. In each one, a person got it, multiple others didn't.

No idea why they didn't get it but other viruses are less contagious, they might not have gotten something else either.

theguzman

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

If it's highly contagious, how come there are so many situations where close contacts don't get it? I personally know of kids sharing bedroom with a sibling, adult bed-sharing couples, and a ice-cream sharing granny. In each one, a person got it, multiple others didn't.

I spent 3hrs sitting next to a Covid positive person last month on a plane, I never contracted it, I cannot explain why other than my own immune resistance due to having had the virus previously (untested) in March.

GarIT

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Jesus...really?

No

There are at least 3 vaccines targeting different aspects of the virus, in the worst case scenario you might need to take more than one of them. We can also make new variations of the vaccine quickly.

Necro

theguzman wrote: »

As this will be too, if as expected the new mutations (of which there are multiple) will see the new vaccines be ineffective against them then 2021 will see the world enter its darkest hour since the dark ages.

Mod:

Don't post in this thread again please seeing as you want to troll

Kermit.de.frog

Germany from midnight...


https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1340693704621907969

CrabRevolution

I'd be curious to see Michael Gove's take on this new variant, considering he was demanding that China pay the UK billions as a result of being the source of the original virus.

SortingYouOut

CrabRevolution wrote: »

I'd be curious to see Michael Gove's take on this new variant, considering he was demanding that China pay the UK billions as a result of being the source of the original virus.

Well the UK didn't cause the new variant, nature did.

cmac2009

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Germany from midnight...


https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1340693704621907969

For all these countries, are they banning inbound and outbound flights?

Kermit.de.frog

Appears to be both inbound and outbound. Netherlands, Italy and Belgium are both.

However, it appears the continent will be acting together soon


https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/1340679106384588800

CrabRevolution

SortingYouOut wrote: »

Well the UK didn't cause the new variant, nature did.

The same could be said of China.

TheValeyard

SortingYouOut wrote: »

Well the UK didn't cause the new variant, nature did.

I'm telling ya now, Daily Mail or the Express will find a way to blame it on immigrants or the EU

SortingYouOut

CrabRevolution wrote: »

The same could be said of China.

Well not really. Nature did it's thing but the conditions for it to happen were allowed happen because of China. Plus the cover up at the beginning which delayed the global response. Can't be compared to the UK now. It could have happened anywhere.

Necro

TheValeyard wrote: »

I'm telling ya now, Daily Mail or the Express will find a way to blame it on immigrants or the EU

Aye, the usual rhetoric from those two rags will spin it that way, absolutely no doubt about it.

faceman

theguzman wrote: »

As this will be too, if as expected the new mutations (of which there are multiple) will see the new vaccines be ineffective against them then 2021 will see the world enter its darkest hour since the dark ages.

Jaysus is this the Daily Mail?

For many viruses that mutate and become more contagious, they become less severe as a result

Of course the media or government won’t share that because it goes against the narrative

Get Real

Is the new variant technically covid-20. A new strain of same virus, discovered in year 2020? Or am I wrong on that?

ancapailldorcha

CrabRevolution wrote: »

I'd be curious to see Michael Gove's take on this new variant, considering he was demanding that China pay the UK billions as a result of being the source of the original virus.

Thanks to Michael Gove and others like him, the UK is about to become little more than a petty nuisance to the Chinese.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Get Real wrote: »

Is the new variant technically covid-20. A new strain of same virus, discovered in year 2020? Or am I wrong on that?

It needs to be sufficiently distinct to get a new name. I believe this is more a mutation which is less distinct.

faceman

Get Real wrote: »

Is the new variant technically covid-20. A new strain of same virus, discovered in year 2020? Or am I wrong on that?

The virus has evolved numerous times since March. Most of the time it’s an insignificant impact

SEPT 23 1989

Just watched the BBC news there

They are in terrible trouble

schmoo2k

j4vier wrote: »

What's interesting is that the Irish government always acts after everyone else has acted.

They shouldn't have to wait to see Europe's response to decide what is best to do to protect Ireland

I thought our pre Christmas lockdown was ahead of the rest of the EU?

faceman

Hmmmm. Something is amiss in the UK with this supposed new strain. See the linked study below

No evidence for increased transmissibility from recurrent mutations in SARS-CoV-2

gmisk

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Just watched the BBC news there

They are in terrible trouble

The BBC? Or the UKs coronavirus response....both probably true...

Blondini

Only a matter of time before .... actually scrap that, it's probably already here.

johnboy1298

Sure just give everyone who travels a substantial meal and tell them to get there before 10pm. Everyone knows thats how you stop the virus, cancelling travel now is about 9 months late anyway :rolleyes:

Darc19

I see sinn fein don't want any flights banned and think we should trust everyone to isolate and answer contact tracing.

How fucin STUPID can you get. No wonder northern Ireland is riddled when you have this type of thinking.

Thank God those fucwits are not in power here.

Calypso Realm

j4vier wrote: »

What's interesting is that the Irish government always acts after everyone else has acted.

They shouldn't have to wait to see Europe's response to decide what is best to do to protect Ireland

Not strictly true. For instance, Ireland locked down earlier than UK, enabling it have a much better handle on things. In contrast UK waited far too long, despite soaring numbers, adopting instead a (rather ridiculous) 'herd' immunity' policy, which only resulted in an alarming number of deaths.

amacca

Is there any verified/trustworthy data available on the new strain?

schmoo2k

amacca wrote: »

Is there any verified/trustworthy data available on the new strain?

Dr. John Campbell Summary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MINIibH2Iaw

DaSilva

Here is the best actual information I can find on it:

https://virological.org/t/preliminary-genomic-characterisation-of-an-emergent-sars-cov-2-lineage-in-the-uk-defined-by-a-novel-set-of-spike-mutations/563

https://khub.net/documents/135939561/338928724/SARS-CoV-2+variant+under+investigation%2C+meeting+minutes.pdf/962e866b-161f-2fd5-1030-32b6ab467896

Harry Palmr

I wish gubberment leaders would stop sounding so wishy washy and circumspect. Ryan had to be cajoled
by the newsreader just then!

Kermit.de.frog

France going a step further

https://twitter.com/AIMAberdeen/status/1340735710677135365

Inquitus

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

France going a step further

https://twitter.com/AIMAberdeen/status/1340735710677135365

That's going to create one helluva mess even if just for 48 hours.

Kermit.de.frog

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

France going a step further

https://twitter.com/AIMAberdeen/status/1340735710677135365

Looks like brexit is happening earlier than expected.

The HorsesMouth

Anyone else think this has back fired completely on UK? Maybe they thought this strain was a good excuse to lockdown harder without having to justify why. They probably never thought all these restrictions would actually happen. Just a thought..

DaSilva

DaSilva wrote: »

Here is the best actual information I can find on it:

https://virological.org/t/preliminary-genomic-characterisation-of-an-emergent-sars-cov-2-lineage-in-the-uk-defined-by-a-novel-set-of-spike-mutations/563

https://khub.net/documents/135939561/338928724/SARS-CoV-2+variant+under+investigation%2C+meeting+minutes.pdf/962e866b-161f-2fd5-1030-32b6ab467896

Potential to raise the Ro number by 0.4 to 0.93 even in locked down communities with higher viral loads on top


Some evidence of re-infection aswell



A fair sting in tail to 2020,hopefully we can begin vaccinations before xmas now

patsman07

It's hard to see how this hasn't spread to ourselves and to mainland Europe already. Unfortunately, I would put money on a nationwide level 5 lockdown in January due to the increased infectiousness of this strain. Relatively, we were doing well. It's such a pity.

Harpon

patsman07 wrote: »

It's hard to see how this hasn't spread to ourselves and to mainland Europe already. Unfortunately, I would put money on a nationwide level 5 lockdown in January due to the increased infectiousness of this strain. Relatively, we were doing well. It's such a pity.

Our cases have doubled in the last week, it’s definitely here. Zero point in having level 5 lockdown again as it didn’t work last time, need to do something different this time.

NIMAN

Unless its a proper level 5, like back in March.

Schools, construction, all unnecessary retail closed.

Might work?

Time to bulk buy the bog roll?

GarIT

Harpon wrote: »

Our cases have doubled in the last week, it’s definitely here. Zero point in having level 5 lockdown again as it didn’t work last time, need to do something different this time.

It did work. Yes we could be stricter in future.