Christmas Racing: Leopardstown, Kempton, Chepstow

Rabbit Redux

Clique wrote: »

That main presenter on RTE is absolutely awful. Seems clueless at times.

He should stick to the rugby.

IAMAMORON

Clique wrote: »

That main presenter on RTE is absolutely awful. Seems clueless at times.

They should let Sally Ann anchor, she is the best of the lot of them.

Coneygree

Hugh Cahill is like a lad who googled his way through every situation in life and somehow managed to click the right link every time.

Justin10

Coneygree wrote: »

Hugh Cahill is like a lad who googled his way through every situation in life and somehow managed to click the right link every time.

In fairness to him, I'd say its a tough job to get your train of thought, control the two lads and stop Jane from controlling the narrative or from talking about whatever she wants to talk about.

Coneygree

Might have seen the Ballymore winner there in Newbury now that Appreciate It seems Supreme bound.

Gavin "shels"

Gavin shels wrote: »

Big fan of Concertista but evens looks short in the Mares. Will double up with Hollow Games.

Giddy up!

Pogue eile

Rochey18 wrote: »

In fairness to him, I'd say its a tough job to get your train of thought, control the two lads and stop Jane from controlling the narrative or from talking about whatever she wants to talk about.

Very harsh on Jane Mangan there, having spent the week watching a combination of ITV, RTE, SKY Racing and Racing UK she is head and shoulders above anyone else out there.

IAMAMORON

Pogue eile wrote: »

Very harsh on Jane Mangan there, having spent the week watching a combination of ITV, RTE, SKY Racing and Racing UK she is head and shoulders above anyone else out there.

Agreed. Mangan is great. I thought Barry Geraghty was good also. Katie Walsh is great post race also, fair play.

Justin10

Pogue eile wrote: »

Very harsh on Jane Mangan there, having spent the week watching a combination of ITV, RTE, SKY Racing and Racing UK she is head and shoulders above anyone else out there.

Jane is top notch, but I find she seems to get frustrated with Ted and Davy, especially when they are having their chats and she then wants to go off on her own path.

For example the comparison of Envoi Allen and Monkfish was put to them and she scoffed at it, while Davey thought it was a fair comparison.

While the comparison was put to them I'd say more for the casual fan, to generate a bit of excitement going forward.

Covit

Ruby was the biggest pain on rte for the few days , I know it all attitude.
Poor Davy didn’t pronounce name of a horse correctly and he mocked him .
Until Davy sang Ruby’s praises about looking up to him he didn’t back off .
Ruby is definitely sexist when comes to Jane no interest in what she says , he’s jealous of everyone.

Anniepowaa

Covit wrote: »

Ruby was the biggest pain on rte for the few days , I know it all attitude.
Poor Davy didn’t pronounce name of a horse correctly and he mocked him .
Until Davy sang Ruby’s praises about looking up to him he didn’t back off .
Ruby is definitely sexist when comes to Jane no interest in what she says , he’s jealous of everyone.

Mangan knows **** all about racing and has to be heard on every topic and absolute nuisance to listen too, as for jealousy Walsh has won more than anyone so what in gods name would he be jealous of?

Sultan of Bling

Covit wrote:

Ruby was the biggest pain on rte for the few days , I know it all attitude. Poor Davy didn’t pronounce name of a horse correctly and he mocked him . Until Davy sang Ruby’s praises about looking up to him he didn’t back off . Ruby is definitely sexist when comes to Jane no interest in what she says , he’s jealous of everyone.

Anniepowaa wrote:

Mangan knows **** all about racing and has to be heard on every topic and absolute nuisance to listen too, as for jealousy Walsh has won more than anyone so what in gods name would he be jealous of?

Horses for courses really (pun intended!).

Personally, i like both of them.

Far better than the itv crowd imo.

Joe_ Public

He always did it in his own no frills, quiet sort of way but Robert Hall was really the man who tied the whole rte coverage together and he's not easily replaced. It's still a decent production though. Davys analysis of the savills today was fascinating. Jane Mangan certainly knows her racing, fair play to her for flitting in among all those big egos and holding her own pretty impressively imho.

IAMAMORON

Covit wrote: »

Ruby was the biggest pain on rte for the few days , I know it all attitude.
Poor Davy didn’t pronounce name of a horse correctly and he mocked him .
Until Davy sang Ruby’s praises about looking up to him he didn’t back off .
Ruby is definitely sexist when comes to Jane no interest in what she says , he’s jealous of everyone.

In fairness to Ruby he is consistent at least.

The hooer has been a pain in the bolleex for years now. He has a reputation to uphold?

A lot of lads will be rude to birds if they want to ride them, treat them mean keep them keen. I would say Ruby fancies the hole off her, that is why he was ignoring her.

Ruby would be jealous of his shadow at this stage. He should stick to tipping losers for the bookies, like Mick Fitz does every day.

kksaints

I don't mind Hugh Cahill most of the time and he gave the IHRB a good grilling a few days ago but he does lack control of the panel and didn't seem keen to interrupt some of the very long debates between Ted/Ruby and Davy/Barry when it needed to be sped up to get to discussing the next race. You could sense Jane Mangan getting frustrated at times. She's very good and has great knowledge of the sport albeit she does tend to get a little bogged down at times with discussing sales and horse breeding. She's easy on the eye too which helps. Davy's breakdown of the Savilles Chase was fantastic and insightful. He's not the most media trained but he's definitely worth bringing on again in the future.

Pogue eile

kksaints wrote: »

I don't mind Hugh Cahill most of the time and he gave the IHRB a good grilling a few days ago but he does lack control of the panel and didn't seem keen to interrupt some of the very long debates between Ted/Ruby and Davy/Barry when it needed to be sped up to get to discussing the next race. You could sense Jane Mangan getting frustrated at times. She's very good and has great knowledge of the sport albeit she does tend to get a little bogged down at times with discussing sales and horse breeding. She's easy on the eye too which helps. Davy's breakdown of the Savilles Chase was fantastic and insightful. He's not the most media trained but he's definitely worth bringing on again in the future.

Was tipped off about it as I missed it at the time and have just watched it there now, absolute gold it was, proper racing brain and none of the BS or cliches that you get from most.

Joe_ Public

My only quibble with davy was the way he was a bit critical of patrick not taking a pull on melon earlier and then for not driving on before the second last. I thought patricks ride was totally beyond reproach personally but that's just a quibble. It was brilliant analysis, the kind you get very rarely if at all on any other channel.

Covit

Anniepowaa wrote: »

Mangan knows **** all about racing and has to be heard on every topic and absolute nuisance to listen too, as for jealousy Walsh has won more than anyone so what in gods name would he be jealous of?

He wants to be heard , he wants the rte slot for himself.
he didn’t want Davy Russell there he was livid in case he might take it from him . A nicer person u couldn’t find than Davy as genuine as u get .

RivetingRoger

Davy was very gracious about Patrick considering the bad blood between the 2. His analysis would make you willing to go again on Percy and Abacadabras as well!
As for that eejit above saying Jane Mangan knows nothing about racing...... Now, THAT is ironic

kksaints

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Davy was very gracious about Patrick considering the bad blood between the 2. His analysis would make you willing to go again on Percy and Abacadabras as well!
As for that eejit above saying Jane Mangan knows nothing about racing...... Now, THAT is ironic

What's this about?

Brock Turnpike

Ruby is a prick. Up his own hole. Extremely smarmy and disrespectful the other day when Davy was talking about coming back from his injury.

Davy's analysis was excellent for the Savills chase. Only minor gripe was him not knowing horses by name, but you'd forgive him that for the level of detail he went into analysing the race.

Dr. Bre

Don’t take a tip off Mick Fitz

ballyhagan

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Her and Monkfish look a nailed on double.
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Anniepowaa

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Davy was very gracious about Patrick considering the bad blood between the 2. His analysis would make you willing to go again on Percy and Abacadabras as well!
As for that eejit above saying Jane Mangan knows nothing about racing...... Now, THAT is ironic

Abacadabras

zpehtsfd

kksaints wrote: »

What's this about?

Russell didn't wait around on Samcro for the official result after the Marsh this year. Patrick went to congratulate him and he wasn't there. Made a damning comment about it in the paper.

Kauto

Joe_ Public wrote: »

My only quibble with davy was the way he was a bit critical of patrick not taking a pull on melon earlier and then for not driving on before the second last. I thought patricks ride was totally beyond reproach personally but that's just a quibble. It was brilliant analysis, the kind you get very rarely if at all on any other channel.

Patrick gave Melon an absolute shocker. Id be surprised if he didn't get a box in the face from Willie. He was the main cause of the Mullins camp not winning the race. Crazy ride.

Kauto

Jane Mangan is an absolute pain in the hole. Mute button when she is on RTE and same again when on RUK.
The only person worse on TV is Donn McClean.

Coneygree

kksaints wrote: »

What's this about?

Mullins' column after the Marsh between Samcro and Melon. Presumably this is it, I honestly didn't think/know they were sour with each other.

IAMAMORON

Fair play to Patrick for shooting from the hip anyways. He actually seems to have a talent for writing - which beats the rest of the ghost writing rubblsh that floods half the paper. It is nice to get some realism to read. Fair play.

Coneygree

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Fair play to Patrick for shooting from the hip anyways. He actually seems to have a talent for writing - which beats the rest of the ghost writing rubblsh that floods half the paper. It is nice to get some realism to read. Fair play.

Yeah, I know it's not their real job and only a top up to the wages but jockey's columns are often as dull as dishwater.

Joe_ Public

Kauto wrote: »

Patrick gave Melon an absolute shocker. Id be surprised if he didn't get a box in the face from Willie. He was the main cause of the Mullins camp not winning the race. Crazy ride.

Fair enough, blaming patrick for melon not winning or whatever is a legitimate debating point, but blaming him for kemboy not winning just seems like ott hypercriticism to me. It's not team tactics there as far as i know anyway.

Personally i thought patrick rode a brave, imaginative race, though many will no doubt disagree. Horse was keen, as ever, tanking along so he let it stride on, rode it like a stayer and he stayed, just came up short as he tends to do. Nothing new there. Maybe lost it at second last where he didn't see a stride, i wouldn't hammer jockey for that anyway. Even davy said before that jump he thought he had the race nearly won. Not sure he'd have won even with a good jump there, but it does show the margins between a great ride and a "shocker" can be pretty fine sometimes.

Anyway, i think it shows the horse is a stayer though where he'd fit into the current pecking order is tricky to gauge. I think a king george on decent ground would be a good fit for one.

IAMAMORON

I think the really good horses always cover up jockey errors and bad decisions.

A Plus Tard looks to be a genuine stayer - albeit on soft/heavy ground. In fairness he has taken a few names now - Chacun Por Soi, Kemboy , Mellon , only just beaten by Min in last years Ryanair.

I think if you don't get 3 miles at Leopardstown you can't get 3m2 1/2f's at the festival. Given that the same owners are going for the treble I can only see Mellon going Ryanair, where he would have a lovely chance.

IAMAMORON

Coneygree wrote: »

Yeah, I know it's not their real job and only a top up to the wages but jockey's columns are often as dull as dishwater.

My point exactly, it is nice to see him speaking his mind. Most of those columns are pure ghostwritten muck.

Pogue eile

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Fair enough, blaming patrick for melon not winning or whatever is a legitimate debating point, but blaming him for kemboy not winning just seems like ott hypercriticism to me. It's not team tactics there as far as i know anyway.

Personally i thought patrick rode a brave, imaginative race, though many will no doubt disagree. Horse was keen, as ever, tanking along so he let it stride on, rode it like a stayer and he stayed, just came up short as he tends to do. Nothing new there. Maybe lost it at second last where he didn't see a stride, i wouldn't hammer jockey for that anyway. Even davy said before that jump he thought he had the race nearly won. Not sure he'd have won even with a good jump there, but it does show the margins between a great ride and a "shocker" can be pretty fine sometimes.

Anyway, i think it shows the horse is a stayer though where he'd fit into the current pecking order is tricky to gauge. I think a king george on decent ground would be a good fit for one.

I would certainly agree with the bolded part anyway. And I think most of the time the thin margin between a great ride and a shocker is the critiques pocket!

RivetingRoger

Gordon at home with Covid
His horses reported to be coughing and pulled from Limerick today

Explains a lot
Knew Abacadabras, Percy and Ballyadam were too bad to be true
That yard not operating at full tilt at all

Anniepowaa

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Gordon at home with Covid
His horses reported to be coughing and pulled from Limerick today

Explains a lot
Knew Abacadabras, Percy and Ballyadam were too bad to be true
That yard not operating at full tilt at all

and what does having covid got to do with his horses running

costacorta

Anniepowaa wrote: »

and what does having covid got to do with his horses running

Maybe they were close contacts ðŸ˜႒

Anniepowaa

costacorta wrote: »

Maybe they were close contacts ðŸ˜႒

Absolute straw clutching just because Abacadabras bang average

Pogue eile

Pogue eile wrote: »

Only catching up with this thread/forum now and I'm not sure if it is good or bad news for you but I have done the exact same bet

My best bet over the Christmas period is Secret Reprieve in the Welsh National, got 10s two weeks ago, best price 7/2 now but still juice in that, horse is officially 8lbs well in and I think he is value for a few more.

I'm also told that Ha D'or is very highly thought of by those in the know at Closutton, is currently available at 50s for the Triumph and is expected to run in Leopardstown.

Worth the wait!!

Dr. Bre

Pogue eile wrote: »

Worth the wait!!

Will He win the aintree national ?

Pogue eile

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Will He win the aintree national ?

Be very interesting to see what the handicapper does with him, as I said I thought the 12lbs rise was lenient and he is almost certainly still on the upgrade, has only raced 9 times in total.

He won the trial off 130, won today off 142 and imo was worth more than the winning margin, if he gets raised to 150 he would have a lovely racing weight of just over 10st.

25/1 seems fair, I will wait and see what the handicapper does first.

I do have another one in mind for the national who finished down the field in todays race, just have no idea if the national is his target or not.

Shemale

He won it snugly in the end, considering his girth snapped I think before 2 out, he certainly had the snapped girth going over the last.

IAMAMORON

He doesn't stand a chance against Discorama.

It will be interesting to see what mark he gets now.

Is The Conditional entered in Aintree?

Pogue eile

IAMAMORON wrote: »

He doesn't stand a chance against Discorama.

It will be interesting to see what mark he gets now.

Is The Conditional entered in Aintree?

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Problem with Discorama is that he keeps running well without actually winning so not sure he is very well handicapped, an interesting one though for sure if it was confirmed as a target.

The one I was refferirng to above that I quite like is Lord Du Mesnil.

The Mig

Pogue eile wrote: »

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Problem with Discorama is that he keeps running well without actually winning so not sure he is very well handicapped, an interesting one though for sure if it was confirmed as a target.

The one I was refferirng to above that I quite like is Lord Du Mesnil.

Lord Du Mesnil overheated again on Saturday in the welsh national and trainer also said the ground wasn’t as heavy as he wanted it. He’s not exactly a plot job for the big one in April unless it’s bottomless!

https://twitter.com/RHBloodstock/status/1348006628285673472?s=20

Pogue eile

Cheers, was holding off until there was some indication that Aintree was the plan.

Back to the drawing board for now, but mindful that 90% of what comes out of Trainers mouths is scutter!

Pogue eile

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Will He win the aintree national ?

Pogue eile wrote: »

Be very interesting to see what the handicapper does with him, as I said I thought the 12lbs rise was lenient and he is almost certainly still on the upgrade, has only raced 9 times in total.

He won the trial off 130, won today off 142 and imo was worth more than the winning margin, if he gets raised to 150 he would have a lovely racing weight of just over 10st.

25/1 seems fair, I will wait and see what the handicapper does first.

I do have another one in mind for the national who finished down the field in todays race, just have no idea if the national is his target or not.

Incredibly the handicapper has only put him up to 144, I have him at least 6lbs higher with a P beside it. My first reaction was brilliant now where is that 25/1 but now that I am thinking about it, will he get in off 144? Should do but not guaranteed.