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UK Air travel suspended for 48 hours from midnight *Mod Warning in OP Please Read*

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    #302
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,671 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    GarIT wrote: »
    The EU is working on a joint approach tomorrow morning. They could get France to allow cargo through.

    France is allowing cargo through but only in unaccompanied containers. Netherlands set to impose same freight ban apparently so seems unlikely that is going to change.


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    #303
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 76,138 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    The current ban does not extend to goods vehicles on ferries (no car or foot passengers can come over by ferry)

    Not sure but presumably air freight is continuing (might be a few disappointed kids if no Amazon parcels are getting through from Britain)


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    #304
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Why wouldn't they, if the UK strain broke out over here (which is what I said)?
    Why would they ban UK travel but not Irish travel under the same circumstances? If they have any brains of course they would stop travel from countries where it's out of control.

    It's as likely to be in every other EU country as Ireland.


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    #305
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    GarIT wrote: »
    The ones to France have stopped.

    From Ireland?


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    #306
    GarIT
    Registered Users Posts: 8,671 ✭✭✭GarIT


    Beasty wrote: »
    The current ban does not extend to goods vehicles on ferries (no car or foot passengers can come over by ferry)

    Not sure but presumably air freight is continuing (might be a few disappointed kids if no Amazon parcels are getting through from Britain)

    I have seen multiple reports that is does apply to goods vehicles. And there are reports of back ups at the ports.

    But yes non accompanied cargo containers can travel.


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    #307
    GarIT
    Registered Users Posts: 8,671 ✭✭✭GarIT


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    From Ireland?

    Yes.


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    #308
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    GarIT wrote: »
    Yes.

    Fcuk. Why would France stop ferries from travelling to Ireland.

    Can you link a report i can't find anything stating ferries between France and Ireland have ceased.


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    #309
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    Deleted User wrote: »
    We have direct links to france?

    I thought we did from Rosslare?


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    #310
    bennyl10
    Registered Users Posts: 5,561 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    GarIT wrote: »
    I have seen multiple reports that is does apply to goods vehicles. And there are reports of back ups at the ports.

    But yes non accompanied cargo containers can travel.

    To Ireland it doesn’t not

    To France it does apply and there’s backlogs all through the UK


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    #311
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,258 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    UK officials have said it will take two weeks to grow the virus in a lab and then test the efficacy of current vaccines on it.
    That was yesterday.

    UK officials also said they wouldn't know if it spread with 70% more effiency for a few more weeks. That was yesterday....


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    #312
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    Duke of Url wrote: »
    I thought we did from Rosslare?

    We do Rosslare and Cork.


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    #313
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    GarIT wrote: »
    Yes.

    I thought it was only the UK?


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    #314
    tonysopprano
    Registered Users Posts: 780 ✭✭✭tonysopprano


    But seasonal workers from romania can still come in?

    If you can do the job, do it. If you can't do the job, just teach it. If you really suck at it, just become a union executive or politician.



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    #315
    Beasty
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    GarIT wrote: »
    I have seen multiple reports that is does apply to goods vehicles. And there are reports of back ups at the ports.

    But yes non accompanied cargo containers can travel.

    From the Government announcement
    Ferry crossings between Ireland and Great Britain will continue in order to keep essential supply chains moving. The government direction for people not to travel from Great Britain to Ireland does not extend to essential supply chain workers (see detailed notes below).

    HGV drivers are specifically detailed as allowed to travel


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    #316
    Indestructable
    Registered Users Posts: 1,374 ✭✭✭Indestructable


    I hope those lorries and driver's don't start to use Ireland as a landbridge. Holyhead to Dublin, Rosslare to France. That'd be some change.


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    #317
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 17,991 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    I would imagine they'll try and sort out the cargo element, from France to the UK, in the next week or so. The "emergency brake" has been pulled until they can work out better logistics pending an EU meeting.


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    #318
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users Posts: 16,202 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    smellyoldboot wrote: »
    No, if you want to behave like an utter scumbag and flout public health advice and endanger all around you, by all means you are free to fly into Belfast. You're welcome.

    We had the Cheltenham Martyrs and now we have the Christmas Martyrs.


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    #319
    faceman
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,601 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Good lord, you can't be this ignorant? You know about the high number of asymptomatic cases right?
    Of course I can spread it! What do you think happens if I touch something that an infected person touches and I then touch something else? Fairy magic?

    I don't know I have one, but I don't know that I don't have one either, neither do you.
    That's why we are all supposed to be cutting out non essential travel and social interactions... Because no one knows who has it and who doesn't. Infectious people aren't writhing on the ground with blood coming out of their eyes! This isn't 28 days later mate.

    The mind boggles.

    Oh god where to begin

    Do you have any idea what the research has found on asymptomatic cases? Only 1 in 5 cases are asymptomatic. (17%). Research also shows us that asymptomatic people passing the virus to others in their home is about one-quarter of the risk of transmission from a symptomatic person. The risk drops dramatically in a public setting

    This is all research that has happened over the past 9 months yet the messaging from NPHET hasn’t changed. The research has regularly updated WHO and ECDC advice but not the advice in Ireland

    There is currently no evidence for a universal screening program of asymptomatic patients in the absence of contact tracing which pours water on the notion that we’re all harbouring an infectious disease around.


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    #320
    GarIT
    Registered Users Posts: 8,671 ✭✭✭GarIT


    Beasty wrote: »
    From the Government announcement

    It's not our government announcement. France has banned any vehicles from its ports at least for the night, they said responsibility for the decisions will be handed over from the transport department to the government tomorrow.


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    #321
    GreeBo
    Registered Users Posts: 27,161 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    It's as likely to be in every other EU country as Ireland.

    You seem to, incorrectly, think I am saying they will blockade us now. I specifically said if it broke out over here...


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    #322
    GarIT
    Registered Users Posts: 8,671 ✭✭✭GarIT


    ixoy wrote: »
    I would imagine they'll try and sort out the cargo element, from France to the UK, in the next week or so. The "emergency brake" has been pulled until they can work out better logistics pending an EU meeting.

    EU meeting for an EU wide approach is scheduled for 11am tomorrow German time. Using a mechanism reserved for national scale natural disasters, large scale terrorist attacks and the outbreak of war.


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    #323
    odyssey06
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    faceman wrote: »
    Oh god where to begin
    Do you have any idea what the research has found on asymptomatic cases? Only 1 in 5 cases are asymptomatic. (17%). Research also shows us that asymptomatic people passing the virus to others in their home is about one-quarter of the risk of transmission from a symptomatic person. The risk drops dramatically in a public setting
    This is all research that has happened over the past 9 months yet the messaging from NPHET hasn’t changed. The research has regularly updated WHO and ECDC advice but not the advice in Ireland
    There is currently no evidence for a universal screening program of asymptomatic patients in the absence of contact tracing which pours water on the notion that we’re all harbouring an infectious disease around.

    Just pointing out you could be in presymptomatic phase for a window of time.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #324
    faceman
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,601 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    Just pointing out you could be in presymptomatic phase for a window of time.

    That’s true. But it’s not the same as asymptomatic


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    #325
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    GarIT wrote: »
    It's not our government announcement. France has banned any vehicles from its ports at least for the night, they said responsibility for the decisions will be handed over from the transport department to the government tomorrow.

    To the United Kingdom not Ireland.

    The Epsilon is on route from France to Ireland right now.

    https://www.ferrytracker.net/2018/01/irish-ferries-tracking.html


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    #326
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 17,991 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    GreeBo wrote: »
    You seem to, incorrectly, think I am saying they will blockade us now. I specifically said if it broke out over here...
    Possibly would. However, the fact the UK has pissed the EU off a lot recently means they've bene less inclined to be nice and are happy to cut them off for now.
    This, coupled with Brexit happening before a lot of this ban is listed, means it's not a good time for the UK and, somewhat by extension, us too.


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    #327
    embraer170
    Registered Users Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭embraer170


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    We have daily services to and from France and a route to northern Spain. Nobody will starve.

    Daily accompanied services only start in early January (6x weekly DFDS Rosslare-Dunkirk, 6x weekly Stena Rosslare-Cherbourg, 3x weekly Irish Ferries Dublin-Cherbourg).

    Before January, there are only a total of 4 accompanied services (2 ferries on the 22nd, 2 ferries on the 29th).

    If nothing gets solved in the coming day or two, a lot of drivers who would have made their home over the landbridge will be stranded in Ireland over Christmas. This might also put into question a final pre-Christmas delivery from mainland Europe that might have come in on the 22nd.


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    #328
    GreeBo
    Registered Users Posts: 27,161 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    GarIT wrote: »
    We produce enough food to feed 36 million people. We are the 2nd most food secure nation in the world. We won't starve even with the ports and airports closed. The UK actually could.
    I didn't say we would starve, just that our selection will significantly change. I don't think we grow too many bananas for example...


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    #329
    GarIT
    Registered Users Posts: 8,671 ✭✭✭GarIT


    Eurotunnel is closed for freight https://www.eurotunnel.com/uk/travelling-with-us/latest/covid-19/

    Looking for the same for the ports.


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    #330
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,671 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    ixoy wrote: »
    Possibly would. However, the fact the UK has pissed the EU off a lot recently means they've bene less inclined to be nice

    There certainly won't be any favors coming, let's put it that way.

    And the Tory narrative on the vaccine and brexit for political purposes obviously peed off a lot of countries.


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    #331
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 29,540 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    ixoy wrote: »
    Possibly would. However, the fact the UK has pissed the EU off a lot recently means they've bene less inclined to be nice and are happy to cut them off for now.
    This, coupled with Brexit happening before a lot of this ban is listed, means it's not a good time for the UK and, somewhat by extension, us too.

    If it breaks out in force here now... and we have open border with UK up north I can see us being hung by same noose.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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