Why do we need a signer at all GOV announcements?

Sardonicat

Ok, I'll record Nuacht and hope it captures it. The next step will be to convince him to watch it. He watches multiple news broadcasts a day but really csnt follow any if them. At least this way he can get the News for himself and not have to rely on a third party explaining it to him. Thanks guys.

Hamsterchops

fortwilliam wrote: »

Why do we need a signer at all GOV announcements?

...and why is he always wearing black?

With a black shirt & a black tie, with dark trousers & black shoes? Like a harbinger of death, or the messenger of gloom & doom!

Hopefully his wife will go clothes shopping & brighten up his wardrobe this Christmas

Other colours do exist.

.anon.

Zebra3 wrote: »

Btw, while discussing deafness related issues, if you're wearing a mask, deaf people can't lipread you!!!!!

Incredible that some people haven't copped that.

I didn't realise how deaf I was, and how much I've been relying on lipreading, until everyone started wearing masks.

anplaya27

Hamsterchops wrote: »

...and why is he always wearing black?

With a black shirt & a black tie, with dark trousers & black shoes? Like a harbinger of death, or the messenger of gloom & doom!

Hopefully his wife will go clothes shopping & brighten up his wardrobe this Christmas

Other colours do exist.

Think about what hes doing. Then you'll understand why.

JasonStatham

fortwilliam wrote: »

Is it a WOKE thing that we need a signer at every press conference?
Do sub-titles not work or are there a lot of deaf people who cannot read?
Just wondering like...


https://t.co/YYqGprOD9w?amp=1

It's for the faces that the signers pull, that we love and adore them. Haha.

If i was signing i would be gyrating my neck and flexing my shoulders for extra emphasis

runawaybishop

Hamsterchops wrote: »

...and why is he always wearing black?

With a black shirt & a black tie, with dark trousers & black shoes? Like a harbinger of death, or the messenger of gloom & doom!

Hopefully his wife will go clothes shopping & brighten up his wardrobe this Christmas

Other colours do exist.

It's so you can clearly see his hands, contrast.

Sir Oxman

Kylta wrote: »

No, I'm sure ISL is national langauge, their is no accent. Only hand and face signals. I done an ISL course last year as part of my job, and I must admit it was probably one of the best courses I did in years. Where I have just basic ISL learning I love watching them signing on the news, knowing I can catch some of what there saying because the are fluent with their signing.
In regards to the OP I curious as to why this should even be a post? What were you hoping for?

Is it difficult to pick up?
I remember years ago being encouraged to do a course but sadly I didn't have the time.

Collie D

Collie D wrote: »

I’d go a step further and get rid of the microphones too. Can hearing people not read subtitles?

I would go a step even further and do away with the people completely. Cant people read a blank black screen with white writing?

Sir Oxman

Anesthetize wrote: »

Did somebody actually create a thread on this?

Yup, but it's developed into a really interesting one about the language itself!

Stihl waters

I watch it to see the red headed one, she would get a shot at the title if she came looking for it

anplaya27

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Is it difficult to pick up?
I remember years ago being encouraged to do a course but sadly I didn't have the time.

. A course would only teach the basics, like the alphabet , numbers etc. It's a full language sure. Interpreters for example study at the centre for Deaf studies in Trinity for 4 years and they are continuously being evaluated on the job. It's an evolving language just like spoken ones are.

Richard

L1011 wrote: »

The ISL/BSL comprehension split is not that clear either.

They're different languages entirely, signing is not translating English to signals and it turned out that ISL and BSL were developed seperately.

I believe (although I’m happy to be corrected) that ISL in NI tends to be in rural areas whilst BSL (specifically NISL as it isn’t quite the same) is used in urban areas. It isn’t a complete Protestant/Catholic split.

dxhound2005

Anesthetize wrote: »

Did somebody actually create a thread on this?

They did indeed. But made no further contribution since. They were just wondering like, so they must have got the answers they wanted.

Is it a WOKE thing that we need a signer at every press conference?
Do sub-titles not work or are there a lot of deaf people who cannot read?
Just wondering like...

Kylta

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Is it difficult to pick up?
I remember years ago being encouraged to do a course but sadly I didn't have the time.

As one poster said. You need to be at it all the time to pick it up, I found it hard to change signals into words, if the hand signing is to fast, I'd miss out on certain words especially if the spelling the words out. But I'd recommend a basic course in ISL to anybody who's interested in it.
It also taught me one thing, how frustrating it can be for a person from a different culture trying to communicate with a person who has no knowledge of their language.

pickarooney

anplaya27 wrote: »

ISL and spoken english are completely different languages and have nothing in common. One language is visual, other isoral, which the Deaf have never heard, yet are expected to understand. Imagine how difficult that is.
You interpret ISL to english and english to ISL. Sometimes thereis no direct translation and you need to finger spell the word and come up with a sign to describe it.

Signers you see there are hearing, obviously interpreting in real time sure. You need to be able to hear for that. We have Deaf interpreters too. Interpreters study in the school of linguistics in Trinity at the centre for Deaf studies. I'm a member of the Deaf community and an ISL user.

What happens when a new word comes into being - obvious example of COVID-19 - does that begin by being spelled out in, I suppose English? but in this case it would have the same spelling in all spoken languages... at some point presumably a short, unique sign develops for the word. Who decides on what that is and would this same sign be used in varieties of sign languages worldwide?

I'm trying to imagine, say, Chinese sign language. Would that be utterly independent of spoken Chinese and its writing system?

anplaya27

pickarooney wrote: »

What happens when a new word comes into being - obvious example of COVID-19 - does that begin by being spelled out in, I suppose English? but in this case it would have the same spelling in all spoken languages... at some point presumably a short, unique sign develops for the word. Who decides on what that is and would this same sign be used in varieties of sign languages worldwide?

I'm trying to imagine, say, Chinese sign language. Would that be utterly independent of spoken Chinese and its writing system?

The Deaf community itself in each country decides on a new sign.In fact we have one for coronavirus here.

All native sign languages are dependent of spoken languages. They have nothing in common. Different grammar structures, synthaxes , phonetics and so on. You need to understand spoken (oral) languages are not the languages of the Deaf.

anplaya27

Richard wrote: »

I believe (although I’m happy to be corrected) that ISL in NI tends to be in rural areas whilst BSL (specifically NISL as it isn’t quite the same) is used in urban areas. It isn’t a complete Protestant/Catholic split.

Wrong. Nothing to do with the catholic/protestant thing. That's a hearing issue not Deaf. It's more to do with the educational system. They do actually use 3 different sign languages in NI. NISL, BSL and ISL.

Wanderer78

fortwilliam wrote:

Is it a WOKE thing that we need a signer at every press conference? Do sub-titles not work or are there a lot of deaf people who cannot read? Just wondering like...

Maybe we do need public kickings for online ignorance!

pickarooney

pickarooney wrote: »

What happens when a new word comes into being - obvious example of COVID-19 - does that begin by being spelled out in, I suppose English? but in this case it would have the same spelling in all spoken languages... at some point presumably a short, unique sign develops for the word. Who decides on what that is and would this same sign be used in varieties of sign languages worldwide?

As in other languages it depends really. Think about French with their top-down standards. German tried standardising spellings.
Were the individual sign languages developed in a systematic way and then taught or did they grow organically and then get somewhat standardised? Is a language in wide enough use for new "words" to naturally cement their meaning when they come along?

spurious

I know we're veering slightly off topic here, but if I think about how hearing people are taught to read (assigning a sound to the letters and combining them), imagine how difficult/amazing/complicated it is for someone who has never heard a sound to do the same, and often in more than one laguage?

I travelled around the US many moons ago with a deaf woman - we had met online where 'chat' rooms had been the great leveller, but when we met up, I just had my very poor rendering of the ASL alphabet to manage with. God help her she must have been so frustrated as I plodded along spelling everything out, letter by letter. I will never forget her relief and fluency when we met some other deaf people and she could communicate fluently with people again. She was too polite to mention it, but I know dealing with me must have been a torment for her.

anplaya27

Deleted User wrote: »

As in other languages it depends really. Think about French with their top-down standards. German tried standardising spellings.
Were the individual sign languages developed in a systematic way and then taught or did they grow organically and then get somewhat standardised? Is a language in wide enough use for new "words" to naturally cement their meaning when they come along?

They developed naturally in Deaf communities over centuries. The educational system here in Ireland used FSL and this had an impact on ISL. All native sign languages are different worldwide. Just like spoken ones.

anplaya27

spurious wrote: »

I know we're veering slightly off topic here, but if I think about how hearing people are taught to read (assigning a sound to the letters and combining them), imagine how difficult/amazing/complicated it is for someone who has never heard a sound to do the same, and often in more than one laguage?

I travelled around the US many moons ago with a deaf woman - we had met online where 'chat' rooms had been the great leveller, but when we met up, I just had my very poor rendering of the ASL alphabet to manage with. God help her she must have been so frustrated as I plodded along spelling everything out, letter by letter. I will never forget her relief and fluency when we met some other deaf people and she could communicate fluently with people again. She was too polite to mention it, but I know dealing with me must have been a torment for her.

It's a pain in the arse with fingerspelling but we Deaf ( notice the capital d, as in Deaf culture, identity, traditions, language etc) do appreciate the effort. After all it's usually the other way around.

Ficheall

I'm always amazed at them being able to translate in real time like that. I guess it goes for translators in general. My languages are okay, but could never translate on the hop while still listening and absorbing the next bit.

anplaya27

Ficheall wrote: »

I'm always amazed at them being able to translate in real time like that. I guess it goes for translators in general. My languages are okay, but could never translate on the hop while still listening and absorbing the next bit.

It's actually harder to interpret a spoken language into a signed language and vice versa as they are completely structured differently.The brain uses a different section for both so its very tiring. That's why you see the interpreters changing after 20 minutes as the quality of their interpretation goes down.

pickarooney

anplaya27 wrote: »

The Deaf community itself in each country decides on a new sign.In fact we have one for coronavirus here.

All native sign languages are dependent of spoken languages. They have nothing in common. Different grammar structures, synthaxes , phonetics and so on. You need to understand spoken (oral) languages are not the languages of the Deaf.

Is there any crossover or ways to intuit words from other sign languages? For example if you watched a French person sign would some of the signs make sense? Would the syntax in one sign language sometimes be similar to the grammar in another? Are there groups or families of sign language?

I have far too many questions. Do you know a good resource for people who want to learn more? I don't necessarily want to learn a sign language at the moment but am interested in the mechanics of it.

anplaya27

pickarooney wrote: »

Is there any crossover or ways to intuit words from other sign languages? For example if you watched a French person sign would some of the signs make sense? Would the syntax in one sign language sometimes be similar to the grammar in another? Are there groups or families of sign language?

I have far too many questions. Do you know a good resource for people who want to learn more? I don't necessarily want to learn a sign language at the moment but am interested in the mechanics of it.

You can look up all of the above youve asked online if you search. This will answer your questions better than I ever will. All the information is there.