Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

hynesie08

GooglePlus wrote: »

People are just itching to moan now. If they administered the vaccines a day early, they'd still find something.

Wait till varadkar gets it on Tuesday, you could sail to leinster House on the wave of tears.....

CIARAN_BOYLE

Avoation1091 wrote: »

Travel was accounting for a very very small % of the cases prior to UK strain. Our Aviation industry has been deciminated by Covid with the massive reduction in flights. People were supposed to be restricting there movements.

Cases directly related to travel was a tiny minority of cases.

If we look at the Spanish variant and see that 60% of our cases in October were related to the Spanish variant so while only a small amount of cases were directly related to travel the majority of cases are indirectly related to travel after June 2020.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/majority-of-irish-covid-19-cases-come-from-variant-that-originated-in-spain-study-1.4394152

jackboy

GooglePlus wrote: »

People are just itching to moan now. If they administered the vaccines a day early, they'd still find something.

Due to the years of HSE incompetence they are widely expected to mess this up. This is why people are hypersensitive to every little issue or perceived issue. In other words, due to experience, the HSE actually do have to prove themselves able to roll out this vaccine. Until they do that successfully it will be assumed that they are making a mess of it.

billyhead

jackboy wrote: »

Due to the years of HSE incompetence they are widely expected to mess this up. This is why people are hypersensitive to every little issue or perceived issue. In other words, due to experience, the HSE actually do have to prove themselves able to roll out this vaccine. Until they do that successfully it will be assumed that they are making a mess of it.

The HSE couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.

UrbanFret

billyhead wrote: »

The HSE couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.

Has there ever actually been a piss up in a brewery?:D

niallo27

caveat emptor wrote: »

Happy Christmas Niallo, If we had a common policy then they wouldn't be required. What would be important is that people from outside UK / Ireland quarantine. We don't have a border practically so we can't set policy. I think we should accept that reality sooner rather than later.

Happy Christmas to you too.

SPDUB

GooglePlus wrote: »

People are just itching to moan now. If they administered the vaccines a day early, they'd still find something.

And it would be along the line of

"those vaccinations are only for PR ,when are the real vaccinations beginning

spookwoman

branie2 wrote: »

Big drop in cases this evening

Big drop in testing, only 3364 tested today.

KrustyUCC

jackboy wrote: »

Due to the years of HSE incompetence they are widely expected to mess this up. This is why people are hypersensitive to every little issue or perceived issue. In other words, due to experience, the HSE actually do have to prove themselves able to roll out this vaccine. Until they do that successfully it will be assumed that they are making a mess of it.

They're doing a fabulous job at proving people right so far

Not ready to vaccinate on day 1

The communication must get far far better as well

John O.Groats

hynesie08 wrote: »

Wait till varadkar gets it on Tuesday, you could sail to leinster House on the wave of tears.....

He isn`t.

mandrake04

Avoation1091 wrote: »

Travel was accounting for a very very small % of the cases prior to UK strain. Our Aviation industry has been deciminated by Covid with the massive reduction in flights. People were supposed to be restricting there movements.

It’s only seemed a small % because a bunch of idiots were doing the maths.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115641339&postcount=4346


Also anyone dumb enough to be travelling during a world pandemic are hardly the type to restrict their movements.

mandrake04

GooglePlus wrote: »

People are just itching to moan now. If they administered the vaccines a day early, they'd still find something.

Yeah I don’t see what the fuss is, the earlier they start the earlier they run out of doses, then you have people complaining about that.

TonyMaloney

Testing over Christmas has really distorted the picture, but it's pretty clear we're in a bad place.

alentejo

I think from a PR perspective the hse should have started administrating the vaccine today. Hundreds of thousands are forced out of work so it's the least that could be done.

I appreciate it needs to be done correctly, however just a little bit of cop on by the hse could have seen 100 or 200 vacinned today

BrianD3

alentejo wrote: »

I think from a PR perspective the hse should have started administrating the vaccine today. Hundreds of thousands are forced out of work so it's the least that could be done.

I appreciate it needs to be done correctly, however just a little bit of cop on by the hse could have seen 100 or 200 vacinned today

Even with starting on the 29th instead of the 30th we are starting later than:

Germany
Hungary
Slovakia
Italy
Czech Rep.
Denmark
Sweden
Finland
Greece
Cyprus
France
Spain
Poland
Austria
Bulgaria
Croatia
Portugal
Slovenia
Estonia
Malta
Romania
Lithuania
Belgium
Latvia
Luxembourg

The HSE/NPHET/gov defenders and anti British brigade will sneer about PR and try to spin this that we are doing the right thing and it won't make much of a difference anyway as sure it's only a couple of days. Many of the same individuals want hard lockdowns and accuse others of being callous if they don't agree. Yet when it comes to starting vaccinating as early as most of the rest of Europe, it appears that every life doesn't matter after all.

Also, if the vaccine is shown to reduce transmission that makes delays more significant e.g. if a superspreader event were to be prevented by vaccinating 100 or 200 people today as you suggest instead of on Wednesday.

JP Liz V1

We have seen a significant increase in the number of hospitalisations in the last two weeks from less than 190 to 324 today
Dr Tony Holohan

BobbyMalone

mandrake04 wrote: »

Yeah I don’t see what the fuss is, the earlier they start the earlier they run out of doses, then you have people complaining about that.

Surely getting the dose earlier means there's less chance of contracting the virus? Isn't that why they are vaccinating more at risk groups first?

Windmill100000

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

We have seen a significant increase in the number of hospitalisations in the last two weeks from less than 190 to 324 today
Dr Tony Holohan

Statement also says "It brings the total number of Covid-19-related deaths in the country to 2,204."

Have they always been described as Covid-19-related?

Jim_Hodge

Windmill100000 wrote: »

Statement also says "It brings the total number of Covid-19-related deaths in the country to 2,204."

Have they always been described as Covid-19-related?

The daily updates always refer to Covid-19 related deaths.

iguana

hynesie08 wrote: »

So, if we open up every chemist and gps office 24/7 to administer the vaccine, how will that change the fact that we still will only have 30000 doses a week, doesn't matter if they're vaccinated by 2 o'clock Tuesday or Sunday evening.

Because very, very soon we'll be getting regular amounts of Oxford/AstraZeneca and Moderna vaccines too. Curevac as well in February. The HSE needs to be preparing to administer an awful lot more vaccines, maybe into the 6 figures a week.

Jim_Hodge

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

The daily updates always refer to Covid-19 related deaths.

Or died with covid but actually tv3 have been so bold as th say died from covid 19..the dizzy blonde..silly really..no idea about science at all or vaccines or blind trials or random trials or bias publications or peer reviews or placebos or anything relevant..like most shes a humanities degree card holding journalist..like many.

caveat emptor

Avoation1091 wrote: »

Travel was accounting for a very very small % of the cases prior to UK strain. Our Aviation industry has been deciminated by Covid with the massive reduction in flights. People were supposed to be restricting there movements.

It has been decimated anyway despite the lack of quarantine. May as well have implemented it and most could have had a semblance of normality.

Mimon

GooglePlus wrote: »

People are just itching to moan now. If they administered the vaccines a day early, they'd still find something.

This, doesn't reflect well on all the poster looking for a good aul moan.

froog

people in a rage over ireland rolling out vaccine literally days later than some other countries is kind of pathetic to be honest.

niallo27

froog wrote: »

people in a rage over ireland rolling out vaccine literally days later than some other countries is kind of pathetic to be honest.

Pathetic, why is it pathetic. You think wanting to get the most vulnerable vaccinated as early as possible is Pathetic.

hmmm

froog wrote: »

people in a rage over ireland rolling out vaccine literally days later than some other countries is kind of pathetic to be honest.

The HSE and Health Minister in my view have not done enough over their history to get a free pass on criticism or being held to account. It's clear that there is a large trust gap. We all know the economic and health impacts of the pandemic, no-one gets to say "shut up and trust us" when it comes to a major project like a vaccination programme.

It's a bit rich listening to some people (not yourself) sarcastically saying that amateurs are trying to tell them how a vaccination programme is run. The facts are that other countries who have received the vaccine at the same time have started to roll it out. You don't need to be an expert on vaccinations to ask why that gap exists, and you don't need to a logistics expert to ask why we are being told there are delays due to "training", "IT systems" and "consent forms" which other countries seem not have the same problem with.

If it's a case that this is a lower priority in Ireland, then I'd be quite happy for the Minister of Health to say this and accept the political consequences.

If this isn't the case and it is a high priority project, it's right for questions to be asked as to why that gap exists. Maybe three or four days don't matter in the longer term, but there should be an explanation as to why we are different - and how can people be sure that this three/four days difference for the first batch doesn't turn into a three/four month delay for the next batches.

hynesie08

niallo27 wrote: »

Pathetic, why is it pathetic. You think wanting to get the most vulnerable vaccinated as early as possible is Pathetic.

Except that's not who we're vaccinating with this batch........

froog

niallo27 wrote: »

Pathetic, why is it pathetic. You think wanting to get the most vulnerable vaccinated as early as possible is Pathetic.

it's pathetic that you and a lot of other posters were calling the rollout a failure before you even knew any details weeks ago and before any vaccine had even been approved. literally waiting to pounce on any hint of an issue so you can continue government bashing. and here we are, just 3 days behind some countries rollout and surprise surprise you are all outraged. it's predictable and beyond sad.

niallo27

froog wrote: »

it's pathetic that you and a lot of other posters were calling the rollout a failure before you even knew any details weeks ago and before any vaccine had even been approved. literally waiting to pounce on any hint of an issue so you can continue government bashing. and here we are, just 3 days behind some countries rollout and surprise surprise you are all outraged. it's predictable and beyond sad.

Well people said the hse would **** up the rollout and the first thing they had to do there is a delay, it is pathetic and sad your right.

ednwireland

froog wrote: »

it's pathetic that you and a lot of other posters were calling the rollout a failure before you even knew any details weeks ago and before any vaccine had even been approved. literally waiting to pounce on any hint of an issue so you can continue government bashing. and here we are, just 3 days behind some countries rollout and surprise surprise you are all outraged. it's predictable and beyond sad.

no we were watching other countries put in place vaccination processes and centres before any approval so they were ready to roll out as soon as they got the vaccine. something many people doubted the hse had the capability to implement. and we hope we arent seeing the start of a mess of a vaccination campaign now.