Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

KrustyUCC

Martina1991 wrote: »

Some people aren't giving a f*ck anymore.

https://twitter.com/DrNuala/status/1343507786131509248?s=19

Yes that's worrying

A good portion of those will be staying until new years at the earliest and out and about in the community

spookwoman

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

I am not sure how accurate the confirmed case data is at the moment as I am sure we over 1000 cases confirmed on one day recently?

Just checked the api side of the hse data and the excel file only goes back to august today. was up to date yesterday.

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/datasets/f6d6332820ca466999dbd852f6ad4d5a_0?geometry=50.977%2C-76.680%2C-50.977%2C76.680&orderBy=Date_HPSC&orderByAsc=false

Turtwig

Stheno wrote: »

Part of it is lack of detailed contact tracing, are they still only going back 48 hours?

And do they even ask about recent travels?

Yep. Some politicians and public facing people have said they would start going back further. It'd be lovely if they did. I'm skeptical though. Around 500 daily cases in Oct was when the tracing system became under severe strain and people were contacted too late. Few weeks later the system utterly failed and people were text messaged. There is no way in hell they can increase the days and chains of potential contacts without a significant boost in resources from what they had in September. Maybe they have done this. The vagueness of their wording implies otherwise.

In reality going back 14 days or more would not necessarily identify the source of the transmission. Transmission in a pub or restaurant is very hard to detect. Often times it's luck or extensive research that identifies these. Research by which the time its completed there's been several chains of transmission since.

Vitners and restaurants association may wish for this to satisfy their curiosity. Sad fact is there a plethora of thoroughly investigated outbreaks internationally and all of these identify indoor areas such as a restaurant as super spreading locations. That the virus behaves differently here is the assumption we have to make if we are to say pubs etc. are safe and don't contribute to spread in the community.

Resources are better spent elsewhere imo.

KrustyUCC

Gardaí probe reports of topless men hugging at packed Christmas parties

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40197663.html

Not a good look unfortunately

Stheno

Turtwig wrote: »

Yep. Some politicians and public facing people have said they would start going back further. It'd be lovely if they did. I'm skeptical though. Around 500 daily cases in Oct was when the tracing system became under severe strain and people were contacted too late. Few weeks later the system utterly failed and people were text messaged. There is no way in hell they can increase the days and chains of potential contacts without a significant boost in resources from what they had in September. Maybe they have done this. The vagueness of their wording implies otherwise.

In reality going back 14 days or more would not necessarily identify the source of the transmission. Transmission in a pub or restaurant is very hard to detect. Often times it's luck or extensive research that identifies these. Research by which the time its completed there's been several chains of transmission since.

Vitners and restaurants association may wish for this to satisfy their curiosity. Sad fact is there a plethora of thoroughly investigated outbreaks internationally and all of these identify indoor areas such as a restaurant as super spreading locations. That the virus behaves differently here is the assumption we have to make if we are to say pubs etc. are safe and don't contribute to spread in the community.

In my local area, out of 11 pubs that were open, three had to close at varying t I mes due to staff testing positive, so 30%

Now I'm not aware of any clusters or other cases but to me it does demonstrate the risk

That said, its peoples behaviour in pubs which is probably as much a risk, groups meeting up, loud talking and laughing etc

Stheno

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Gardaí probe reports of topless men hugging at packed Christmas parties

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40197663.html

Not a good look unfortunately

Watch the numbers explode

whisky_galore

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Gardaí probe reports of topless men hugging at packed Christmas parties

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40197663.html

Not a good look unfortunately

Actually called out by PP.

(Not for a fight though)

KrustyUCC

Stheno wrote: »

Watch the numbers explode

That was always a very real possibility in that town at Christmas unfortunately

ElJeffe

Martina1991 wrote: »

Some people aren't giving a f*ck anymore.

https://twitter.com/DrNuala/status/1343507786131509248?s=19

You'd want to be a real lowlife to not give a darn about the greater good.

KrustyUCC

whisky_galore wrote: »

Actually called out by PP.

(Not for a fight though)

It's a good statement from PP in fairness

Unfortunately his previous pleas fell on deaf ears

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/travellers-asked-not-to-return-home-for-christmas-39824760.html

Stheno

KrustyUCC wrote: »

That was always a very real possibility in that town at Christmas unfortunately

True
At least Paven Point have come out against it

You'd feel for people who may be impacted as a result of that behaviour though through no fault of their own

Some of the behaviour described is appalling

Arghus

Avoation1091 wrote: »

Why? Theres been very little cases from non essential retail? Leo and coveney have said this. Much bigger impact in closing them indefinitely.

As a few others have pointed out, it's very hard due to the vagaries of the contact tracing system to directly link many cases, the majority even, back to their source.

The thinking behind closing non essential retail isn't only that.

Basically you want to cut down every opportunity every individual has to interact in a non essential setting - which minimises the reasons people have for leaving the house, meeting others etc. Cutting down the opportunies people have to meet others suppresses the chances for the virus to spread. Especially, when transmission is rampant and steadily worsening - which it now is.

I'll be stunned if essential retail stays open much longer and there will be more sectors shut after it. There's no real guarantees of anything staying open aside from food stores depending on how the situation develops, the government can say what they like for now - but if we're posting crackers figures and hospitalisations are climbing and climbing then they'll eventually backtrack. I hope we won't find ourselves back in a March style lockdown - but I wouldn't bet big money against it tbh.

screamer

Non essential retail will be closed I have no doubt. I’d guess before NYE too. Government is to review this on Tuesday with no plans to shut it in the “ immediate future” but as we’ve seen 3 days is a long time in this thing. If also guess school returns being delayed if we start getting crazily high positive numbers, schools may have been ok before, but with this new highly transmittable strain, that changes things a lot. Buckle up for 2021 cause things are gonna get worse before they get better. and I’m so fecking sick of COVID-19 now.

Signore Fancy Pants

765 new cases and 1 death.

4 extra in ICU...up to 30 in ICU.

SEPT 23 1989

I looked at breaking news for numbers

1600+ and I thought that's high

Then I saw the words "the north"

Dear o dear

TheValeyard

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

765 new cases and 1 death.

Would the cynic in me be wary that these numbers are lower because of less people getting tested due to Christmas holidays?

KrustyUCC

That's a large large backlog building with 1159 positive swabs today

Kermit.de.frog

Expecting a record number tomorrow I'd say

Avoation1091

screamer wrote: »

Non essential retail will be closed I have no doubt. I’d guess before NYE too. Government is to review this on Tuesday with no plans to shut it in the “ immediate future” but as we’ve seen 3 days is a long time in this thing. If also guess school returns being delayed if we start getting crazily high positive numbers, schools may have been ok before, but with this new highly transmittable strain, that changes things a lot. Buckle up for 2021 cause things are gonna get worse before they get better. and I’m so fecking sick of COVID-19 now.

Same as me. fed up of it all now. Normality is way way off yet but bring it on.

Cabinet met today instead i think. Leo mentioned this morning.

JP Liz V1

As of 2pm today 359 COVID19 patients are hospitalised, of which 30 are in ICU. 41 additional hospitalisations in the past 24 hours.

ninebeanrows

With the backlog building, they'll be a shock and awe 2000 day in next few days

KrustyUCC

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

With the backlog building, they'll be a shock and awe 2000 day in next few days

i wouldn't be surprised

Stheno

KrustyUCC wrote: »

That's a large large backlog building with 1159 positive swabs today

But yesterday there was an extra.400 cases compared to swabs

I can't get my head around it tbh

Stheno

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

As of 2pm today 359 COVID19 patients are hospitalised, of which 30 are in ICU. 41 additional hospitalisations in the past 24 hours.

How many discharges? There were 350 in hospital yesterday I thought?

ElJeffe

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

With the backlog building, they'll be a shock and awe 2000 day in next few days

A lot of idiots who carried on about their business as normal at Xmas may be shocked in the coming weeks. Of course it will be the gubberments fault etc... nothing to do with personal responsibility.

John.Icy

Stheno wrote: »

But yesterday there was an extra.400 cases compared to swabs

I can't get my head around it tbh

There was ~1600 more positive swabs than cases between the 23rd - 26th. Yesterday had the extra 400 cases vs swabs but that's still ~1200 swabs...till now double swabs per one person has not really been that big a factor, they usually balance out over time.

Another 400 odd today. Confusing.

KrustyUCC

Stheno wrote: »

But yesterday there was an extra.400 cases compared to swabs

I can't get my head around it tbh

I'm never too sure of swabs vs cases but swabs definitely seem to be more than cases announced over then last few days

Will have another look later on

CIARAN_BOYLE

Stheno wrote: »

But yesterday there was an extra.400 cases compared to swabs

I can't get my head around it tbh

Aren't swabs midnight to midnight and cases midday to midday?

I always forget.

JP Liz V1

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I looked at breaking news for numbers

1600+ and I thought that's high

Then I saw the words "the north"

Dear o dear

1600 cases in NI today?

vienne86

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

1600 cases in NI today?

48 hours I think.