Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

is_that_so

harr wrote: »

Why no enforcement this time for level 5 compared to when numbers were lower? The very odd checkpoint but no where need the numbers like beginning of the year.
I was on a few essential journeys over the last few days and I didn’t see one guard anywhere and I was driving between 3 different midland counties.
Two different forecourts last night where young lads had gathered with 7 or 8 cars and were socialising in groups .

We are still in that Christmas zone in the sense that people are allowed to return home. Very little traffic that I saw yesterday. I think it's wishful thinking that every congregation of young lads is going to be policed.

Nozebleed

harr wrote: »

Why no enforcement this time for level 5 compared to when numbers were lower? The very odd checkpoint but no where need the numbers like beginning of the year.
I was on a few essential journeys over the last few days and I didn’t see one guard anywhere and I was driving between 3 different midland counties.
Two different forecourts last night where young lads had gathered with 7 or 8 cars and were socialising in groups .

Fianna Fail and government partners are to blame for where we are at this moment in time. they are responsible for the sky rocket in numbers..and the inevitable deaths that will sadly follow. its the government ministers who should be held accountable. its time we forced a few of them out of office.

the lads hangin out in the garage aren't the problem. nor are the guards..they've enough on their plate day to day.

is_that_so

Nozebleed wrote: »

Fianna Fail and government partners are to blame for where we are at this moment in time. they are responsible for the sky rocket in numbers..and the inevitable deaths that will sadly follow. its the government ministers who should be held accountable. its time we forced a few of them out of office.

the lads hangin out in the garage aren't the problem. nor are the guards..they've enough on their plate day to day.

Hmm, 4 weeks of eating, partying and socialising is all the government's fault?

igCorcaigh

igCorcaigh wrote: »

That's my understanding too.

Detection of the SARS CoV2 virus does not mean in itself a diagnosis of Covid-19 disease.

Yes it does, I lost this same argument here months ago on the opposite side. The HPSC and ECDC case definition defines COvid 19 as being a Laboratory confirmed case of SAR CoV2 infection

bennyl10

igCorcaigh wrote: »

That's my understanding too.

Detection of the SARS CoV2 virus does not mean in itself a diagnosis of Covid-19 disease.

Even though we don’t know long term affects.

But yes the positive doesn’t mean anything..

fits

Nozebleed wrote: »

Fianna Fail and government partners are to blame for where we are at this moment in time. they are responsible for the sky rocket in numbers..and the inevitable deaths that will sadly follow. its the government ministers who should be held accountable. its time we forced a few of them out of office.

the lads hangin out in the garage aren't the problem. nor are the guards..they've enough on their plate day to day.

I was angry as well. More so last week probably. But the current numbers are worse than any worst case scenario projections. No one saw this coming. Also very few countries have successfully kept the virus back. Let’s hope lockdown 3 works.

The only silver lining is that the casedemic/pcr test/anti lockdown crowd are gone very quiet.

ednwireland

is_that_so wrote: »

Hmm, 4 weeks of eating, partying and socialising is all the government's fault?

no but saying suddenly that inter county travel and multiple households meeting wasnt a very good idea. it gave the impression it was ok as long as you sat your grandparents next to an open window !

we took the decision not to see any relatives or go anywhere well before christmas. obviously a lot of people thought different

Eivor

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes it does, I lost this same argument here months ago on the opposite side. The HPSC and ECDC case definition defines COvid 19 as being a Laboratory confirmed case of SAR CoV2 infection

Yes but a “case definition” does not mean that you have any illness at all

wadacrack

Good informative video. Vitamin D pretty important.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LXZTU9UbSc

c68zapdsm5i1ru

igCorcaigh wrote: »

That's my understanding too.

Detection of the SARS CoV2 virus does not mean in itself a diagnosis of Covid-19 disease.

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Not having a go a you op. Just a general observation.

Put people at risk of what?

Are you a confirmed 24/7 case of covid?

You have to have the virus to spread it

The thinking of people in general is interesting to say the least.

Obviously Dr Tony with his let’s all pretend we have the virus has sunk into some people s thinking

But that's the point. People don't know they have it until they develop symptoms. Before that they're spreading it unawares, which is why everyone is being asked to wear masks.

Eivor

bennyl10 wrote: »

Even though we don’t know long term affects.

But yes the positive doesn’t mean anything..

No one is saying that it means nothing. Someone who tests positive should still isolate to make sure they don’t spread it to anyone else. But it doesn’t necessarily mean that they are sick.

As for long term effects, we know it does little after a year anyway. Maybe it’s sleeping and will wake up in 20 years to kill all the “diseased” people then?

is_that_so

wadacrack wrote: »

Good informative video. Vitamin D pretty important.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LXZTU9UbSc

One and a half hours of it?! I got the message from your one sentence.

igCorcaigh

Transfer tests, to take place this Saturday in NI, have been cancelled.

dodzy

Nozebleed wrote: »

Fianna Fail and government partners are to blame for where we are at this moment in time. they are responsible for the sky rocket in numbers..and the inevitable deaths that will sadly follow. its the government ministers who should be held accountable. its time we forced a few of them out of office.

the lads hangin out in the garage aren't the problem. nor are the guards..they've enough on their plate day to day.

There is just no end to BS posts in this thread. It’s so tiring at this stage, really.

mandrake04

Deleted User wrote: »

Casedemic yadda yadda yadda from covid not with covid nonsense nonsense nonsense. Tiresome at this stage

This is what's going on in the UK, I would say a lot of covid deaths unreported there.







With growth still continuing and lag of deaths Jan and Feb will be a bloodbath.

This casedemic crap doesn't hold any water.

Doctor Jimbob

Happydays2020 wrote: »

There is no reason to panic. We know enough about the virus that the lockdown will suppress this surge.

Exams should go ahead. Simples. Run over a longer period if necessary as a contingency with leaving and junior on alternative days etc etc.

RTÉ is out there whipping up the worryometer.

People need to come to terms with the fact we could be stuck with this for a while yet. Not doing so is only going to make it harder to accept if we end up with more restrictions in the future. I'd agree with RTÉ taking things too far at times, the New Year show in particular was a joke, but the fact of the matter is that we (along with plenty of other countries) are in a worsening situation.

I genuinely hope I'm wrong, I hope we'll be out of this sooner and that exams will go ahead without any issues. We need to mentally prepare ourselves for the possibility of the shít hitting the fan too though.

Danzy

We are definitely on the way out of this pandemic but the toughest time looks like the next 6 weeks.

stephenjmcd

8am hospital numbers at 817.

Dashboard shows 74 admissions 67 discharges. No idea how that net adds up to 817 compared to yesterday's number, hospital outbreaks?

wadacrack

817, 74 admissions last 24 hours, 10 to ICU. 67 discharged

is_that_so

is_that_so wrote: »

Hmm, 4 weeks of eating, partying and socialising is all the government's fault?

We were at Level 5 until 18th December and only went to Level 3 at that stage so I don't think that was 4 weeks as the gastropubs and restaurants only opened then and closed again on Christmas Eve (the ones where I live).

By Government guidelines people were allowed to go shopping and go to restaurants. They were allowed visit family and have visitors in their home......again by Government guidelines. So anyone who did any the above was wrong???? In that case the messaging was SEVERELY WRONG and that is on the Government! People were denied the most ordinary pleasures in life for most of last year.
If our Government said we could see family and have a meal out or go Christmas shopping for 2 weeks then why is anyone surprised that people did that.
Why is the general public being demonized again and again and again?

We were locked up for 5 months last year when most of Europe was open. The restrictions never stopped, and more so if you live in Dublin. No wonder people enjoyed their Christmas and they did so within the guidelines of our Government.

So less demonizing and finger pointing. Its called living a tiny bit of your life, having a tiny bit of hope, its called being human.

titan18

stephenjmcd wrote: »

8am hospital numbers at 817.

Dashboard shows 74 admissions 67 discharges. No idea how that net adds up to 817 compared to yesterday's number, hospital outbreaks?

Ya, the numbers are stupid. I'm assuming it's 74 people admitted cos of covid but the 817 could be made up of people admitted cos of covid, admitted with something else and then tested as a precaution and found to have covid and people who caught it by being next to someone in the hospital who had it (a and e, wards etc)

Danzy

Danzy wrote: »

We are definitely on the way out of this pandemic but the toughest time looks like the next 6 weeks.

Just like the increase took alot be surprise, the drop will also

stephenjmcd

stephenjmcd wrote: »

8am hospital numbers at 817.

Dashboard shows 74 admissions 67 discharges. No idea how that net adds up to 817 compared to yesterday's number, hospital outbreaks?

Those who are admitted on Sunday evening for example and tested but dont get results until Monday morning are not a covid admission even though the reason they went in to hospital in the frist place may have been due to the condition related to covid

Hamsterchops

*WARNING*

Controversial ideas follow...

So, I was watching Sky News two nights ago and the author and commentator Peter Hitchins was part of "The Papars" panel from 11:30 to midnight.
Hitchins took me by surprise by stating that Corona Virus was not half as bad as we're led to believe, that most people won't get that sick and that the whole media response is hysteria!

Mr Hitchins also said the hospitals usually fill up this time of year anyway, so no change there. While he admitted that the virus exists, he basically thought the whole thing is an overblown storm in s teacup!

Weird, strange, odd & confusing when you hear such learned & public figure speak out against the tide :cool:

Not sure if he's a loan figure in such circles?
Obviously there are conspiracy theorists and virus deniers by the bucket load, but I think Hitchins ideas fall into another category which is somewhere between virus denial & total media -ed Immersion.

Danzy

Danzy wrote: »

We are definitely on the way out of this pandemic but the toughest time looks like the next 6 weeks.

Eh?

How can you say we are on the way out of this pandemic?

mandrake04

Only about 60 short of the peak on April 15th, basically back to April atm.

Hopefully avoid the nursing homes this time.

stephenjmcd

titan18 wrote: »

Ya, the numbers are stupid. I'm assuming it's 74 people admitted cos of covid but the 817 could be made up of people admitted cos of covid, admitted with something else and then tested as a precaution and found to have covid and people who caught it by being next to someone in the hospital who had it (a and e, wards etc)

Being admitted is your new into hospital so I'm just assuming here that the rest are already admitted and are hospital acquired infection, could be wrong though & wide of the mark. I gave up trying to understand the numbers a while ago.

wadacrack

titan18 wrote: »

Ya, the numbers are stupid. I'm assuming it's 74 people admitted cos of covid but the 817 could be made up of people admitted cos of covid, admitted with something else and then tested as a precaution and found to have covid and people who caught it by being next to someone in the hospital who had it (a and e, wards etc)

Not likely to be the case for the majority of cases given the positivity rate in the community. Numbers are needed when hospitals are almost at full capacity.


https://twitter.com/marietcasey/status/1346194182470307845

titan18

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We were at Level 5 until 18th December and only went to Level 3 at that stage so I don't think that was 4 weeks as the gastropubs and restaurants only opened then and closed again on Christmas Eve (the ones where I live).

By Government guidelines people were allowed to go shopping and go to restaurants. They were allowed visit family and have visitors in their home......again by Government guidelines. So anyone who did any the above was wrong???? In that case the messaging was SEVERELY WRONG and that is on the Government! People were denied the most ordinary pleasures in life for most of last year.
If our Government said we could see family and have a meal out or go Christmas shopping for 2 weeks then why is anyone surprised that people did that.
Why is the general public being demonized again and again and again?

We were locked up for 5 months last year when most of Europe was open. The restrictions never stopped, and more so if you live in Dublin. No wonder people enjoyed their Christmas and they did so within the guidelines of our Government.

So less demonizing and finger pointing. Its called living a tiny bit of your life, having a tiny bit of hope, its called being human.

Restaurants opened on the 4th I think and just cos the government allows something doesn't mean you have to do it. Im aware of plenty of people who took the piss. One person I know must have been 15 times in the few weeks they were open and was hopping from bar to bar with the 1 hour 45 minutes thing. Saw a group of people spend nearly 900 euro on a night out (8 at the table and that was definitely over 1 hour 45 mins).

howiya

Deleted User wrote: »

We were at Level 5 until 18th December and only went to Level 3 at that stage so I don't think that was 4 weeks as the gastropubs and restaurants only opened then and closed again on Christmas Eve (the ones where I live).

By Government guidelines people were allowed to go shopping and go to restaurants. They were allowed visit family and have visitors in their home......again by Government guidelines. So anyone who did any the above was wrong???? In that case the messaging was SEVERELY WRONG and that is on the Government! People were denied the most ordinary pleasures in life for most of last year.
If our Government said we could see family and have a meal out or go Christmas shopping for 2 weeks then why is anyone surprised that people did that.
Why is the general public being demonized again and again and again?

We were locked up for 5 months last year when most of Europe was open. The restrictions never stopped, and more so if you live in Dublin. No wonder people enjoyed their Christmas and they did so within the guidelines of our Government.

So less demonizing and finger pointing. Its called living a tiny bit of your life, having a tiny bit of hope, its called being human.

Gastropubs/restaurants opened on 4 December and closed 24 December so roughly three weeks