Another full lockdown looming? - mod warning in OP

weldoninhio

bubblypop wrote: »

It's Christmas weekend. How many people do you think want to work if they don't have to?
Monday they will transport them, to start vaccinating on Tuesday. Seems reasonable

I know my friend who has a haulage company would absolutely jump at the chance. His business has been decimated by stores being shut. Shut stores=no stock needed=No haulage=no money. His is not the only haulage company who’s currently on its knees. So I’m gonna say the government would have zero issue getting transport sorted this weekend, if they wanted it.

faceman

Allinall wrote: »

Please spell out the difference it would make if they had started vaccinating today.

The optics look very bad

- Everywhere in the EU started today, Ireland starts Wednesday

- Vaccination teams will only be working Monday to Friday, 9 to 5.

- It takes a team of 4 people to vaccinate 30 people in a day in nursing homes. That’s approximately 1 patient an hour per vaccine team member

Not really giving the sense of urgency that one would expect

Stheno

[Deleted User] wrote: »

But you shouldn't need to be told to not meet them. Surely people should have the cop on regardless of what 'level' we're in, to behave responsibly? We all know how the virus works.


If I'm an 'at risk' person, or I'm close to one, I'm not gonna go to a house party just because the government decide to pull back to level 1.

I think you've missed my point

I've worked from home for ten months now and not seen any friends in person since October as they all live outside Dublin

That gets lonely

weldoninhio

weldoninhio wrote: »

I know my friend who has a haulage company would absolutely jump at the chance. His business has been decimated by stores being shut. Shut stores=no stock needed=No haulage=no money. His is not the only haulage company who’s currently on its knees. So I’m gonna say the government would have zero issue getting transport sorted this weekend, if they wanted it.

I don't know the full details, but it does have to be transported at a certain temperature I believe. Also, there needs to be security and persons to give the vaccine.
I think a couple of days is pretty good to get going.

martingriff

faceman wrote: »

The optics look very bad

- Everywhere in the EU started today, Ireland starts Wednesday

- Vaccination teams will only be working Monday to Friday, 9 to 5.

- It takes a team of 4 people to vaccinate 30 people in a day in nursing homes. That’s approximately 1 patient an hour per vaccine team member

Not really giving the sense of urgency that one would expect

I agree with the start date.
The timing i am not too bother yes could be 12 hour day
I would not have a problem with r people per team in the nursing homes top priority is care for the person in the nursing home.
Hopefully as it goes to the groups it will be streamlined

Allinall

Why is everyone obsessed with optics?

faceman

martingriff wrote: »

I agree with the start date.
The timing i am not too bother yes could be 12 hour day
I would not have a problem with r people per team in the nursing homes top priority is care for the person in the nursing home.
Hopefully as it goes to the groups it will be streamlined

The only thing in our favour is that because every country is rolling out the vaccine more or less at the same time, we can see how other countries are progressing alongside Ireland.

I am not filled with confidence that some scandal or incompetency will emerge in ireland resulting in a quango or tribunal down the road.

GreeBo

GT89 wrote: »

All I am saying is it should be up to people themselves as to how much they want to sacrifice in order to prevent catching covid

But that is up to you. What's not up to you is how much you are willing to risk spreading covid to everyone else.

Seriously, this is pretty fundamental stuff that people should understand by now...:mad:

GreeBo

faceman wrote: »

The optics look very bad

- Everywhere in the EU started today, Ireland starts Wednesday

- Vaccination teams will only be working Monday to Friday, 9 to 5.

- It takes a team of 4 people to vaccinate 30 people in a day in nursing homes. That’s approximately 1 patient an hour per vaccine team member

Not really giving the sense of urgency that one would expect

It's going to take the guts if 365 days to get to everyone, I don't think starting 2 days earlier during Christmas is really going to make any difference? Unless of course we have people wilfully spreading it during a level 5 lockdown?

GreeBo

Stheno wrote: »

I think you've missed my point

I've worked from home for ten months now and not seen any friends in person since October as they all live outside Dublin

That gets lonely

And? Did you miss the global pandemic news?


I don't think you would have fared to well during the blitz.
"But I wanna go out!!"

Happydays2020

faceman wrote: »

The optics look very bad

- Everywhere in the EU started today, Ireland starts Wednesday

- Vaccination teams will only be working Monday to Friday, 9 to 5.

- It takes a team of 4 people to vaccinate 30 people in a day in nursing homes. That’s approximately 1 patient an hour per vaccine team member

Not really giving the sense of urgency that one would expect

Agree with all this, and not surprising that a good chunk of the apologists for the HSE on vaccine and timing, are the same people who want more restrictions and for those restrictions to last longer.

weldoninhio

GreeBo wrote: »

And? Did you miss the global pandemic news?


I don't think you would have fared to well during the blitz.
"But I wanna go out!!"

Pubs and dance halls were open during the blitz. As were shops and markets.

You probably thought that was a very witty statement, eh?

Happydays2020

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Agree with all this, and not surprising that a good chunk of the apologists for the HSE on vaccine and timing, are the same people who want more restrictions and for those restrictions to last longer.

A certain smugness radiates from their posts, securely working from home and saving more than ever with the commute scratched off. And I'm in no doubt they're not exactly blessed with many social graces either, so the hermetic existence is a boon to them. "More restrictions, extended lockdowns" is the jolly mantra. Those out of employment are expendable, mé féiners of the world unite to defend NPHET and the HSE at every opportunity. Rinse and repeat ad nauseam.

niallo27

GreeBo wrote: »

It's going to take the guts if 365 days to get to everyone, I don't think starting 2 days earlier during Christmas is really going to make any difference? Unless of course we have people wilfully spreading it during a level 5 lockdown?

This is just the start though, the very first thing they had to do and there is a delay, people said they would **** it up and they have not left us down.

99nsr125

agoodpunt wrote: »

the only good thing about covid 19 its eleminated the flu
blanket lockdowns are doing more damage soc/eco than the virus hope the govt dosent do it till jan cause i am out of here next week

Me bøllocks, all we've done is renamed the flu Covid and made the entire world pettrified

voldejoie

I'm not being smart but time is either of the essence, or it isn't.

We're back in level 5 restrictions and not able to see friends or family. Whether you personally find the restrictions difficult or not, I think if the situation is so serious as to warrant those measures you'd be wanting to get ahead as much as possible with the vaccine rollout.

I'd rather this all ends three days earlier than whatever the current projected "life gets back to normal" date.

GreeBo

weldoninhio wrote: »

Pubs and dance halls were open during the blitz. As were shops and markets.

You probably thought that was a very witty statement, eh?

They were open in between air raids, when there was an air raid everyone left and went to a shelter.

I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to determine the link between increases and decreases in air raids and lockdowns.

GreeBo

Deleted User wrote: »

A certain smugness radiates from their posts, securely working from home and saving more than ever with the commute scratched off. And I'm in no doubt they're not exactly blessed with many social graces either, so the hermetic existence is a boon to them. "More restrictions, extended lockdowns" is the jolly mantra. Those out of employment are expendable, mé féiners of the world unite to defend NPHET and the HSE at every opportunity. Rinse and repeat ad nauseam.

Yeah, that's it exactly. A bunch of people love the lockdown life and are influencing the Irish government (and the rest of the world)

This type of nonsense belongs in the conspiracy forum.

WoollyRedHat

Blut2 wrote: »

The talk earlier in the thread of everyone being vaccinated by March is insanely naive/wrong. The Sunday Business Post published an apparently very accurate schedule for Ireland a few days ago:



And thats if everything goes to plan and there are no delays, which is extremely unlikely. You can probably add months to that timeline in the real world.

Anyone advocating for a full lockdown in January has to accept that by doing so they're advocating for a full lockdown for most of 2021.

Restrictions will be gradually lifted from March onwards, then by end of June, from looking at infographic, we'll probably be at level 2 restrictions max, especially when Astrazeneca vaccine is on stream, we won't be in a full lockdown for most of 2021, that's a huge exaggeration.

GreeBo

GreeBo wrote: »

Yeah, that's it exactly. A bunch of people love the lockdown life and are influencing the Irish government (and the rest of the world)

This type of nonsense belongs in the conspiracy forum.

To be fair, IBEC have said (Xmas eve in the Irish times I think) that 80-85% of people are better off now after the lockdowns - either their PUP was higher than their income, or they have carried on working (substantially from home) and have increased their savings as no commuting and less socialising. Stories going around today of an expected surge in house prices as these savings are put to work.

The fact is that despite the very vocal nature of those against restrictions, there is no hurry from the majority to move out of them

weldoninhio

weldoninhio wrote: »

Mentions of NPHET or anyone in government in my post: 0.

I was talking about the doom mongers on here.

So you accept if the virus spreads & cases rise then it's likely hospilisations will rise?

Lockdowns have twice resulted in cases dropping..... Folks living normally without lock down will result in increased cases..... Sh1tting on about doom mongers won't change that.

GreeBo

Deleted User wrote: »

To be fair, IBEC have said (Xmas eve in the Irish times I think) that 80-85% of people are better off now after the lockdowns - either their PUP was higher than their income, or they have carried on working (substantially from home) and have increased their savings as no commuting and less socialising. Stories going around today of an expected surge in house prices as these savings are put to work.

The fact is that despite the very vocal nature of those against restrictions, there is no hurry from the majority to move out of them

"To be fair" though?
I agree with your post (well with the idea that many are better off) but don't see what that has to do with the idea that some people pining for a level 5 lockdown?

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

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The fact is that despite the very vocal nature of those against restrictions, there is no hurry from the majority to move out of them

Maybe as the majority don't want to see hospitals stuffed full and ambulances queuing up outside with folk needing medical attention that they likely won't get?

The majority love their pints, matches, concerts and craic too but lock down isn't just an Irish thing.

The majority know we'll be paying for this financially for decades some way or other also.

notwhoyouthink

GreeBo wrote: »

Yeah, you might want to go and actually read my post (hint, try to make it so the way to the last sentence!) before you blind yourself with outrage there chieferooney.
Kinda makes you look like a right tit at the moment...

My bad....

:cool:

weldoninhio

Augeo wrote: »

So you accept if the virus spreads & cases rise then it's likely hospilisations will rise?

Lockdowns have twice resulted in cases dropping..... Folks living normally without lock down will result in increased cases..... Sh1tting on about doom mongers won't change that.

Hospitalisations were crawling up very slowly when “cases” were getting bigger and bigger before the last lockdown. Cases mean nothing. It’s hospitalisations and ICU numbers we should be basing any lockdowns on.

WoollyRedHat

weldoninhio wrote: »

Hospitalisations were crawling up very slowly when “cases” were getting bigger and bigger before the last lockdown. Cases mean nothing. It’s hospitalisations and ICU numbers we should be basing any lockdowns on.

If you wait until you hit that breaking point it often becomes too late, with lives lost unnecessarily, which is no way to run a country. If there are signs that the electrical grid is overloading, you don't wait until the whole network buckles and potentially leave swathes of people without power, you intervene before you get to breaking point if it's within your power.

Happydays2020

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

If you wait until you hit that breaking point it often becomes too late, with lives lost unnecessarily, which is no way to run a country. If there are signs that the electrical grid is overloading, you don't wait until the whole network buckles and potentially leave swathes of people without power, you intervene before you get to breaking point if it's within your power.

Non essential retail is not the problem. Hospitality also a risk but that is now shut down.

The problem is house parties/family gatherings.

Blut2

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Restrictions will be gradually lifted from March onwards, then by end of June, from looking at infographic, we'll probably be at level 2 restrictions max, especially when Astrazeneca vaccine is on stream, we won't be in a full lockdown for most of 2021, that's a huge exaggeration.

According to the projected timeline they'll only be starting to vaccinate people in their late 60s in mid-March. And again, thats if anything goes perfectly to plan - which given the way the HSE is run is highly unlikely.

If the government wants to insist that lockdowns are as required as they have been to date then we're going to be in lockdown until the "key workers at high risk" section of the above chart are vaccinated. Which is currently estimated at mid-May, and likely to slip further.

Thats 5+ more months of lockdown. I shudder to think what people's mental states, or the number of missed cancer deaths, or lives ruined from economic loss, or the increase of suicides, will be looking like by then.

Cluedo Monopoly

Deleted User wrote: »

To be fair, IBEC have said (Xmas eve in the Irish times I think) that 80-85% of people are better off now after the lockdowns - either their PUP was higher than their income, or they have carried on working (substantially from home) and have increased their savings as no commuting and less socialising. Stories going around today of an expected surge in house prices as these savings are put to work.

The fact is that despite the very vocal nature of those against restrictions, there is no hurry from the majority to move out of them

There will be massive layoffs in 2021 across all sectors.

weldoninhio

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

If you wait until you hit that breaking point it often becomes too late, with lives lost unnecessarily, which is no way to run a country. If there are signs that the electrical grid is overloading, you don't wait until the whole network buckles and potentially leave swathes of people without power, you intervene before you get to breaking point if it's within your power.

But we weren’t hitting breaking point or getting anywhere near it. That’s. The. Point.