Gemma O'Doherty - Part 2 - Read OP for mod warning (06/01)

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120015673#Comment_120015673

We don't live in an opressive country, thankfully! Making that kind of stuff some kind of offence would play into the hands of conspiracy nutjobs like her

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120015684#Comment_120015684

Germany must be authoritarian then. I would have thought it would be EU wide at this stage It was a European problem. The nazis affected everyone at the time in some way.

Killinator

Yes, but you can probably guess why the Germans would be just slightly more on edge about that kind of thing!

SafeSurfer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120015673#Comment_120015673

Are we seriously suggesting that people should be put on lists for their beliefs in the context of the Holocaust?

Larbre34

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120016560#Comment_120016560

Beliefs? Wtf do you mean, beliefs?

Its not a matter of faith. There is only the truth and denial. The truth of the systematic extermination of a faith group, witnessed by millions, conspired in by millions more. Just because 77 years have passed doesn't make the history any more grey.

And of course holocaust deniers should be kept tabs on. Because they don't spread their debasing nonsense in isolation to other manifestations of hate. Your next door neighbour who works 50 hours a week and brings his kids to football training and enjoys a pint of a weekend isn't a holocaust denier.

Deniers are caught up in deliberate and hostile extremist hate behaviours and groupings, not only against Jews, but against Black people, Asians, Gays, Muslims, Migrants and probably Women and Academics and Journalists and liberal politicians.

You do not just dismiss holocaust denial as the ravings of a simpleton. You chase it down the drain pipe and see what else it leads to, both online and on the street.

Its a massive red flag.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120016631#Comment_120016631

Beliefs? Wtf do you mean, beliefs? 

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Deniers are caught up in deliberate and hostile extremist hate behaviours and groupings, not only against Jews, but against Black people, Asians, Gays, Muslims, Migrants and probably Women and Academics and Journalists and liberal politicians. 

You’re gonna need a bigger list…

Seventy years after the liberation of Auschwitz, two-thirds of the world's population don't know the Holocaust happened—or they deny it.

These beliefs follow some unexpected patterns, too. The Middle East and North Africa had the largest percentage of doubters, with only 8 percent of respondents reporting that they had heard of the genocide and believed descriptions of it were accurate. But only 12 percent of respondents in sub-Saharan Africa said the same, and only 23 percent in Asia. People in these groups were likely to say they believed the number of deaths has been exaggerated—just over half of Middle Easterners and a third of Asians and Africans think the body count has been distorted over time.

When the data is sliced by religious groups, the results are even more surprising: Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated. Muslims followed closely, and those two groups were distantly trailed by Christians, Buddhists, and those with no religion. In no coincidence, Hindus and Muslims were also significantly less likely to have heard of the Holocaust.

In almost every religious group, people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted, and they were less likely to know what the Holocaust is.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/05/the-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

SafeSurfer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120016696#Comment_120016696

So 92% of people in the Middle East and North Africa, 77% of people in Asia and 88% of people in Sub Saharan Africa should be put on a belief blacklist so they can be kept tabs on?

Seems reasonable.

tibruit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120016981#Comment_120016981

Ah yes. The machinations of the mind of a conspiracy theorist.

astrofool

They must be getting riled up with another of their heroes/false flags getting convicted for their part in the holocaust.

Former Nazi concentration camp secretary, 97, convicted of aiding more than 10,000 murders | World News | Sky News

SafeSurfer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120017084#Comment_120017084

Where is the conspiracy?

I am not the one making the absurd claim that someone who works 50 hours a week, who enjoys a pint cannot question a belief like the 6 million figure.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120017210#Comment_120017210

Ah, the old "just asking questions" shtick. It's fooling nobody. If you want to ask questions, go do some serious research.

pixelburp

Hmmm. If I merely enjoy a cup of tea, not pints, and only work 40 hours a week, can I have an opinion on 6 million dead jews as well? That is to say, that anyone who denies it happened or the numbers is a ghoul?

SafeSurfer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120017257#Comment_120017257

I am not asking any questions. I think that the suggestion that anyone who doesn’t share a belief be put a list to be kept tabs on is dangerous.

I am not denying the abhorrent murder of millions of Jewish people and others during the holocaust. Serious researchers still have many unanswered questions about the Holocaust. I’m not sure how researchers can be serious if they don’t ask questions.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120017298#Comment_120017298

And there's the gaslighting...

If you're interested, you can visit museums, pick up a popular history or sink your teeth into the ocean of scholarly research that's been conducted on the subject. Going on a forum virtue-signalling about the 6 million figure being a bit high is pathetically transparent.

But, you knew this when you wrote that post.

accensi0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120017298#Comment_120017298

List just 5 of those many questions.

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120017350#Comment_120017350

I can only think of one question serious researchers into the topic might have

Why with all the evidence we have around the holocaust would anyone deny it or seek to down play it. What possible justification or motivation could they have for denying it?

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120017365#Comment_120017365

I'm guessing here but maybe they're still working on exact numbers, ethnographic information, names of victims and the like. Precise details which take hard work and diligence to uncover. Now, I've no source for that. It's purely a guess.

Where the Gemmaroids come in is to question the whole concept of facts and science by introducing this malign narrative of collusion and corruption. We can even see these tactics on this site from time to time. They know that they can't go full on with the Holocaust denial. They have to lead to it. They'll begin by cherrypicking examples of things like bad behaviour from a Jewish group or the Israeli government (God knows there's plenty to work with there). They'll move onto the fact that 6 million seems awfully high and before you know it they're defending Nazis, attacking anyone who disagrees with them and using words like "Global elite" and other anti-Semitic dogwhistles.

Larbre34

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120017266#Comment_120017266

A ghoul? Maybe, but its irrelevant.

Definitely a bigot and a fascist though.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120017415#Comment_120017415

It can be many things; but there's something especially ghoulish about trying to "debate" the existence of 6 million jews like it might be a rounding error. Or indeed, if it's part of some antisemitic conspiracy masquerading as "just asking questions".

elperello

Hard to believe how a thread started to expose GD has become a platform for her bile.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120018360#Comment_120018360

Not at all. Shutting down dissent is de rigeur for these conspiracy types. Gish galloping is a very common tactic.

Larbre34

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120018234#Comment_120018234

Don't be fooled by the smoke and daggers.

salmocab

I love morons calling people sheeple.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120016981#Comment_120016981

No, that’s my point - arguing that anyone who doesn’t share a Western view of the Holocaust, would mean many people in the groups Labre mentioned, would end up on that list, many more outside of the West than the mere handful in the West. Ironically, it’s not all that different from what the Nazi regime aimed to achieve in the first place, which would explain why it hasn’t and won’t be done any time soon. I’d like to think ‘twas an ill-thought out excited utterance, than a serious argument.

Odhinn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120018153#Comment_120018153

Yep

Beasty

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Please try and resist replying to the re-reg trolls. Just report them and leave it to us to deal with, otherwise we have to go through posts to delete their quoted bile

francois

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120018385#Comment_120018385

Not surprised, rereg NP fanbois and edgelord Nazis trying to provoke people.

My French grandfather fought against these scum, he happily killed a few, the only good Nazi is a dead one . As he said he'd no issue killing people who happily shoved babies and children into suffering a slow 20 minute strangulation by hydrogen cyanide in a gas chamber.

Holocaust deniars are scum. I recommend the 9 hour film Shoah, it records the "banality of evil" by those who perpetrated and experienced it.

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120017399#Comment_120017399

Yep. There's still loads of details that aren't known. But they're just details. As far as the big picture goes, we know what happened.

It's like saying that we don't know exactly how many were killed in WW2 because we don't have precise death certificates for every person. Or what was the chain of events on a particular day in a particular part of a particular battle. What we do know is roughly how many died. And we know who won the battle and what the major events were.

Historians will always uncover new information that can add details but they're not going to change the overarching events that happened.

Faugheen

I would not be surprised to see Mattie McGrath associate himself with her soon. It starts with comparing the government to Nazi-ism (Gemma has a good track record of this) like he did over the COVID regulations, and lately he’s been going right down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole. His speech on Saturday during Leo Varadkar’s re-election as Taoiseach would be hilarious if it wasn’t so bonkers.

Dav010

Mattie might be a lot of things, but he is neither antisemitic nor a fool.