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Man Shot by Gardai in Clonee

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    #32
    tayto lover
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    ThewhiteJesus wrote: »
    seems very excessive if he only had a knife

    Maybe they should have shot the knife out of his hand like in the cowboy films?


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    #33
    Danzy
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    I am reading that tazers were used. How in the name of god did he not hit the deck after that, then be cuffed and removed from the scene.

    Strange.

    Not unusual at all.


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    #34
    Tzardine
    Registered Users Posts: 3,884 ✭✭✭Tzardine


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    I am reading that tazers were used. How in the name of god did he not hit the deck after that, then be cuffed and removed from the scene.

    Strange.

    It is quite common for tazers to be ineffective. Wearing big bulky clothing for example will often make them useless.


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    #35
    ThewhiteJesus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,714 ✭✭✭ThewhiteJesus


    tara2k wrote: »
    Much harder to hit someone on the leg. If you miss the leg, that stray bullet could cause damage to someone else. This man was probably shot one and he continued to resist arrest, so they shot him again. Good police work in my book.

    i hear you honestly i just find it weird, the garda could have been 100% right for all i know, but it just feels excessive until we hear all the details, i haven't seen anything about him stabbing anyone just threatening and then walking home and getting tasered and then shot 5 times in his front garden


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    #36
    Tzardine
    Registered Users Posts: 3,884 ✭✭✭Tzardine


    I have just seen a video of the shooting.

    Totally justified. He was swinging at the cops with the knife.


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    #37
    Samsonsmasher
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    ThewhiteJesus wrote: »
    well if the garda did it unlawfully he'll get prosecuted himself so i hope for his sake there was a stone clad necessity to do it

    The guy was armed with a knife and wouldn't put it down so he was shot. 100% justified.


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    #38
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    I am reading that tazers were used. How in the name of god did he not hit the deck after that, then be cuffed and removed from the scene.

    Strange.

    Easily done. He was probably wearing a heavy jacket, chunky sweater underneath, t-shirt under that etc


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    #39
    ThewhiteJesus
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    Maybe they should have shot the knife out of his hand like in the cowboy films?

    that would be impressive to be fair


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    #40
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    Tpcl20 wrote: »

    seeing the force with which the stupid gurriers on the Luas throwing bottles were manhandled off it.
    .

    Well deserved.


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    #41
    Samsonsmasher
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    ThewhiteJesus wrote: »
    i hear you honestly i just find it weird, the garda could have been 100% right for all i know, but it just feels excessive until we hear all the details, i haven't seen anything about him stabbing anyone just threatening and then walking home and getting tasered and then shot 5 times in his front garden

    The Gardaí should have let him stab somebody and then shot him?


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    #42
    Pkiernan
    Registered Users Posts: 4,310 ✭✭✭Pkiernan


    ThewhiteJesus wrote: »
    I'm an expert in knives i make them.

    An "expert" who has no idea how quickly knives can cause fatal injuries.


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    #43
    gctest50
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    ThewhiteJesus wrote: »
    totally agree, but from what i've read the chap didn't seem in his right mind,
    or highly agitated as the IT put it, if he was shot in his garden who was he going to hurt ? Must be more to it

    Well they wouldn't want to have to follow him into the house if he went in and started slashing up the wife n kids and whoever else was in there

    Having to follow him into the house will end in a mess

    Get all slashed up for what ? A weeks wages ?


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    #44
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    Maybe they should have shot the knife out of his hand like in the cowboy films?

    Easily done. After all, they are trained to use the gun.


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    #45
    Samsonsmasher
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 610 ✭✭✭Samsonsmasher


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Easily done. After all, they are trained to use the gun.

    Police train to shoot into the centre mass - the chest and torso.


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    #46
    ThewhiteJesus
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    gctest50 wrote: »
    Well they wouldn't want to have to follow him into the house if he went in and started slashing up the wife n kids and whoever else was in there

    yes fair point


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    #47
    Tzardine
    Registered Users Posts: 3,884 ✭✭✭Tzardine


    Samsonsmasher wrote: »
    Police train to shoot into the centre mass - the chest and torso.

    For the person that said shoot the legs.

    I just saw the video.

    He was still standing and swinging the knife at gardai after 4 shots to the body.

    The 5th shot took him down.


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    #48
    delly
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 7,683 Mod ✭✭✭✭delly


    For anyone interested, the tueller principle explains how quickly a knife wielding attacker can get to you, therefore is a factor in when to administer lethal force.


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    #49
    Captain Lugger
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    We'll have to see the detail but frankly if a situation has deteriorated enough to get the 'armed bastids' out then he deserved what happened.


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    #50
    Strumms
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    Tpcl20 wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/man-dies-after-being-shot-by-garda%C3%AD-following-standoff-in-co-dublin-1.4447470

    He was wielding a knife in his garden and the gardaí tried to subdue him with non-lethal force before they shot at him five times, hitting him three times and killing him.

    His family were in the house at the time but have been brought elsewhere.

    A crazy situation with a very unfortunate outcome. Stuff like this happens here rarely enough that it's still shocking to me. I hope this isn't a precedent, especially after seeing the force with which the stupid gurriers on the Luas throwing bottles were manhandled off it.

    I know the Gardaí like everyone else are at the end of their tether at the moment, but there's a worrying increase in violent apprehensions of offenders. Fair enough if it's warranted, but that guy literally brought a knife to a gun fight.

    A knife is a deadly weapon. They tried to use non lethal force, that wasn’t successful in bringing an end to the dangerous situation...

    The responsibility for the man being dead, is on the man himself.

    The Gardai need to protect themselves and the family. I’d imagine they gave him every encouragement, support and help to disarm and come peacefully.

    Also there must have been a catalyst of sorts to them shooting him, using lethal force, either he posed a threat to the Gardai or he was attempting to go into the house to his family, in either scenario he needed to be stopped, he had a knife so unfortunately only one safe way of doing that....


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    #51
    RoryMac
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    Tzardine wrote: »
    I have just seen a video of the shooting.

    Totally justified. He was swinging at the cops with the knife.

    Yeah wildly swinging the knife at the guards near him, feel sorry for the guard having to deal with this


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    #52
    Samsonsmasher
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    Elite Genetics wrote: »
    For a guaranteed kill.

    No.
    To incapacitate an armed and dangerous person.
    If he didn't want to die he could have not gone around waving a knife and when the cops arrived surrendered and dropped the knife.
    Pretty simple to understand.


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    #53
    ElJeffe
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    monkeysnapper wrote: »
    its so sad really ... he threatened staff at a shop with a knife and then did same to uniformed Gardai. And was later shot and died.

    RIP

    What's sad about it?


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    #54
    Captain Lugger
    Registered Users Posts: 45 ✭Captain Lugger


    RoryMac wrote: »
    Yeah wildly swinging the knife at the guards near him, feel sorry for the guard having to deal with this

    I imagine there will some sort of handwringing statement from some left winger as to why a poor working class lad couldn't innocently swing a knife about the gaff without the wicked guards getting involved...


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    #55
    Witcher
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    Captain Lugger wrote: »
    I imagine there will some sort of handwringing statement from some left winger as to why a poor working class lad couldn't innocently swing a knife about the gaff without the wicked guards getting involved...

    Twitter is already afire with it.

    'Black man shot by Gardai...' Christ


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    #56
    Tzardine
    Registered Users Posts: 3,884 ✭✭✭Tzardine


    The guy that was shot was black.

    There is a black lives matter protest happening at blanch garda Station now.


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    #57
    Collie D
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    Tzardine wrote: »
    The guy that was shot was black.

    There is a black lives matter protest happening at blanch garda Station now.

    FFS That’s the last thing we need.


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    #58
    Captain Lugger
    Registered Users Posts: 45 ✭Captain Lugger


    Tzardine wrote: »
    The guy that was shot was black.

    There is a black lives matter protest happening at blanch garda Station now.

    Oh FFS. I'm not an "All Lives Matter" WUM but being black or whatever doesn't give anyone a free pass to endanger other people's lives.


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    #59
    ThewhiteJesus
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    Captain Lugger wrote: »
    Oh FFS. I'm not an "All Lives Matter" WUM but being black or whatever doesn't give anyone a free pass to endanger other people's lives.

    yet you singled him out for his "class"


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    #60
    ThewhiteJesus
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    like i said earlier, that garda would want to have a watertight reason for frankly murdering a man in his own garden.


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    #61
    Tzardine
    Registered Users Posts: 3,884 ✭✭✭Tzardine


    ThewhiteJesus wrote: »
    like i said earlier, that garda would want to have a watertight reason for frankly murdering a man in his own garden.

    Eh have you seen the video of the shooting?


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