George Nkencho shooting *Mod warning Added to OP*

vicwatson

vicwatson wrote: »

I suppose the question for the investigation will be why the pepper spray and tazer didn’t work appropriately and why the gardai felt the need to shoot.

Nothing else for me to say really

The Gardaí could easily have been in fear for anyone with him in the house if a siege situation developed. The reaction from both sides in this is depressing.

theguzman

vicwatson wrote: »

I suppose the question for the investigation will be why the pepper spray and tazer didn’t work appropriately and why the gardai felt the need to shoot.

Nothing else for me to say really

Either way there is alot of corrupt barristers, lawyers and NGO Leftwing agitators and Racists rubbing their hands with glee tonight.

furiousox

tdf7187 wrote: »

To be fair, a stag killed a fella in Cork as well, so there were two.

Possibly race motivated too.

tdf7187

tdf7187 wrote: »

Can you post some links please for the benefit of those of us not on Facebook and Twitter?

Ok I had a look. It's unreal, there are dozens of them. Most of them seem to be white females, fwiw.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/GeorgeNkencho?src=hashtag_click

James Brown

Eric Cartman wrote: »

the gardai followed non lethal escalation procedures, appealed multiple times to drop the knife, it takes a special level of dumb to continue brandishing a knife with a gun or 3 pointed at you,

we don't need that level of dumb in the world.

Or mental illness?

Thats what 'defund the police' in the states is about. More money on training and how to deal with mental illness instead of shoot or don't.

Kraftwerk

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Perhaps shoot the knife out of his hand?

Easy.

Why shoot at all? A roundhouse kick to the head would resolve any situation.

Witcher

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

One shot to the leg and the man is down and out. Still alive though.

Thanks Rooster Cogburn

Would ya do it with the eyepatch on aswell?

Bunny Colvin

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

One shot to the leg and the man is down and out. Still alive though.

You try and get a leg shot when someone is acting maniac like he was. You're trained to aim for the torso and neutralise the threat as quick as possible, which is what the Gardaí did.

statesaver

vicwatson wrote: »

I suppose the question for the investigation will be why the pepper spray and tazer didn’t work appropriately and why the gardai felt the need to shoot.

Nothing else for me to say really

The toxicology report may or may not shed some light

DwightSchrute1

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

One shot to the leg and the man is down and out. Still alive though.

Ya and the Guard should have held the gun sideways to maximise his coolness.

An Ri rua

It appears he was swinging a machete. That's not a knife. A blade, sure.
But at close quarters, more lethal than handguns in putting the opponent down.
If he swung a machete at a member of the public, and injured them, that alone warrants being winged. If the gap between them and him closed too quickly (his fault most likely, unlike Abbeylara which was AGS fault), then a trained officer would have no other option except to put him down. And they did. Although you'd imagine a series of shots to the torso and stay away from the head. Although he was always in trouble once taking bullets.
How did he stab with a machete? Did he stab? Or are people on here talking through their hoops again.
My thoughts are with the poor man's family and equally with the Gardaí ón scene and their families. And the shooter. Not an ideal Christmas for them is it?? But they're doing it on behalf of all of us so that we don't have to arm ourselves.
A handgun is f*ck all good if a mental case is bearing down on you with a machete. You'd better be quick and precise.

Danzy

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Perhaps shoot the knife out of his hand?

Easy.

Shoot the hanging basket chain and let it fall in his head knocking him out cold.

.G.

Having seen the video I can say he defo went at the guards swinging the knife like a mad man but also that the guards need some serious target practice. 5 shots before they actually took him down!

I'd say shoot him in the leg and that should be that but seems they aren't good enough at shooting!

Eric Cartman

Bowie wrote: »

Or mental illness?

Thats what 'defund the police' in the states is about. More money on training and how to deal with mental illness instead of shoot or don't.

No. No , you cannot justify not shooting this man. They hit him with a tazer, pepper spray and allegedly a bean bag, then shot when he lunged. There is absolutely nothing that justifies this thug remaining alive

Spanish Eyes

theguzman wrote: »

Either way there is alot of corrupt barristers, lawyers and NGO Leftwing agitators and Racists rubbing their hands with glee tonight.

Feck them. Race doesn't come in to it at all. A moron is a moron end of story.

They can agitate all they like, but they will be in an echo chamber amongst themselves I reckon.

And if any politician or public figure makes any comment on this incident I will be appalled. Because that doesn't happen usually does it? Watching and waiting...

Hercule Poirot

Bowie wrote: »

Or mental illness?

Thats what 'defund the police' in the states is about. More money on training and how to deal with mental illness instead of shoot or don't.

Mentally ill or not if someone is a threat to life then they need to be taken down - the guy had already stabbed one person and was looking to add to his tally, the right course of action was taken

ExMachina1000

Bowie wrote: »

Or mental illness?

Thats what 'defund the police' in the states is about. More money on training and how to deal with mental illness instead of shoot or don't.

Gardai didn't shoot until the man lunged. Negotiation, pepper spray and taser had already been tried.
Youd almost swear some people would prefer if the media were reporting the death of a garda this evening as opposed to a man who happens to be black.

Go watch the video

KaneToad

Dressoutlet wrote: »

I don't know why the Gardai didn't attempt a non lethal shot, ie, to his leg or something. I'm a fierce supporter of BLM but this is not a case of a black man was shot for being black. This is a black man stabbed a civilian and then attempted to stab members of The Gardai. He was pepper sprayed and tased as well. The only question I have is to the killing of him. Black, White or Asian I don't think shooting someone dead is ever a good outcome

There was no guard there who wanted this outcome.

.G.

.G. wrote: »

Having seen the video I can say he defo went at the guards swinging the knife like a mad man but also that the guards need some serious target practice. 5 shots before they actually took him down!

I'd say shoot him in the leg and that should be that but seems they aren't good enough at shooting!

Wrong. They’re trained not to. Shooting at limbs can lead to a missed shot or a bullet passing completely through and hitting someone else.

Really wish people would consider why suspects don’t get shot in the limbs in real life rather than lament that they should be.

gw80

DwightSchrute1 wrote: »

Ya and the Guard should have held the gun sideways to maximise his coolness.

If the movies have taught me anything it's a tea towel can be used to disarm a guy with a knife also,

Suckit

An Ri rua wrote: »

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How did he stab with a machete? Did he stab? Or are people on here talking through their hoops again.
My thoughts are with the poor man's family and equally with the Gardaí ón scene and their families. And the shooter. Not an ideal Christmas for them is it?? But they're doing it on behalf of all of us so that we don't have to arm ourselves.
A handgun is f*ck all good if a mental case is bearing down on you with a machete. You'd better be quick and precise.

Apparently he broke managers nose. No stabbing. Gardai went after him and the rest is on video all over the internet

Gaoth Laidir

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

It will be interesting to see how the media handle this in the next few days

With idiotic statements like below, it doesn't matter what the media say. People will jump to their own conclusions regardless of any facts that they have (or don't have yet). But that's the way society is nowadays. Full of people like this...

Bonniedog wrote: »

Could be our George Floyd moment!

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/man-dies-after-being-shot-by-garda%C3%AD-following-standoff-in-co-dublin-1.4447470

atr2002

Gatling wrote: »

Shouldn't have shot him dead ,no doubt we'll see demands for a full public enquiry as usual in theses cases ,

He was still swinging the knife after the first 3 shots..

Drugs are a hell of a drug

Witcher

.G. wrote: »

Having seen the video I can say he defo went at the guards swinging the knife like a mad man but also that the guards need some serious target practice. 5 shots before they actually took him down!

I'd say shoot him in the leg and that should be that but seems they aren't good enough at shooting!

The level of accuracy firing in response to a threat which was demonstrated today vastly exceeds the level which has been noted in studies of the subject.

NYPD stats;

https://infogram.com/nypd-hit-rates-1h7z2l1y5wvy4ow

And you'll find a link to a 2008 Rand study on the subject here;

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/may/25/shannon-watts/do-more-7-10-police-bullets-miss-their-mark-gun-co/

Lundstram

Only Tweet I seen that sums it up. I don't care what colour, gender or nationality they are. They deserved a bullet, Gardai had to protect themselves and their colleagues at all costs. Tasers are not always effective.

https://twitter.com/cosainireland/status/1344336822659330048

theguzman

Watch gofundme have page in support of the dead thief, such a page for the guard who had to kill him for public safety will be publicly deleted. I'd love to trick the morons on the left into somehow donating their money to the guard instead.

washman3

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

And if any politician or public figure makes any comment on this incident I will be appalled. Because that doesn't happen usually does it? Watching and waiting...

Saoirse McHugh is on the case already.....:(

KaneToad

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

One shot to the leg and the man is down and out. Still alive though.

Not quite. You don't necessarily fall down when you're shot. It's not Hollywood.

It's often sepsis that kills you.

walshb

Bowie wrote: »

Or mental illness?

Thats what 'defund the police' in the states is about. More money on training and how to deal with mental illness instead of shoot or don't.

What, you think the cops should have maybe consulted a psychiatrist during the madness of this man lunging at them with a deadly weapon?

theguzman

Lundstram wrote: »

Only Tweet I seen that sums it up. I don't care what colour, gender or nationality they are. They deserved a bullet. Tasers are not always effective.

https://twitter.com/cosainireland/status/1344336822659330048

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