George Nkencho shooting *Mod warning Added to OP*

Lumen

tara73 wrote: »

I never used a gun in my life, so no expert, but I learnt earlier you aim for the 'mass', means the abdomen or chest. so if that happened, one can be pretty sure that person is done (not necessarily dead), but immediately out of order? so still no need to fire 5 gunshots?

But just came to my mind maybe they fired 4 warning shots, he got even more agitated and the last, the fifht shot was the fatal one. Think that's the most explainable scenario.

The most likely reason for 5 shots is that at least half of them missed.

Shooting at a person is an incredibly stressful situation, and even a well trained garda will not do it often enough (thank god) to be in any way detached.



Source: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/may/25/shannon-watts/do-more-7-10-police-bullets-miss-their-mark-gun-co/

PintOfView

The man who was shot was apparently lunging at people/guards with a large knife.
That's a serious situation, in which someone could be badly injured or killed.
Not clear if shooting him was avoidable, or if it was the only option to prevent him hurting someone else.
That guard did not set out to kill someone that day, and he/she is a victim as well.
The exact sequence of events will likely become clear in time, right now we can't be 100% sure.
It's tempting to see the background of the deceased man (alleged prev convictions, etc) as justification for the outcome, but what happened in the seconds before he was shot in the only thing that's relevant to whether shooting was justified or not.
One thing to remember is that this man had a family, I see a mother and brother mentioned. For them this is not just a news story, and they deserve some sympathy.
I can't yet see how the man's race was a factor in what happened.
I accept there is racism in Ireland (as everywhere), and that non-white people will experience racism to a greater or lesser extent. Is that acceptable? No, it's not. Was it a factor here? I can't see that it was!
Do I see people trying to shoehorn their own agenda into this story? Looks like it (on multiple sides)!

Mike Murdock

rocketspocket wrote: »

there is a SF activist on twitter giving her input; don't know how high up she is.. https://twitter.com/drorfh/status/1344563257173045249

As expected. Next will be the line that access to Mental Health treatment in Ireland is "systemically racist".

NIMAN

Is there a certain time its starting at?
Only about 20 there.

Jinglejangle69

NewMan1982 wrote: »

I actually don’t know what point you are making. You just seem to be asking non stop questions and offering nothing back. It’s a discussion forum.

They have been warned not to comment too much id say.

Think one of the councillors did and that was it.

malinheader

rocketspocket wrote: »

there is a SF activist on twitter giving her input; don't know how high up she is.. https://twitter.com/drorfh/status/1344563257173045249

Only person needs help is the utterly stupid person who posted this.
Be embarrassed if I was a sinn fein representative

hynesie08

NIMAN wrote: »

Is there a certain time its starting at?
Only about 20 there.

3 o clock. 39 is probably delayed because it's a racist bus.....

Effects

This one looks a bit dodgy: https://www.gofundme.com/f/in-loving-memory-of-george-nkencho?utm_campaign=p_cp+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link_all&utm_source=customer

Parabellum9

GardaBrutality wrote: »

Very convenient for the guards this all happened the day level 5 was introduced

Yes how convenient for them this asshole decided to wait until level 5. Poor attempt at trolling, 1/10

NIMAN

malinheader wrote: »

Only person needs help is the utterly stupid person who posted this.
Be embarrassed if I was a sinn fein representative

Love her very Irishy first name and very Scottish Protestant surname:D

GardaBrutality

GardaBrutality wrote: »

Very convenient for the guards this all happened the day level 5 was introduced

That was yesterday actually, but nice try.

nullzero

rocketspocket wrote: »

there is a SF activist on twitter giving her input; don't know how high up she is.. https://twitter.com/drorfh/status/1344563257173045249

The same Sinn Fein who want to get rid of the special criminal court so their buddies don't get prosecuted?

ElJeffe

Parabellum9 wrote: »

Yes how convenient for them this asshole decided to wait until level 5. Poor attempt at trolling, 1/10

1/10, is very generous

Beltby

GardaBrutality wrote: »

Very convenient for the guards this all happened the day level 5 was introduced

Conspiracy forum - - - - - - - - - >

Mimon

GardaBrutality wrote: »

Very convenient for the guards this all happened the day level 5 was introduced

Oh man.

danois

This is an unfortunate situation for all parties. I feel for his family because even though it seems he may have had a criminal background he was still a son, brother friend. His family have a right to grieve and be angry at their loss. They don’t have a right to invite more violence or threaten the Garda that was doing his job.

I haven’t seen the video but it seems to me from the accounts I’ve heard it was a justifiable shooting. I feel for the Garda that fired it. It is his job and he’s trained for it and in theory knows what is going to happen. Having lived it now will be hard for him. He has now taken a mans life. That’s going to be hard to deal with for him. I hope he gets proper counselling and is able to move on with his life.

Ireland is unfortunately a racist country. Not in the majority but there are some racists. We have White Racism and we have Black Racism. It’s unfortunate but it’s true. I think a situation like this will give both sides a chance to whip up a frenzy and it will be used as an excuse for violence. This is where things get bad. This is when racism is exagerated and it actually leads to more racism and more racists. Racism will never end as long as it’s always surrounded by violence.

This in my opinion wasn’t a racist related shooting at all. It was a criminal and a guard they could have been purple and green and the outcome would have been the same.

malinheader

NIMAN wrote: »

Love her very Irishy first name and very Scottish Protestant surname:D

As mixed up as she is.

Effects

PintOfView wrote: »

The man who was shot was apparently lunging at people/guards with a large knife.

Great first post. It only took you to come along, after 3000 odd posts, to let us all know that the deceased was lunging at Gardai with a knife.

GardaBrutality

GardaBrutality wrote: »

It's not trolling but it suits the gardai that law abiding people are less likely to congregate now than any other time due to covid

FYP

Larbre34

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

Maybe not in AGS but 'warning shots' and 'containing shots' are taught in the Defence Forces, so they do exist and do have a place in the graduation of responses.

When something happens on the battlefield, we'll give you a call.

The Gardaí DO NOT fire warning shots. They absolutely DO NOT fire them on a street of semi detached homes full of people.

How do I know? A close and intimate relative of mine IS a specialist armed Garda, not involved in any way in this incident.

So concerned are Garda management at the risk of innocent bystanders getting caught up in any engagement of live firing by their Members (mainly driven by armed patrolling of Kinahan/Hutch flashpoints), they withdrew and replaced all their 9mm ammunition last year and spent a large amount replacing it with reduced power and less fragmentation options, so that if they shoot someone, its more likely the bullet with enter the target and stay there without fragmenting and leaving the body in pieces at unpredictable angles, potentially hitting someone else.

So, when it came to the suspect the other day, they only shot him 5 times (and we don't know how many of those shots impacted him) , because it took 5 shots to get him to stop what be was doing and to put him on the ground. No warning shots, he was long past warnings by the time a Garda discharged a firearm.

Parabellum9

GardaBrutality wrote: »

It's not trolling but it suits the gardai that people are less likely to congregate now than any other time due to covid

Suits everyone really but it’s not like these wannabe wankstas are paying any notice to the restrictions anyway.

ElJeffe

rocketspocket wrote: »

there is a SF activist on twitter giving her input; don't know how high up she is.. https://twitter.com/drorfh/status/1344563257173045249

Rest In power???

Mwengwe

crossman47 wrote: »

I used to think that about O'Doherty but now I find I agree with him a lot of the time. Hes certainly on the money in his opposition to the cancel culture.

No such thing

Parabellum9

ElJeffe wrote: »

Rest In power???

Black King, subservient white female foaming at the gash to fawn over them. An utterly deluded and stupid little girl.

Necro

Mod:

Don't feed the trolls folks. Now banned

Acosta

Akesh wrote: »

This is nothing to do with racism and everything to do with the far left desperately trying to align themselves with whatever the flavour of the month is in the US.

Brid Smith, Roderic O Gorman, Sinn Fein, Lynn Ruane, Paul Murphy, Ruth Coppinger etc are nothing but charlatans trying to destabilise society.

Woke politics is a pervasive cancer in society and it needs to be dealt with.

Unfortunately this thread has a lot to do with racism with the mods regularly having to clean it up and ban people for posting utter filth.

I'd be slow to say the incident itself had anything to do with racism. I do think it's fair enough to question the level of force used by the Guards. That's something that would always be investigated when someone is killed anyway.

Kermit.de.frog

I often wonder about SF.

I know some shinners myself - none strike me as the woke politics type - very much the opposite! A couple are the biggest racists you'll meet while the rest thread a very thin line.

They seem way out of touch with their base, the ones I know anyway.

MrMusician18

rocketspocket wrote: »

there is a SF activist on twitter giving her input; don't know how high up she is.. https://twitter.com/drorfh/status/1344563257173045249

I really don't think a SF activist has the moral authority to lecture anyone on the wrongs of shooting someone in their garden.

nullzero

NIMAN wrote: »

Love her very Irishy first name and very Scottish Protestant surname:D

In Scots Gaelic Campbell means Crooked Mouth.

ShamNNspace

carq wrote: »

Rte lunchtime news - lets see how its reported


Edit- 5 minutes news for some reason. No mention of the story.

Thats rte for you where the(ir) truth matters now more than ever