George Nkencho shooting *Mod warning Added to OP*

walshb

punisher5112 wrote: »

One would need to question what do people actually want out of this as if we follow the USA then more black people kill black people then white people and it's a huge huge number in the difference.

Do we want this here.....

For the massive majority of people, they simply want attention..

Vast majority could not give a flying fook about the man that was shot dead..

gozunda

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No, it doesn't.

There may be a case regarding a threat against AGS but it absolutely does not fall under hate speech.

Maybe you would be good enough to explain why you think portraying an entire group of people as racists and killing all black people (as was detailed previously) or wtte does not constitute hate speech?

Samsonsmasher

tara73 wrote: »

thanks for that as this video doesn't seem to be available anymore.


reading this, doesn't sound very good to me. if it's the case, why start shooting at the guy entering the house? With the back to the guards, going away from them. He went into his home, not into another shop with danger to take hostages. strange, is that a right procedure?

watched the video again, the one only with the shoots clearly audible. it's right, about 5 seconds altogehter. the first 4 shots more quickly after another, the fifth one with a pause of approx. 3 seconds...I can't help, but I find it chilling..

Before the angry man with their own agenda come out raging again how somebody can question the guards here: Yes, I can. It might not possible for you to imagine there's something like analytical, objective thinking/questioning without any biased view possible, yes there is, and shock horror, I'm doing it, if you like it or not:)

For simple people, it must be simple, like black or white. (sorry, no pun intended, honestly:D), one or the other, the poor black guy being a victim of racism or the untouchable guards.

This guy was a scumbag, yes, no doubt about it. But this doesn't exclude that the guards have overreacted and there wasn't the need to kill him. unable him, yes, but not at all kill him. That's what I question by hearing this five shots.

The guy came swinging at the Gardaí with a big knife and got himself justly shot and killed.
How hard is that the understand?
Why is this still being debated?
It's completely bizarre.

nullzero

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

The guy came swinging at the Gardaí with a big knife and got himself justly shot and killed.
How hard is that the understand?
Why is this still being debated?
It's completely bizarre.

White man with gun = always evil.

Black man with machete = always innocent.

At least that appears to be the thought process.

Ultimately these people are absolutely obsessed with race.

Beechwoodspark

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

That go fund me page should be shut down at this stage.

Which one?
https://www.gofundme.com/f/in-loving-memory-of-george-nkencho
Or
https://www.gofundme.com/f/72z2pw-funeral-costs-for-george-nkencho

I certainly won't be voting for any politicians who have came out and shown sympathy or condolences for the man subdued.

Rte have shown themselves for what they are; incompetent hacks cosplaying as journalists.

The usual suspects are here falling over themselves to defend actual racism while hurriedly performing Olympic level mental gymnastics to try and call everyone else a racist.

At least the BLM protests today showed that it's mostly online virtue signallers who, in real life, limit their outrage to showing how progressive they are online and would no doubt be the first to call the police if there were the same crowd rioting outside their house. Keyboard warriors.

It's a disgusting incident but none of my sympathy goes to George.

JJayoo

bubblypop wrote: »

The gardai have released a statement. There is now an active investigation.
It's not the job of AGS to keep nosey people involved in their investigations. Thankfully.

Nosey people....while their are basically riots going on in Dublin

ohnonotgmail

Heckler wrote: »

Not having a go at the Gardai at all I wouldn't do their job in a million years.

Google image Irish Gardai. Then do the same for french and german police.

European police forces are scary. I've never felt safer than walking around Barcelona, Paris, Frankfurt etc. with these lads around. Lille train station with soldiers strolling about. I'm not advocating a police state far from it just a police force that can do its job.

Our lads and ladies need a serious overhaul in uniform and equipment. They look like crossing guards. I don't buy into the unarmed police "policing by consent".

Maybe before. Not anymore. And no politician has the balls to address this. Harris.

I'd much rather live in a country where the police dont need to go around armed and dressed like soldiers.

boardz

Has a point......

https://twitter.com/swamp_nugget/status/1287135859666550786?lang=en

Steve012

walshb wrote: »

The Gardai can damn well stop gangs intimidating and terrorizing people..

And if they can’t, then god help us..

And isn’t loitering an offence? Loitering with intent?

Yes the Garda indeed can break up gatherings due to loitering, especially loitering with intent.

If they choose too..

Jimbob1977

Genuine question.

Nigeria isn't in the European Union and there is no right to freedom of movement.

Neither is there a state of war in Nigeria.

On what grounds are there some many West Africans in Ireland, especially North and West Dublin?

Is it from British citizenship or similar?

Suckit

Deleted User wrote: »

Which one?
https://www.gofundme.com/f/in-loving-memory-of-george-nkencho
Or
https://www.gofundme.com/f/72z2pw-funeral-costs-for-george-nkencho

The goal for the one set up by Katie B keeps going up.

nullzero

nullzero wrote: »

White man with gun = always evil.

Black man with machete = always innocent.

At least that appears to be the thought process.

Ultimately these people are absolutely obsessed with race.

He wouldn't hurt a fly

It was a butter knife.

Should have used a net to catch him.

Police don't shoot white men.

Black doesn't mean thug (actually a trending thing yesterday)

Mind boggles.

walshb

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I'd much rather live in a country where the police dont need to go around armed and dressed like soldiers.

So would I..

But maybe people would feel a lot safer from scum if our police had that presence..

There’s no right/wrong answer here...

I would not at all be worried/concerned if our force were armed.

I am not a criminal..

UDAWINNER

I don't remember any protests at the shooting of Mark Hennessy, I wonder why?
What was the difference, both had a knife.

NewMan1982

tara73 wrote: »

thanks for that as this video doesn't seem to be available anymore.


reading this, doesn't sound very good to me. if it's the case, why start shooting at the guy entering the house? With the back to the guards, going away from them. He went into his home, not into another shop with danger to take hostages. strange, is that a right procedure?

watched the video again, the one only with the shoots clearly audible. it's right, about 5 seconds altogehter. the first 4 shots more quickly after another, the fifth one with a pause of approx. 3 seconds...I can't help, but I find it chilling..

Before the angry man with their own agenda come out raging again how somebody can question the guards here: Yes, I can. It might not possible for you to imagine there's something like analytical, objective thinking/questioning without any biased view possible, yes there is, and shock horror, I'm doing it, if you like it or not:)

For simple people, it must be simple, like black or white. (sorry, no pun intended, honestly:D), one or the other, the poor black guy being a victim of racism or the untouchable guards.

This guy was a scumbag, yes, no doubt about it. But this doesn't exclude that the guards could have overreacted and there wasn't the need to kill him. unable him, yes, but not at all kill him. That's what I question by hearing this five shots.

You remind me of another poster earlier on today who chose to ask questions and it came across very disingenuous.

What is your opinion on it? How many shots would you have fired?

malinheader

punisher5112 wrote: »

One would need to question what do people actually want out of this as if we follow the USA then more black people kill black people then white people and it's a huge huge number in the difference.

Do we want this here.....

What these scumbags want is to be let do and say and act however they want even if it is antisocial or against the law and they will not be held accountable or prosecuted because they are a minority and should be treated differently.
And as you can see by the reaction of the media at the minute they might even succeed.

Steve012

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

Genuine question.

Nigeria isn't in the European Union and there is no right to freedom of movement.

Neither is there a state of war in Nigeria.

On what grounds are there some many West Africans in Ireland, especially North and West Dublin?

Is it from British citizenship or similar?

Two words.

Mary Robinson

Gothic Insanity

Sarcozies wrote: »

That's good to hear. I wouldn't mind seeing a little fund for the black man in the red jacket seen in the videos yesterday trying to break up assaults also-- tremendous courage.

That lady was so lucky him and his three friends were there.

Steve012

Steve012 wrote: »

Yes the Garda indeed can break up gatherings due to loitering, especially loitering with intent.

If they choose too..

Would you like to link to the act that defines that offence?

ohnonotgmail

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I'd much rather live in a country where the police dont need to go around armed and dressed like soldiers.

Agreed.

So you would agree with strict immigration laws and use of lethal force to violent thugs who are welding weapons and are a threat as a deterrent to stop repeat offenses?

Good stuff

olestoepoke

Witcher wrote: »

Even the Gardai can't order people to go home.

Are you sure about that? Don't we have laws related to public order?

Steve012

bubblypop wrote: »

Would you like to link to the act that defines that offence?

E.G
I was 16 , about 20 of us used to hang around shops as kids do, shop owner complains, Garda come and moved us on.. That happened a good few times when I was younger.

Steve012

bubblypop wrote: »

Would you like to link to the act that defines that offence?

E.G
I was 16 , about 20 of us used to hang around shops as kids do, shop owner complains, Garda come and moved us on.. That happened a good few times when I was younger.

Witcher

olestoepoke wrote: »

Are you sure about that? Don't we have laws related to public order?

Yes I am sure of that. Gardai cannot order someone to go home.

walshb

olestoepoke wrote: »

Are you sure about that? Don't we have laws related to public order?

Yes. We do. Public order act 2003..

Deals with a range of issues/offences that were on display yesterday.

Witcher

walshb wrote: »

Yes. We do. Public order act 2003..

Deals with a range of issues/offences that were on display yesterday.

The Criminal Justice (Public Order) Act, 2003 covers closure orders against premises.

Try again.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2003/act/16/enacted/en/html

dodzy

Our stupidly generous welfare system has fueled a dire situation in this country, and it’s been happening for years. It’s only going one way, particularly here in Dublin. Free money, free homes, children’s allowance and endless entitlements in abundance. It’s a shîtshow.

Titzon Toast

Some shocking videos going around of gangs of "protesters" attacking innocent people all over Blanchardstown. Where are the Gardai? How are they being allowed to do this?

Mr.burgess

Witcher wrote: »

Yes I am sure of that. Gardai cannot order someone to go home.

Yes they can its the public order act i was arrested a few times over it a long time ago now