George Nkencho shooting *Mod warning Added to OP*

GarIT

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

You could say “yeah, sorry I must have misremembered, there isn’t actually such a bill in consideration”.

I would if that was the case.

GarIT

john4321 wrote: »

On a forum I am not allowed to challenge or question a statement from another poster? It's not Twitter.

Nor is it the Hague.

BryanMartin21

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

To think that there are people - including politicians and public representatives - that would still claim racism, police brutality, lack of training etc. on behalf of AGS and that poor George wouldn’t hurt a fly after watching that is extremely worrying.

Call them out. Report anything they post online as hate speech or as inflammatory nonsense as that is exactly what it is. Don't get wound up or try to argue with idiots as that gives them legitimacy. Report as many online posts across platforms as possible where they try to claim what happened to your man was an injustice of some sort. It is stirring hatred, pure and simple. So report it. On boards, report people for inflammatory posting and / or trolling if they do it.

Cilldara_2000

GarIT wrote: »

I would if that was the case.

The fact that you can’t find any source or link that there is such a bill indicates it is the case.

GarIT

BryanMartin21 wrote: »

Call them out. Report anything they post online as hate speech or as inflammatory nonsense as that is exactly what it is. Don't get wound up or try to argue with idiots as that gives them legitimacy. Report as many online posts across platforms as possible where they try to claim what happened to your man was an injustice of some sort. It is stirring hatred, pure and simple. So report it. On boards, report people for inflammatory posting and / or trolling if they do it.

I don't think there is a way to report something after it had been deleted. Hazel Chu has deleted her tweet saying that this was a racist attack by Gardaí. I'd love to get her for that.

Titzon Toast

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No there won't.


Again 99% of people see what this is. There is no race element in this shooting.



What I do worry about is the triggering(trigger as in launching, or setting them off) of a anti-black movement/vigilantes/ basically white scumbags who want to beat up black or non-white people.

I bet that there will be, I hope I'm wrong though.
Easy access with the M1 and train lines into the town, along with a large percentage of African families living here.

We'll soon find out I suppose.

Davaeo09

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

The fact that you can’t find any source or link that there is such a bill indicates it is the case.

Gar I think Cilldara is really into you :rolleyes:

Cilldara_2000

Davaeo09 wrote: »

Gar I think Cilldara is really into you :rolleyes:

Sure why not? Anything to make sure we don’t let truth get in the way of the hyperbole.

Bigmac1euro

Titzon Toast wrote: »

I bet that there will be, I hope I'm wrong though.
Easy access with the M1 and train lines into the town, along with a large percentage of African families living here.

We'll soon find out I suppose.

I feared this last night tbh. But there wasn’t any trouble that I’m aware of.
The last thing we need is the Canada goose brigade coming out swinging digs and making us all look racist and creating a divide.

Ha Long Bay

GarIT wrote: »

I'm not arsed ingaging in your confrontational way of approaching things at Half one in the morning. It wasn't a lie but I'm not arsed wasting my time trying to search for it when I could be sleeping. You have a link there saying the minister for justice is considering treating people as children for sentencing until they are 25 and for the records of convictions to be erased at 25. If that's not good enough/close enough fine.

Minister for justice is saying she's considering it. Somethibg like that would require a bill to be passed so it's not far fetched to just let it go and assume it's being worked on.

You made a statement:


"There is actually a bill in consideration to trial people as children until they reach 25"


I only asked a source for that nothing else. I think I am allowed to do that?

Can we get the thread title updated to "attempted murderer shot dead in self defence".

Shop thief gives the impression he was shot for robbing a shop.. he doesn't deserve to be implied a martyr in any form of media.

BryanMartin21

GarIT wrote: »

I don't think there is a way to report something after it had been deleted. Hazel Chu has deleted her tweet saying that this was a racist attack by Gardaí. I'd love to get her for that.

She's obsessed with twitter and it demands some sort of knee jerk reaction. It's such a toxic app. But I think she is a good person, just a bit simple and misguided. Still, if she deletes it then fine, it's just a post on an app and she is allowed to learn from a mistake. In general, the way to deal with it is to just report it as hate speech.

GarIT

john4321 wrote: »

You made a statement:


"There is actually a bill in consideration to trial people as children until they reach 25"


I only asked a source for that nothing else. I think I am allowed to do that?

You accused me of lying 3 times and called it fake news. You did a lot more than ask for a source.

touts

Daragh1980 wrote: »

I think I know why the Left have not expressed sympathy for the shop manager.

Because of his position, they consider him a boss.

The Left don’t approve of

Bosses
Police
Private property etc

So if anything bad happens to a boss, a Garda or someone who owns their own house, the Left don’t care.

Also explains why they shed no tears for Garda Colm Horkan or my elderly neighbours who were attacked by a travelling gang in 2018 and are now shadows of their former selves.

Certainly to promote their ideology the left have always preached hatred of anyone even one step up the ladder from you. Of course when the left come to power that changes from hate those even one rung above you to fear those even one rung above you.

But to achieve the fear required for socialism to come to power, true power, it requires a revolution. It requires violence on the street. Elections never give the absolute power socialists crave because elections also happen after they come to power so they can lose that power. Fear is never truly present and therefore power is never truly absolute when the people can vote them out in a few years. So the left are stoking up the social unrest because it is the only way for them to reach that absolute power. There has never been a socialist state that did not have to resort to violence to hold power once the people inevitably recognised the empty shell that is Marxism and changed their mind. However to use that violence in governing the regime requires it to be present at the formation of the regime.

So far from opposing the sort of violence we have witnessed in the last 48 hours the Irish left will sit on the sidelines stoking it. After a few years of stoking division when they judge the moment opportune they will send in their stazi enforcers to "restore order". Then they will eliminate the constitution, for the good of the people. They will start with the elimination of property rights but buried in the act will be the elimination of democracy and personal rights. It is as predictable now as it was a hundred years ago when the twin cancers of Socialism and National Socialism were again on the rise.

Ask any of the thousands of hard working "new" Irish who moved here from Eastern Europe. They will tell you all about the left. They will tell you about the fear. They will warm you that the divisions developing now are classic Marxism revolutionary strategy.

And they will also warn you about the hard right and that the political spectrum isn't a line it is a circle. Socialism and National socialism are either sides of an imaginary join on that circle. They will warn you that the for democracy to survive the center must fight to protect it and to protect center values. A little from the left and a little from the right. Cherry pick the best but always while defending democracy and law. If we don't stand up now and fight the rule of law and the right of the Gardai to defend that law (as they clearly did in this case when dealing with a dangerous armed criminal) then in 10 years the badge on the police uniform will be the Shamrock & Swastika or the Plough & Stars and their guns will be pointed at us.

GarIT

BryanMartin21 wrote: »

She's obsessed with twitter and it demands some sort of knee jerk reaction. It's such a toxic app. But I think she is a good person, just a bit simple and misguided. Still, if she deletes it then fine, it's just a post on an app and she is allowed to learn from a mistake. In general, the way to deal with it is to just report it as hate speech.

Nah, she has made her career off race baiting, blaming white people for everything and turning a blind eye when the group's she champions do anything wrong.

She has refused to apologise for the comment or to express sympathy for the victim. But has expressed condolences for George.

GarIT

gilberto_eire wrote: »

Can we get the thread title updated to "attempted murderer shot dead in self defence".

Shop thief gives the impression he was shot for robbing a shop.. he doesn't deserve to be implied a martyr in any form of media.

I also haven't heard anywhere for definite that he was robbing the shop. Just that he attacked one of the staff and threatened others.

Titzon Toast

Bigmac1euro wrote: »

I feared this last night tbh. But there wasn’t any trouble that I’m aware of.
The last thing we need is the Canada goose brigade coming out swinging digs and making us all look racist and creating a divide.

Absolutely, it's the last thing we need, but as I posted earlier, folk are organising a protest march in Balbriggan on Sunday.

I predict trouble.

Bigmac1euro

Titzon Toast wrote: »

Absolutely, it's the last thing we need, but as I posted earlier, folk are organising a protest march in Balbriggan on Sunday.

I predict trouble.

I don’t think it will get the numbers. I hope I’m right.

GarIT

Bigmac1euro wrote: »

I don’t think it will get the numbers. I hope I’m right.

There's a huge crowd from the US egging it on on twitter. A friend of mine was just saying how lucky we are with covid that we don't have people coming over here to provoke or protest like with the abortion referendum.

MrsBean

Just on the 18-24 year olds things. It's a youth justice strategy, not a bill. It involves extending the bail supervision scheme for 18-24 year olds in order to avoid where possible sending them to prisons where they are more likely to develop recidivist tendencies. It is not the same as trying and adult in court as a child. It's about developing a more progressive justice system. Sorry but it was annoying me and I knew the answer. Google 'youth justice strategy 2020-2026' if you want to read it.

Titzon Toast

Bigmac1euro wrote: »

I don’t think it will get the numbers. I hope I’m right.

Believe me, I hope you're right too. Time will tell I suppose.

GarIT

MrsBean wrote: »

Just on the 18-24 year olds things. It's a youth justice strategy, not a bill. It involves extending the bail supervision scheme for 18-24 year olds in order to avoid where possible sending them to prisons where they are more likely to develop recidivist tendencies. It is not the same as trying and adult in court as a child. It's about developing a more progressive justice system. Sorry but it was annoying me and I knew the answer. Google 'youth justice strategy 2020-2026' if you want to read it.

If it's implemented without a bill facilitating it I'll eat my hat.

Snake Plisken

Titzon Toast wrote: »

Absolutely, it's the last thing we need, but as I posted earlier, folk are organising a protest march in Balbriggan on Sunday.

I predict trouble.

That would be an illegal gathering under current Covid restrictions, I expect anyone turning up to this will have the law applied to them.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

The guys was given asylum here and that's the thanks he gives.

I was in Vegas getting a cab to the airport with a friend of mine and we were talking to the (female) cab driver. It's not a long journey but she was upset because her son had just been sent to prison for 3 years. At 17 he was found with some weed, at 19 he stole a car, and most recently at 22 he stole a DVD. Nevada has the 3 strikes you're out rule, or three convictions, it's three years in prison.



On the flight home, my friend and I discussed it and agreed that maybe the 3 strikes you're out policy works or maybe it doesn't, but agreed:


- If you have 2 convictions and a 3rd means jail, you'd have to be pretty dumb to risk incarceration over a DVD.
- Maybe 3 convictions is "too small" for "Do not pass go, go directly to jail", but surely after about 4-5 it should trigger a response. My next door neighbour had 65 at one stage. He glassed a bouncer and local gossip says he went to Australia. The deceased had 35. It doesn't need to be 3 strikes and you're out(or straight into jail), but surely 35 strikes and you're out is too much?

Ten of Swords

GarIT wrote: »

There is actually a bill in consideration to trial people as children until they reach 25.

john4321 wrote: »

You said:

"There is actually a bill in consideration to trial people as children until they reach 25."

I have never seen anything like this being proposed even though you stated is as fact.

john4321 wrote: »

You said:

"There is actually a bill in consideration to trial people as children until they reach 25"

I asked for a singe example or proof of this as I could not find any thats all.

Where did you see this or did you make it up?

john4321 wrote: »

what you said was:

"There is actually a bill in consideration to trial people as children until they reach 25"

john4321 wrote: »

Still nothing to backup your statement though?

"There is actually a bill in consideration to trial people as children until they reach 25"

Any links to that or was it a lie?

john4321 wrote: »

You made a statement:

"There is actually a bill in consideration to trial people as children until they reach 25"

I only asked a source for that nothing else. I think I am allowed to do that?

Let it go or the pair of you can take it to PM, back on topic please

Tpcl20

Hazel Chu's tweet
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:T1w5g7uj7wkJ:https://twitter.com/hazechu/status/1344367123464925187+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ie

Titzon Toast

Snake Plisken wrote: »

That would be an illegal gathering under current Covid restrictions, I expect anyone turning up to this will have the law applied to them.

Are you taking the piss? Seriously?

Snake Plisken

Titzon Toast wrote: »

Are you taking the piss? Seriously?

Why you are sending mixed messages? Do you want this March to go ahead because I certainly don't!

Snake Plisken

Snake Plisken wrote: »

That would be an illegal gathering under current Covid restrictions, I expect anyone turning up to this will have the law applied to them.

Covid restrictions have not been written into law.


We repeatedly hear of Gardai not having the powers to do x,y, and z. Up to and including dispersing crowds.

bilbot79

Kind of tired of this already. Those protesting are angry and will be constantly reassuring each other that there was a terrible injustice here. However it will eventually fizzle out as they come to terms with the event and realize this what happens when people take these actions