George Nkencho shooting *Mod warning Added to OP*

whisky_galore

Guerillabear wrote: »

Irish times:

“Nigerian government office calls shooting ‘wicked’; Irish Nigerians ‘extremely angry’”

If relations between Ireland and Nigeria deteriorated, would we be worse off in any way? I know we export a lot of Guinness to Lagos, but i’m not aware of any other arrangements we have with them.

Maybe they'd stay away from this wicked island in future.

Be right back

Not sure if this has been shared.

boombang

Burkie1203 wrote: »

"Why in this case"

Eh because if he didn't fire his weapon he would be dead now probably.

https://twitter.com/RuthCoppingerSP/status/1344344887894933505?s=19

I'm totally with the Gardai on this case and don't have a high opinion of Coppinger, but this tweet shows she's been misquoted in this thread. People have said she tweeted he had a knife, but was unarmed, which is a ridiculous contradiction. She tweeted that he was unarmed other than the knife. While this is a clear attempt to play down the fact that he had a very large knife and was trying to bury it members of AGS, it's a qualified not a contradictory statement. I think we should criticise the Tweet for what it actually says.

She's still indulging in wreckless grievance stoking.

NewMan1982

Lumen wrote: »

It's great that you haven't experienced frequent and pernicious racism where you live, but that doesn't discount the possibly that other people living in other places have done.

Also, you are both acknowledging that racism is used here, and at the same time saying that's it's not a racist country, but the accounts of racism I've read from Irish born black people haven't included the statement that "this is a racist country", they've just been relating their own personal experiences, which you seem to acknowledge are possible.

So I don't think there's really that much of a gap here.

Racism exists everywhere, including here, and we should not tolerate it. Do you disagree?

Regarding your last paragraph. I agree that racism should not be tolerated. It needs to be consistent though and apply to all races.

Accusing people of being racist when there is no evidence is not acceptable either.

This shooting for example. The narrative that has been created that it is racially motivated is unacceptable.

When the investigation is complete and assuming the Garda is cleared then I think a tough statement is needed from our leaders saying race can’t be used to get favourable outcomes. Worded much better than that though.

Kivaro

It was strange turning on the news this morning to hear RTE almost screaming down at us to stay at home and warning us of the 9,000 Covid cases in the coming days, and then they report that a candlelight 'vigil' is being held all over the country due to the death of a criminal thug bully. So I'm confused, can there be more than 10 people at these country-wide 'vigils'? And why are they allowed to publicly flout the rules that the rest of us must abide by?

It was also disappointing to hear that the Gardai are taking a stand-off approach to the reported cases of disturbances as a result of these protests; apparently we are told they want to defuse the situation. If white people are being racially abused and possibly assaulted due to the colour of their skin, then the Gardai need to act and protect the public. Standing-off to placate protestors, some of whom are displaying the same tendencies of the shot criminal, is wrong.

2020 has been a miserable year; 2021 is certainly starting off a bit surreal. The politicians who supported the claims that the Gardai were racist for saving their own lives have a lot to answer for.

nullzero

Burkie1203 wrote: »

"Why in this case"

Eh because if he didn't fire his weapon he would be dead now probably.

https://twitter.com/RuthCoppingerSP/status/1344344887894933505?s=19

Does Ruth Coppinger actually believe the things she says or is she another Paul Murphy type cretin playing to the gallery?

walshb

Grayditch wrote: »

Ruth Coppinger is a good person and does good things for the community, but I feel she dropped the ball badly here. She deleted her post on Facebook and as far as I can see so did Brid Smith. Can't help but estimate they have lost a massive amount of support from the community by throwing the Gardai under the bus before an investigation is made. Its just a bad, bad move.

A good person would never have jumped in here with both feet so quickly to take sides, and to undermine the very people who are charged with ensuring we ALL can have a chance to live peacefully..

Her comments were very clear, thought out and devious..

Not to mention extremely dangerous and inciting!

Good person my arse!

NewMan1982

Tipperary animal lover wrote: »

Ebun Joseph has used them words.... ireland as a whole is a racist country, have a check on twitter plenty of tweets saying ireland is racists, one I remember ireland is the racist country in Europe, of course racism exists in this country I've said that in my last post but I'll say again as a whole ireland isn't a racist country, come here work hard integrate and life can be great. Of course we as a couple had our issues but life goes on, I don't want to play the victim life is to short, life's not a bed of roses for anyone it's what you make it.

If this person said that then is that not a racist comment in itself? Can I for example say Nigeria is a racist county?

weldoninhio

Lumen wrote: »

Americanisms, eh? To which state would you like to be deported?

The etymology is actually British, colloquially “butty” (companion) in the coal mines.

Try again buddy.

Grayditch

walshb wrote: »

A good person would never have jumped in here with both feet so quickly to take sides, and to undermine the very people who are charged with ensuring we ALL can have a chance to live peacefully..

Her comments were very clear, thought out and devious..

Not to mention extremely dangerous and inciting!

Good person my arse!

I think they were careless and hasty, why else would she have deleted them if they were so thought out? I don't think that makes her devious, but whatever.

walshb

Grayditch wrote: »

I think they were careless and hasty, why else would she have deleted them if they were so thought out? I don't think that makers her devious, but whatever.

They were deliberate, thought out and malicious..

No surprise with these people. Anti everything..

Dangerous people..

Lumen

weldoninhio wrote: »

The etymology is actually British, colloquially “butty” (companion) in the coal mines.

Try again buddy.

Since you asked so nicely.

Grayditch

walshb wrote: »

They were deliberate, thought out and malicious..

No surprise with these people. Anti everything..

Dangerous people..

Ok, why delete them then?

CrazyFather1

The Oort Cloud wrote: »

She should be sacked immediately the idiot woman, in my personal opinion. Imagine her having further control of our country, we'd be all fully doomed.

When would she have control of anything?
She is a mouth piece that won a few votes based on housing years ago, once in Dail she done f**k all and dropped all the poor people she dragged around to get elected. Rightly got kicked to touch in last election and no idea how the waster got into the Seanad.

It does bring back the question about the Seanad when you have wasters like this in it, it should be shut down now

walshb

Grayditch wrote: »

Ok, why delete them then?

Ask her...

Samsonsmasher

malinheader wrote: »

Amazing how no political party have not come out in support of the gardai. The government should be supporting the actions of our law enforcers especially when you see the kind of scumbag they had to deal with.
Really see bad times ahead unless the politicians and local representatives don't start to condemn and authorize actions against these hate spreading wannabe boyz in the hood types. Be interesting to see how far these so called marches are let go.

This nonsense will hopefully peter out when these idiots get tired and are starved of attention. GSOC will conclude it's investigation and there'll be an inquest in the coroner's court both sometime before the end of the year. By that time most people will have forgotten it ever happened. It will be doubtless an open and shut case of a justifiable use of force.

Guerillabear

Anyone have an idea of how long the GSOC investigation should take?

GarIT

Guerillabear wrote: »

Irish times:

“Nigerian government office calls shooting ‘wicked’; Irish Nigerians ‘extremely angry’”

If relations between Ireland and Nigeria deteriorated, would we be worse off in any way? I know we export a lot of Guinness to Lagos, but i’m not aware of any other arrangements we have with them.

No. That's only positive news

Grayditch

walshb wrote: »

Ask her...

You had a lot of answers but I guess this one got away. Fair enough.

GarIT

Guerillabear wrote: »

Anyone have an idea of how long the GSOC investigation should take?

18-24 months.

GarIT

Heart Break Kid wrote: »

Not exactly, some TDS have stepped up and made donations to the shop worker, others have stated to a certain extend that they support Garda and the difficult choices they sometimes have to make but most and rightly so have not and should not say anything until the investigation is finished.

It’s also difficult to support one side without being lumped in with actual racists and people that actually sit on the far right.

It's madness that people are afraid to do the right thing because they might be called racist.

The Oort Cloud

What I don't get is this... The brother on that tweet earlier talking about justice and death threats to gardai and at the end of it he laughs as it's a party with no visible sign of him distraught of the loss of his brother?. so how the feck can this guy stand there laughing at the end of his tweeter video on microphone with a smile and a laugh with his crowd?. ****ing bunch of gangsters is all they are. 'When we find him yeah' say's it all while he is happy laughing after the threat.



No you won't find him, because he is very well protected from you and your gang members and will also be fully protected on this Island.

Guerillabear

GarIT wrote: »

18-24 months.

Jesus. They’ll be campaigning for “justice” until then 😫

riffmongous

Lillyfae wrote: »

I didn’t know that the Gardaí were qualified to diagnose someone.

The fact that there doesn’t seem to be a name for the mental health issues makes it likely that he was just a violent person. Like describing a child having a tantrum as having behavioral issues.

Really wish they would stop describing a machete as a knife aswell. It’s closer to a sword.

They weren't diagnosing him, they were confirming that it was known to them.

Why would a Garda source give out the details of an illness? And if the guards aren't qualified to diagnose you certainly arent either

walshb

Grayditch wrote: »

You had a lot of answers but I guess this one got away. Fair enough.

Nothing got away.

I am not her. Only she can say why she deleted them..

Not sure why you looking to know, or why it is relevant here..

Hercule Poirot

riffmongous wrote: »

They weren't diagnosing him, they were confirming that it was known to them.

Why would a Garda source give out the details of an illness? And if the guards aren't qualified to diagnose you certainly arent either

The only "evidence" we have of this mental illness are claims by his brother and sister, who aren't qualified either

whisky_galore

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

This nonsense will hopefully peter out when these idiots get tired and are starved of attention. GSOC will conclude it's investigation and there'll be an inquest in the coroner's court both sometime before the end of the year. By that time most people will have forgotten it ever happened. It will be doubtless an open and shut case of a justifiable use of force.

Leave them at it, chanting in the cold, no interaction from gardai it'll get very boring for them. Once RTE and co stop sending out cameras to cover them and a few hard frosts will send them scurrying indoors.

GarIT

NewMan1982 wrote: »

If this person said that then is that not a racist comment in itself? Can I for example say Nigeria is a racist county?

She is openly racist against whites. Gives lectures to influencers on how to appear the victim and has been consulted by the gov before on race issues. She is a lecturer in UCD.

Lumen

Guerillabear wrote: »

Anyone have an idea of how long the GSOC investigation should take?

Investigation reports here. Maybe look for similar cases

https://www.gardaombudsman.ie/publications/investigation-reports/

Effects

Lillyfae wrote: »

Really wish they would stop describing a machete as a knife aswell. It’s closer to a sword.

It’s not really closer to a sword. You’re just trying to sensationalise it.