George Nkencho shooting *Mod warning Added to OP*

corks finest

GarIT wrote: »

Plenty of reports saying he was assaulted without a weapon and the store manager managed to run away while George was pulling out the weapon.

Does it matter? Intent was there

ExMachina1000

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Promoting crime and disorder.
A real addition

Ireland is a small country i agree mate so why not leapfrog this great land and see how your ideals and educated rhetoric is welcomed by the americans.. i dont have whatsap with good reason myself but seeing the stuff on a mates phone today says alot..i can see now why pat kenny and people in clontarf as two examples are against a percentage of affordable housing nearby...ghetto fabulous..

GarIT

Kimbot wrote: »

Well what I seen wasn't on social media, to me it looked like a slash to the side of the man's mouth but with so much blood around it then it's possible he was only beaten and not slashed. Regardless the little runt went to the shop and attacked someone while in possession of a dangerous weapon.

The picture taken from a Millwall football match 4 years ago that has been shared thousands of times as the victim now?

If the rumours that the victim has received death threats (which isn't far fetched when there is a video of them at the door shouting "death to white bastards")from our black community it makes sense he wouldn't want to show his face or have his name shared.

Feisar

Mules wrote: »

I've been impressed by the reaction from fine fail representatives and pleasantly surprised by the reaction from sinn fein representatives. Some fine fail councillors have openly described the protests as intimidation. I suppose fine fail aren't exactly known for wokeness

In fairness Sinn Féin are used to dealing with Black and Tans!

(To soon?)

Mules

Feisar wrote: »

In fairness Sinn Féin are used to dealing with Black and Tans!

(To soon?)

TheChizler

corks finest wrote: »

Does it matter? Intent was there

If it doesn't matter why resort to exaggeration and false claims? Relay the truth, it's bad enough already.

Mimon

Feisar wrote: »

In fairness Sinn Féin are used to dealing with Black and Tans!

(To soon?)

Not too soon but too unfunny.

GarIT

corks finest wrote: »

Does it matter? Intent was there

No, it's just worth getting right. And that he likely doesn't have knife injuries. I'd rather be punched than cut or stabbed tbh.

rusty cole

rusty cole wrote: »

Ireland is a small country i agree mate so why not leapfrog this great land and see how your ideals and educated rhetoric is welcomed by the americans.. i dont have whatsap with good reason myself but seeing the stuff on a mates phone today says alot..i can see now why pat kenny and people in clontarf as two examples are against a percentage of affordable housing nearby...ghetto fabulous..

We've a good country here. I'd like to keep it that way. There are whole swathes of Paris and London and other cities that are no go areas.

Multiculturalism is a good thing, but sometimes you need to reassess where we are at and where we are going. As I see it now, there are hoardes of disenfranchised people in direct provision schemes with animosity building at the treatment. The narrative of unfair treatment will be very dangerous going forward. We are a small country with limited resources and maybe we are biting off more than we can chew.

Nozebleed

any video footage from the spar? the scene of the horrific attack on the manager during work.

GarIT

Nozebleed wrote: »

any video footage from the spar? the scene of the horrific attack on the manager during work.

No

Northernlily

Northernlily wrote: »

Clown. Priveleged, oppressed yada yada. All the buzz words and excuses. Couldn't watch anymore than 2 minutes.

This guy has a real hatred of the country. A lot of anger in his comments and voice.

He has uploaded a video a year ago without a mask.

Seems he only came to Ireland last year... no doubt as a fake asylum seeker on a commercial flight.

NSAman

MontgomeryClift wrote: »

A Jamaican living in Dublin speaks out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-k1AdFnLbc

Always someone else’s fault.

His attitudes while I agree with the laziness and useless media, blame everyone else and give him a source to blame others to justify criminality.

As an immigrant myself I would never use the racism against myself to justify criminality of any sort.

Funny the only racist incidents that have happened to me have been black perpetrators. Do I view all blacks in the same way? Of course not.

You rise above it, you work harder to prove you deserve to be in the country who accepted you. You integrate, you develop yourself, you adjust. You don’t bring the badness of your cultural upbringing with you. You focus on the best and try to be the best.

You can criticise injustice, but you never justify criminality.

blanch152

TheChizler wrote: »

Initial reports said the knife was produced from a pocket after the assault, someone on Facebook who works in the shop and claims to have witnessed it said he was punched and the knife appeared after. I'm not taking that claim as 100% true yet but there's more going for that course of events than the "slashed with a machete" version. At best all we can say is we don't know, anyone not involved who claims to know better with no evidence is BSing IMO.

BTW that picture you claim is the guy in Dublin has been widely disbunked as someone in the UK after a football related incident. The Dublin guy is (wisely IMO) not publishing his injuries online.

I'm automatically suspicious of the intentions of people adding embellishments without evidence, especially when attempting to paint the narrative in one direction. That goes for the extremes on both "sides". It's bad enough without having to exaggerate.

Nobody deserves to be shot dead.
Nobody deserves to see their brother/son shot dead in front of them.
Nobody deserves to have to shut their business with people inside because a group of people are outside banging on the door shouting racist slogans.
Nobody deserves to go to work and be assaulted by someone trying to rob their business
Nobody deserves to end up in hospital after being assaulted at work (a punch would hardly leave him in hospital?)
Nobody deserves to sit on a bus in fear of their lives while an angry crowd shouts slogans at them and stops the bus
Nobody deserves to be minding their own business and get caught up in a "peaceful" protest and end up in hospital
Nobody deserves to have their peaceful trip to a shopping centre ruined by a group engaged in a "peaceful" protest.
Nobody deserves to be in the Garda and have people on videos calling for them to be killed.
Nobody deserves to be in the Garda and to be threatened with a machete, no matter what excuse of mental illness.

All of these things happened. There are investigations into the first two - there should be investigations into them all. While nobody deserves any of them, they are sometimes justified by the circumstances. There will be no hiding-place for the garda if he is found to be wrong - he will face suspension, maybe dismissal, and criminal charges. However, for all those others, what sanctions do they face?

There's obviously some social class differences within the black community in the area if one video I saw was anything to go by. A particularly
well dressed black man was on the escalator in Blanch shopping centre looking absolutely stunned by the goings-on around him, obviously having little in common with the other people who happen to share his skin colour.

Lumen

corks finest wrote: »

Does it matter? Intent was there

Yes, facts do absolutely matter. That should not be a controversial statement.

donaghs

Donald Trump wrote: »

Nigerian government should probably focus on their own internal issues. There are a lot of Nigerians in Ireland and most (obviously not all) of them are here because they came here fleeing for their lives from persecution from their home country*.



Those people would likely not be alive today if Ireland had not offered them shelter. Because Ireland was obviously their one and only option for safety. Their own government would not, or could not, protect them. So they can fuck off now trying to feign some concern. If they had cared more 20-odd years ago then the deceased might be living happy and carefree in Abuja or Lagos. Away from the evil Irish and their oppressive regime.



So I think Micheal should be making a statement to this effect in response tot he Nigerian government

Recent crowd control in Nigeria, crowd protesting police brutality, police/army open fire on crowd with assault rifles.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lekki_massacre

Hoboo

MontgomeryClift wrote: »

A Jamaican living in Dublin speaks out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-k1AdFnLbc

He's about as Jamaican as Matress Mick.

TheChizler

blanch152 wrote: »

All of these things happened. There are investigations into the first two - there should be investigations into them all. While nobody deserves any of them, they are sometimes justified by the circumstances. There will be no hiding-place for the garda if he is found to be wrong - he will face suspension, maybe dismissal, and criminal charges. However, for all those others, what sanctions do they face?

I don't know, my comment had nothing to do with any of those things, they're important but not seeing the relevance to what I posted.

kowloon

MontgomeryClift wrote: »

A Jamaican living in Dublin speaks out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-k1AdFnLbc

Half the runtime of that video is the guy saying "You understand?".

Idbatterim

JeffKenna wrote: »

Let's see what the media report over the next few weeks. My bet is that this will be left die down and in a few weeks we'll have a piece on prime time addressing how the state has failed these individuals and what a hard life they have.

I hope they then do a piece on the hard life they would have back in Africa. Rte are a cancer !

corks finest

Hoboo wrote: »

He's about as Jamaican as Matress Mick.

Drivelllllllllllll

ElJeffe

MontgomeryClift wrote: »

A Jamaican living in Dublin speaks out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-k1AdFnLbc

Scum. Simple as that.

Hoboo

Hoboo wrote: »

He's about as Jamaican as Matress Mick.

There's a strange twang of Rathkeale off the accent aswell.

conorhal

Lumen wrote: »

This is an understandable position but I think you're suffering from some confirmation bias. You'll always read on the news about the scumbag with 300 convictions but never about the kids that get into some trouble in their mid-late teens and then sort themselves out. It does happen, a lot, but nobody hears about it for a couple of reasons, not least that these kids have moved on with their lives and don't want to go blabbing about their former scummy behaviour.

It's totally sh!t that ordinary people have to suffer from the chaos bubble these kids drag around with them whilst they're growing out if the scummy phase, but I honestly don't think that harsher policing is the answer. We'd just end up with a massive prison population and a lot of hard criminals.

What's needed is an open mind and the will to find genuine solutions, but also a recognition that there will always be scumbags in a free society. There are several places (e.g. Singapore) where you can live crime free, but personally I value freedom and diversity more than absolute safety and state executions.

And for the avoidance of doubt, I have absolutely zero sympathy for anyone that commits violent crime.

There used to be ways local thugs got dealt with by the community that was corrective, without the law getting involved or anybody ending up with a criminal conviction.
Back in the 80s I was playing with cousins in a back field behind their house an we got beat up by a bunch of older boys in a completely unprovoked attack. My cousin managed to do a runner and raised some help.
While they kicked, punched and stalked a 10yr old trying to get away from them, they didn't notice that the worm was about to turn.
I remember the relief as my dads car came at speed across the field tearing up turf and him and my uncle hopping out like Starskey and Hutch to apply a corrective boot the the ass of the local asbo brigade.
I can't even imagine how much troubled my dad would be in today for this. You are hamstrung in your right to defend yourself and the people that you are supposed to rely on to defend you are absent, or wose, stand by and refuse to protect you because its politically inconvenient.

Polar101

Pint of Stout wrote: »

“Finally, I am asking the community not to share any videos or websites that are attempting to increase tensions in our community. They must not succeed with their racist agenda.”

Decent until the last paragraph, what racist websites? Why not share the video, because it absolves Gardai of anything wrong?

Do you not think sharing videos like the "brother's speech" or the one where the mob attacks the woman in front of the Circle K will increase tensions?

Also, Paul Donnelly doesn't mention racist websites.

Skyrimaddict

Pint of Stout wrote: »

Paul Donnelly TD calls for calm following protests in Dublin West
1 January, 2021 - by Paul Donnelly TD

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Sinn Féin TD for Dublin West Paul Donnelly has expressed his condolences following the tragic death of George Nkencho and appealed for calm.

Teachta Donnelly said: "I want to extend my condolences to the family of George Nkencho. This is a desperately sad time for his family, friends and community.

“My thoughts are also with the workers in SuperValu, including an employee who was hospitalised following the incident, as well as emergency services at the scene who have also had a very traumatic experience.

“I am calling on all community leaders in Dublin West to appeal for calm and to allow the GSOC to establish the facts in relation to the entire incident.

“While I understand that emotions are high, there is no excuse for some of the scenes that we witnessed in the Blanchardstown shopping centre and Hatstown shopping centre where people were verbally abused, physically assaulted and threatened by sections of the protestors.

“There are also videos of individuals at a public protest openly threatening Gardaí and in particular the Gardaí involved in the incident. These threats are to be utterly condemned. People are entitled to protest but where protests become intimidating or contain threatening behaviour that is inexcusable.

“It is vital that the facts are established and GSOC must be given the time to fully investigate the entire incident. If there are further questions that need to be asked at that time, I will give my commitment to the community to follow them through.

“I am again calling on the community to send any information or video footage they may have of the incident to the Gardaí and GSOC.

“Finally, I am asking the community not to share any videos or websites that are attempting to increase tensions in our community. They must not succeed with their racist agenda.”


Decent until the last paragraph, what racist websites? Why not share the video, because it absolves Gardai of anything wrong?

If there was anything in this the same types would be posting the video everywhere. He had a machete and attacked armed Gardai FFS

From reading the last line, I think he referring to the BLM crew not using it as a racial motive.
Black people can be very rasicst to white people too.

Annasopra

Kimbot wrote: »

Well in fairness the facts are there for everyone to see

1: this man robbed a shop and attacked a man with a machete.
2: guards were called and tried to settle the situation
3: when the guards couldn't resolve it they called a specialist team who escalated up to lethal force
4: the man who had the machete is dead and now not so peaceful protests are been conducted in the local area intimidating and attacking innocent bystanders.

Those are the facts of the situation and our national broadcaster are a shambles at reporting it as what it is and that is blatant thuggery.

I havent seen anything verified anywhere as a "fact" that he had a machete

Annasopra

Kimbot wrote: »

Will you go away out of that, are you now trying to say that a man didn't get his face slashed by the little runt...... Its all over all the reports the man was hospitalised with a slashed face and I have seen the photos of the damage. George hardly went to the spar armed with a weapon just for a laugh.

What are you talking about? The fake images of the Millwall fan?

gw80

kowloon wrote: »

Half the runtime of that video is the guy saying "You understand?".

Can we set up a go fund me page for him to get the money together to buy him plane ticket out of this racist little island, l would be first to donate