George Nkencho shooting *Mod warning Added to OP*

Kimbot

Lumen wrote: »

I have made no such argument. I simply said that carrying a machete was technically indefensible, whereas carrying a large knife was not.

Look, this particular rabbit hole started because Kevin Irving asked what the difference was in law between a large knife and a machete, which I answered with a legal reference, so I'll leave it here.

Carrying a large knife is still illegal.

freshpopcorn

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

Anti racism ads for ihrec.ie running on one of the Channel 4's this afternoon. Haven't seen that before.

First time I saw them was on the RTÉ player on New Years Eve.

strandroad

strandroad wrote: »

It really is. Machetes are used as garden tools by the way, would any solicitor honestly raise this in defence?

Well, judge what happened was:

He went down to the spar to do a bit of pruning for them, but when it came time to pay there was a bit of an argument. Sure, it looked like a “robbery”, but really it was just an upstanding citizen collecting his fair wage. That security guard by the way did that to himself, the tapes prove it, but he burned the tapes so you may just believe me. So what this boils down to, Garda is that he was shot for being a mentally ill, black gentleman when all he was trying to do was give the Garda a quick shave for some extra credit on his barber exam.

I rest my case.

Acosta

When those white supremacists are writing tweets that people have regularly been posting here, whether it was or not, a machete was always going to sound better.

whisky_galore

Guerillabear wrote: »

Why on Earth should we risk a garda dog getting injured or killed trying to subdue this man? The dog has at least been serving a purpose on this country

I could see a few right-on vegan heads exploding in that scenario.

Lumen

Kimbot wrote: »

Carrying a large knife is still illegal.

Not by definition. It depends on the circumstances.

Contrary to what some have posted, whilst a machete could be useful in gardening, it is still an offensive weapon in law and so you'd be an idiot to own one even as a gardener.

Do the trainee chefs in Cathal Brugha St. Still carry their knifes around?

This could be a terrible misunderstanding

Kimbot

Lumen wrote: »

Not by definition. It depends on the circumstances.

Contrary to what some have posted, whilst a machete could be useful in gardening, it is still an offensive weapon in law and so you'd be an idiot to own one even as a gardener.

Did you read the last link I posted?

TomTomTim

Acosta wrote: »

When those white supremacists are writing tweets that people have regularly been posting here, whether it was or not, a machete was always going to sound better.

Do you have any proof that the origins of machete narrative are from "white supremacists"? I'm assuming not knowing your history.

JeffKenna

TomTomTim wrote: »

Do you have any proof that the origins of machete narrative are from "white supremacists"? I'm assuming not knowing your history.

Don't feed it

Acosta

Acosta wrote: »

When those white supremacists are writing tweets that people have regularly been posting here, whether it was or not, a machete was always going to sound better.

Because that's the problem here.

Far right supremacists calling a long blade swung at a Garda a "machete", in the absence of facts v. chap swinging a blade at Gardai, getting clipped, and sundry people and vested interests making it a race issue.

hynesie08

hynesie08 wrote: »

Stanley blade or Swiss army knife would both be relatively commonplace in work trousers, but you'd be hard pressed to explain having them in a pair of shorts.

Especially if you can't get a job because I is black or such nonsense.

I've a leatherman and other tools in my car for work.

BattleCorp

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

Do the trainee chefs in Cathal Brugha St. Still carry their knifes around?

This could be a terrible misunderstanding

They generally don't assault shop managers and attack Gardai with them though.

nullzero

Acosta wrote: »

When those white supremacists are writing tweets that people have regularly been posting here, whether it was or not, a machete was always going to sound better.

Evidence of the white supremacist angle please...

Lumen

Kimbot wrote: »

Did you read the last link I posted?

Yes. It doesn't conflict with what I've posted.

JeffKenna

BattleCorp wrote: »

They generally don't assault shop managers and attack Gardai with them though.

Come on now, the shop managers face got in the way of his fist. That was not assault.


Edit - no offense intended to the guy who was assaulted, I donated to his go fund me yesterday.

nullzero

Lumen wrote: »

Yes. It doesn't conflict with what I've posted.

To quote your earlier post; "Quote: Lumen
I have made no such argument. I simply said that carrying a machete was technically indefensible, whereas carrying a large knife was not."

To quote the first paragraph of the link provided;"Knife Law Ireland
Remember you cannot carry a knife in public without a valid reason and this is strictly enforced by An Garda Síochána"

Need I continue?

Akesh

Lumen wrote: »

Not by definition. It depends on the circumstances.

Contrary to what some have posted, whilst a machete could be useful in gardening, it is still an offensive weapon in law and so you'd be an idiot to own one even as a gardener.

Why are people engaging in a strawman argument with Lumen?

You can carry a knife if you are going hunting, fishing etc.

The guy that was killed carried a knife into a shop, assaulted someone in a racially motivated attack and was out on bail for assaulting an old woman.

Stop making excuses to justify your support for a scumbag.

Cilldara_2000

Skyrimaddict wrote: »

Love how virgin media news just now had no mention of these protests at all.

I'm fecking sick of being white in ireland, we get the ****e stick of everything and if anyone says anything about it we are racists.

Being a white male who earns good money means I need to apologise for this and guilty if I don't agree with thugs like this.

I’m a white male in Ireland who earns good money. I don’t apologise for anything other than my own errors. If you do you’re a fool. Only headbangers would try to force you to apologise for someone else’s crimes. You’d be better off not listening to them.

Kimbot

Lumen wrote: »

Yes. It doesn't conflict with what I've posted.

Have a read here:

http://www.bushcraft.ie/index.php/articles/58-knives-and-the-law#:~:text=But%20the%20simple%20fact%20of,with%20a%20blade%20on%20it.

Lumen

nullzero wrote: »

To quote your earlier post; "Quote: Lumen
I have made no such argument. I simply said that carrying a machete was technically indefensible, whereas carrying a large knife was not."

To quote the first paragraph of the link provided;"Knife Law Ireland

Remember you cannot carry a knife in public without a valid reason and this is strictly enforced by An Garda Síochána"

Need I continue?

Again, there is no conflict here.

I wrote that carrying a large knife is not indefensible, because there is a defence to it. That's what defensible means.

The defence is having a reason.

Kimbot

nullzero wrote: »

To quote your earlier post; "Quote: Lumen
I have made no such argument. I simply said that carrying a machete was technically indefensible, whereas carrying a large knife was not."

To quote the first paragraph of the link provided;"Knife Law Ireland
Remember you cannot carry a knife in public without a valid reason and this is strictly enforced by An Garda Síochána"

Need I continue?

No point arguing as it doesn't suit their narrative.

givyjoe

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

Because that's the problem here.

Far right supremacists calling a long blade swung at a Garda a "machete", in the absence of facts v. chap swinging a blade at Gardai, getting clipped, and sundry people and vested interests making it a race issue.

What exactly might this 'long blade' be? A long blade is a clearly a very dangerous weapon, regardless of whether it's an actual machete or not.

Bizarre post that people are assuming this Extreme large knife/blade to be a machete, are white supremacists.. this bizarre twist would seem to indicate a few vested interests in your own posts.

Akesh

Lumen wrote: »

Again, there is no conflict here.

I wrote that carrying a large knife is not indefensible, because there is a defence to it. That's what defensible means.

The defence is having a reason.

Scraping the bottom of the barrell. Desperate attempt. You should be ashamed of yourself.

oldtimeyfella

Akesh wrote: »

You can carry a knife if you are going hunting, fishing etc.

.

..... and lovin' every day?

nullzero

Lumen wrote: »

Again, there is no conflict here.

I wrote that carrying a large knife is not indefensible, because there is a defence to it. That's what defensible means.

The defence is having a reason.

What?

You aren't allowed to carry a knife for the reasons George Nkencho was carrying a knife.

You obviously didn't read anything in that link at all.

Then again, you can prove anything with facts I suppose.

Lumen

nullzero wrote: »

What?

You aren't allowed to carry a knife for the reasons George Nkencho was carrying a knife.

You obviously didn't read anything in that link at all.

It hasn't been established what his reasons for carrying the knife were, that's conjecture.

Kimbot

Lumen wrote: »

It hasn't been established what his reasons for carrying the knife were, that's conjecture.

Oh I forgot, George was carrying a knife to butter his toast later in the day.......

Kivaro

It is not surprising how some are weaseling into the thread with their conspiracy theories. So, if you think it's a machete, then you are a racist. If you think that it is a large knife, then maybe not.
That is one way to deflect from the topic I suppose. Focus on the racists. The white racists.

Either way, I'm sure that the net effect of a large knife/machete was the same i.e. horror and fear, which was the reason why the thug brandished it in the first instance.

nullzero

Lumen wrote: »

It hasn't been established what his reasons for carrying the knife were, that's conjecture.

Was he going hunting or fishing? No.

The Gardai made the assessment that he was breaking the law by carrying the knife and informed him of such. That is how he ended up getting shot by the Gardai.

What part of this are you having difficulty understanding?